Rituals Prayers Methods - how to perform
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Dear Athar2022,
You bring nothing new by stating these things. These are things relevant to a living prophet. The God is showing you that the behaviour of believers is important, to a living prophet otherwise you are then merely now visiting a 'conceptual' tomb even though you say you have stopped visiting physical stones and monuments.
Nothing you say or do now can harm someone whose fate is sealed already.
All else is superstition, fanciful desire and grossly astray.
The prophet himself was told in Chapter 28 al-qasas verse 44...
Thou wast not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor wast thou a witness
And yet people wrote tales about the prophet's alleged life story as if they knew him or had witnessed any of it, some centuries afterwards as hearsay. When people say they follow the messenger, they do no such thing if they take their basis as the stories of storytellers from centuries after the prophet's life. The writers become their authority and not The Quran and its Divine author.
The prophet, you and I both are certain about this, lived according to The Quran and followed its Criteria. We can do the same. That's how you follow the messenger. Not by following hearsay.
By heeding The God's instruction through His chosen servants we too can follow the Criteria contained in the examples of The Quran, not by following some distant author who has no more authority than you.
The God is entirely capable of continuing to guide humanity and cannot be stopped or silenced by the desire of sects no matter how numerous they are or how much they say otherwise.
Also so they would not say, if struck by an affliction for what their hands have done “Our Lord! If only You had sent us a messenger, we would have followed Your revelations and become believers.” 2846
This generation will not have that excuse. You do not have that excuse.
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We have sent you... A mercy to the world.
How was he sent? with a message. No message ,no messenger.. The mercy to all is the message for the messenger s generation and it outlives the messenger for all following generations.
Or do you think the prophet is immortal ?
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Here is the context to ponder on these verses A Master psychologist is giving him support and comforting him with his hard task of delivering GOD s message.
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And we unloaded your load (of sins).
وَوَضَعنا عَنكَ وِزرَكَ
One that burdened your back.
الَّذى أَنقَضَ ظَهرَكَ
We exalted you to an honorable position.
وَرَفَعنا لَكَ ذِكرَكَ
With pain there is gain.
فَإِنَّ مَعَ العُسرِ يُسرًا
Indeed, with pain there is gain.
إِنَّ مَعَ العُسرِ يُسرًا
Whenever possible you shall strive.
فَإِذا فَرَغتَ فَانصَب
Seeking only your Lord.
وَإِلىٰ رَبِّكَ فَارغَبA lesson for us all to seek only our Lord and His words.The prophet has done his job, earned his salvation and gone to meet his Lord.
GOD bless you.
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Good Logic, my response was to Truth when he said
Take heed brother and stop the distinction you are placing upon a prophet, one of many, who is just like you and I, a person
Khatim-un-Nabieen S.A.W.W
Rehmat-ul-lil-Aalmeen S.A.W.WUpon whom Almighty Himself and the Angels send Salam and we have been commanded to send Salams in abundance.
You guys sound like you have been paid to do this, I'm sorry but plain meanings of verses are being twisted.
You tell me, my Brother, what does "Atee-Allah-wa-Atee-ur-Rasul" translate to?
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Peace brother.
So you are reflecting but accepting understanding that does not make sense?How are the Almighty and the Angels sending Salam to the prophet when he is gone? In that case GOD and His Angels are also sending salam to the believers that have been and gone. Why don t you say to your fellow believer salla allahu alaika as well? Because according to you it is an order GOD and His Angels yusaalu on the believers as well according to Qoran!
Anyway if what I am asking and saying to you is a challenge and you are evading it, feel free to believe what you want.
Give me the verse for this question you ask
"You tell me, my Brother, what does "Atee-Allah-wa-Atee-ur-Rasul" translate to?"
GOD bless you.
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Let us both agree not to debate 'trinity' concepts by avoiding those terms also and stick to the testimony of the faith that the prophet of The Quran and the believers are stated to have held. The God is my witness that I hold onto the position as defined by The Quran in this respect…
...'la nuferiqu beyne ehadin min rusulih'... 2285 (part)
I make no distinction between the messengers. I don't just pay lip service to this requirement of a believer. I truly believe that they are all messengers with no distinction or favouritism heaped on any one of them.
How about you? Do you translate that phrase differently and thereby find support for your position of overwhelmingly venerating someone who has passed away in it?
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قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١)
Say, If you should love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love the disbelievers.and here is the one, this is Quran too, why do you take some and leave the rest ?
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا (٢١)
There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah profusely.By the way it was Friday today, how do you guys give the call for Salat ?
And how do you perform it ?
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Here is some more refection for you brother about masjids and prayers
إِنَّما يَعمُرُ مَسٰجِدَ اللَّهِ مَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَأَقامَ الصَّلوٰةَ وَءاتَى الزَّكوٰةَ وَلَم يَخشَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ فَعَسىٰ أُولٰئِكَ أَن يَكونوا مِنَ المُهتَدينَ
أَجَعَلتُم سِقايَةَ الحاجِّ وَعِمارَةَ المَسجِدِ الحَرامِ كَمَن ءامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَجٰهَدَ فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ لا يَستَوۥنَ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَ
الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَهاجَروا وَجٰهَدوا فى سَبيلِ اللَّهِ بِأَموٰلِهِم وَأَنفُسِهِم أَعظَمُ دَرَجَةً عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الفائِزونَ
I will translate these last two verses for you
وَالَّذينَ اتَّخَذوا مَسجِدًا ضِرارًا وَكُفرًا وَتَفريقًا بَينَ المُؤمِنينَ وَإِرصادًا لِمَن حارَبَ اللَّهَ وَرَسولَهُ مِن قَبلُ وَلَيَحلِفُنَّ إِن أَرَدنا إِلَّا الحُسنىٰ وَاللَّهُ يَشهَدُ إِنَّهُم لَكٰذِبونَ
There are those who abuse the masjid by practicing idol worship, dividing the believers, and providing comfort to those who oppose God and His messenger. They solemnly swear "Our intentions are honorable!" God bears witness that they are liars.لا تَقُم فيهِ أَبَدًا لَمَسجِدٌ أُسِّسَ عَلَى التَّقوىٰ مِن أَوَّلِ يَومٍ أَحَقُّ أَن تَقومَ فيهِ فيهِ رِجالٌ يُحِبّونَ أَن يَتَطَهَّروا وَاللَّهُ يُحِبُّ المُطَّهِّرينَ
You shall never pray in such a masjid. A masjid that is established on the basis of righteousness from the first day is more worthy of your praying therein. In it, there are people who love to be purified. God loves those who purify themselves.Any masjid where the practices are not devoted absolutely to God ALONE belongs to Satan, not God. For example, mentioning the names of Abraham, Muhammad, and/or Ali in the Azan and/or the Salat prayers violates God's commandments in 2136, 2285, 384, & 7218. Unfortunately, this is a common idolatrous practice throughout the corrupted Muslim world.
GOD bless you.
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We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !
And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?
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Salaam Athar 2022
Walikum Salam Still Learning,
- Quran was deliveres by Jibreel (A.S) to Rasul-Allah (S.A.W.W)
- It is Allah who has given us the Quran, I or you cannot be the Judge.
You did not answer my point 2. I assume everything Jibreel delivered was documented as the Quran. Therefore as the prayer is not documented in the Quran. Where do you think the Prophet learned the alleged method of prayer.
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Still Learning,
At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer isQuran 3321
IIndeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah often. -
Peace Athar2022,
We Muslims pray to Allah alone, the One and Only.
We bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger and Servant of Allah.
We stand in front of Allah Alone, we do the Ruku in front of Him and we do the Sujood to Him Alone.
We take our hands up and make dua to Him Alone.
Where did you see Idol worship?? or, Prophet's Worship?? I am amazed at the level of your ignorance, come to my Masjid, pray with me, listen to each and every word, I challenge you if you are Muslim enough !Yes, very good brother. No worship.
Why do people have to fight over details about the salat or call each other "disbelievers" ?
The essentials have been said (and present into the Quran) prayer, dua, bowing, prostration, Quran, praise and of course Allah alone.
And brother if I could go to your masjid then yes I would surely pray like you; even if maybe in the details at home I don't do like you. -
Salaam
At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.
& its documented where
Now my counter question is, Allah has ordered "Aqeem-us-Salat" at various places in the Quran, how do you establish your prayer?
The answer isI pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayers (
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At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night.
Apologies I wanted also to ask, so before then muslims had no method of prayer?
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where do you get this from in Qoran? Quote
"At Isra, the Journey of the Prophet at night."Or have you got this from hadith?
Your assumptions contradict qoran
An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith other than the Quran can be used for religious law.
An implication that God is wrong in teaching us in the Quran, that all the rituals of Islam, including Salat were given to Abraham.
Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for the religion of Islam.The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW.
Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham.Quran teaches us in no uncertain terms that Abraham is the founder of Islam as it is practiced today. As such, what did Abraham contribute to our daily life as Muslims?
You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter.Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammad), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers.
Then we inspired you (O Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper.
Proof the salat existed before Muhammed
(O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow.
Quran 343] O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down.(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live.
And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Athar2022,
Yes, very good brother. No worship.
Why do people have to fight over details about the salat or call each other "disbelievers" ?
The essentials have been said (and present into the Quran) prayer, dua, bowing, prostration, Quran, praise and of course Allah alone.
And brother if I could go to your masjid then yes I would surely pray like you; even if maybe in the details at home I don't do like you.You don't have to pray like me, a friend at my Masjid is a Shia and he stands side by side with me in congregation, Alhumdulillah.
The differences are minor, such minor differences won't make people of understanding leave the rope of Almighty, Insha-Allah.
Sometimes I go there in Shia Masjid and offer my Salat, I'll try to go there again, maybe today, Insha-Allah.Our Qiyam, our Ruku, our Sajdah, our Dua, are to 1 Allah, We Worship 1 Allah.
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Salaam
& its documented where
I pray every where, including a masjid like probably like you, when driving, watching sport (especially so) but seems more often than not the other side are much better with their prayersThe Life of the Prophet (S.A.W.W) is very well documented, in very detail, the command on following the example of the Prophet(S.A.W.W) is from Allah Himself.
And what is the other side?
And it is lovely to know that you go to the Masjid, Masha-Allah.
Quran 1033
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. -
OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.
And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?
And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?
From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.
But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran
Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?
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Peace,
Before I answer your questions, let us agree that prophet Ibrahim never uttered the words you now do in your prayers.
Let us acknowledge that he did not recite any words in Arabic, nor did he ever send blessings on another prophet in any other language.
This should be as crystal clear to you, as it is to me.
What he did do was admonish his father and others who were idolaters. They had 'carved' their idols into existence with their own hands and minds, and today's 'Mohammedans' are the followers of earlier ones who 'carved' his imagined personality and conception into the idol they worship today in association with The God.
Ibrahim smashed the idols. You can do the same. Destroy the idols which your forefathers have placed upon you and worship The God alone without associating ANYTHING OR ANYONE including men who He chose as prophets and messengers. They have no power to benefit or harm you. Do you still not see how you completely defy The God and the simplicity of rejecting ALL idol worship.
You would be the first to recognise the idolisation of the narrative Jesus by billions, and yet are blind to the idolisation of a later prophet by a billion others including yourself.
So to your questions
How do 'we' pray. We pray the way that we pray. There is no single proper or fixed way. Everyone who acknowledges that The God is The Witness, understands the need to establish a periodic connection to The God by supplication, contemplation, sitting, standing or lying on their sides.
If you believe that having your feet a certain distance apart, or folding your arms or leaving them by your side, raising an index finger or standing a foot up with toes hyperextended is necessary to fulfil this then no one else can object to what you CHOOSE to do.
The form of your connection should not ever take precedence over the purpose of it. So choose a way sincerely and do it the way The God instructs you to do it. You don't need others to coach you specifically on it. Be sincere and do it according to your understanding.
But how about 'communal prayer' you ask. Communal prayer is an innovation for political purposes to establish control and obedience of mindless 'ummiyun' to unauthorised priesthoods of various flavours.
The 'call to prayer' is the one issued by The God to the sincere. The God guides whomever He wills to establish the connection. That is the call. Not an Arabic composition played ad infinitum on public announcement loudspeakers that interferes with the peace of people of differing ways and faiths who are assured that there is NO COMPULSION to follow the way you do. 'To you your way and to me mine' as The Quran mentions clearly.
The peace of communities must be maintained without annoyances. You might think of it as a desirable thing and not an annoyance but it has no place in the modern world where everyone has the equivalent of an atomic clock timekeeper in their mobile phones and any number of other devices that can be set to remind them if they require it.
OK this concludes to we have to follow Prophet Ibrahim (A.S) on how to pray.
And how to pray is "detailed" in the Quran, Only?
And Our Prophet(S.A.W.W), the Last Prophet ever, will not show us practically on how to Establish the Salah?
From Adam (A.S) to all the Prophets, ending at our Prophet (S.A.W) all of them were Muslim, Alhumdulillah, that is the Belief of us Muslims, whoever reads the Quran, Knows it.
But we are the Ummah of the Last Prophet(S.A.W) and Allah Orders in the Quran
Quran 3321
لَّقَدۡ كَانَ لَكُمۡ فِى رَسُولِ ٱللَّهِ أُسۡوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ۬ لِّمَن كَانَ يَرۡجُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلۡيَوۡمَ ٱلۡأَخِرَ وَذَكَرَ ٱللَّهَ كَثِيرً۬ا
"There is indeed a good model for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much."Quran 331-32
قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِى يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬ (٣١) قُلۡ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَٱلرَّسُولَۖ فَإِن تَوَلَّوۡاْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلۡكَـٰفِرِينَ (٣٢)
Say “If you really love Allah, then follow me, and Allah shall love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Most-Forgiving, Very-Merciful.”
Say “Obey Allah and the Messenger.” Then, should they turn back, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”And my question remains UNANSWERED. How do you guys Establish your Salat, How do you give the Call for Prayer ?
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There is some agreement, but let us also use our common sense.
The call for prayer is not mandatory ,it is done for the purpose of congregating together /congregational prayer. Or do you call yourself for every prayer when you pray?
Qoran has detailed the salat windows /timing .
Do you use common sense when living in the 24 hour sun day country or in space -astronaut- or has the prophet left you timing you follow for that?Does one believe GOD s every word of the 114 chapters? then only GOD Alone should be mentioned for the salat-contact prayer.. Yet different sects innovate and add other names with GOD in the salat.and in Azaans.
How about- Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times
(2) Laa Elaaha Ellah Allah (There is no other god beside God), once.
If you count the total number of "Allahu Akbars" in the Azaan for 5 daily Contact Prayers (5x4 = 20) and add it to the total count of Allahu Akbars said in the 5 Contact Prayers themselves (94), the total comes to 114.
Or is that not measured enough for you.?
Calling to the salat is calling to GOD s contact prayer. .As long as it is standardised and does not mention any other entity beside GOD it does the job.
Don t we complicate the deen enough!I will stop here. A lot to reflect on or ignore.
You are free to choose your own religion brother.
Thanks for the conversation.
GOD bless you.
Peace. - Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times