The Universe
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Peace,
As do I not mind what you believe but that is not the point here.
The point is that one must have a logical reason as to why they believe the things they do. I am not disputing the 400 times the size and distance facts. I accept them as scientifically discovered facts and in agreement with all observations, just like I accept that I can repeat the experiment of Eratosthenes who calculated the circumference of the round earth based on the shadows cast by sunlight at solar noon at different points on the earth at equivalent times.
The epistemological basis for the knowledge that you believe in is not consistent based on what I understand of your understanding of a 'stationary earth' (which I think you believe is flat). Maybe you have not presented your view clearly enough. What I am pointing out is that the same source of knowledge for the fact that the sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the moon, which is the reason the moon can eclipse the sun; is the same source of knowledge which confirms scientifically that the earth is round and orbits around the sun while spinning on its own axis.
A solar eclipse is thus a manifestation of these scientific truths because their occurrence can be calculated based on the heliocentric model of the solar system. Does your belief system have a means to predict or calculate such things?
peace again..
quite strange... I don't mind what you believe ... it is between you and your Lord.. thing is whether God accept or not or God created what you say or not...anyway dude.. If Sun is not 400 times bigger than Moon and not 93 million miles away from us or for that matter from Moon, HOW ACCORDING TO SCIENCE FULL SOLAR ECLIPSE DO OCCUR? either believe in science or believe in Quran fully... taking from both partially won't work out... don't feel bad for what i say... but that's what i get from your reply...
thank you.. God guide us.. -
Peace,
As do I not mind what you believe but that is not the point here.
The point is that one must have a logical reason as to why they believe the things they do. I am not disputing the 400 times the size and distance facts. I accept them as scientifically discovered facts and in agreement with all observations, just like I accept that I can repeat the experiment of Eratosthenes who calculated the circumference of the round earth based on the shadows cast by sunlight at solar noon at different points on the earth at equivalent times.
The epistemological basis for the knowledge that you believe in is not consistent based on what I understand of your understanding of a 'stationary earth' (which I think you believe is flat). Maybe you have not presented your view clearly enough. What I am pointing out is that the same source of knowledge for the fact that the sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the moon, which is the reason the moon can eclipse the sun; is the same source of knowledge which confirms scientifically that the earth is round and orbits around the sun while spinning on its own axis.
A solar eclipse is thus a manifestation of these scientific truths because their occurrence can be calculated based on the heliocentric model of the solar system. Does your belief system have a means to predict or calculate such things?
peace...
it is okay dude... coz that's what you believe and you feel that what science says is not contrary to what quran states..
Yes i may not have the knowledge of what Scientist say about the earth and heaven or even for that matter as you say about eclipses, but the verses of Quran not support unfortunately, otherwise i would have accepted the heliocentric model while i was studying in college..that's why long before i opened a thread saying "width of heaven and width of earth, are they equal"...
Anyway keep researching ...
God bless you -
10 101 Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe
2108 “…. . .. And whoever exchanges disbelief for belief has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way.
The Heliocentric person and the one who opposes both observe what is in the Heavens and Earth… But what the former observes is what is taught for him and the later observes against to what was taught to him.. So clear disparity …. And the verse continues.. For whom even after observing the heavens and Earth it will be of no avail?… So SIGNS and warnings to a people who do not believe is fruitless and immaterial.. Now who is that who doesn’t believe? Is it Heliocentric group or opposition? God knows best…
Look at the other verse”2108.. Those who exchanges Disbelief with Belief… So… We disbelieve in what you believe and you disbelieve in what we believe.. so strayed from the soundness of the way..
Yes common for both parties… But we don’t say about the unseen as if seen and convinced, but Heliocentric believers believe what is never seen and accept as truth.. We only say it is not possible.. and we argue against it with logic… but they mock, coz science has accepted it.... thank you..
So.. one of the parties exchanged the disbelief with belief and the signs they observe in the heavens and earth is not real signs but assumptions.. One of the parties of two definitely a disbeliever in the real creation of God..
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Dear jkhan; peace be upon you.
The reason I raised the issue of calculation of eclipses is that roundness, orbiting, periodicity are things that we both experience and that we can thereby calculate by.
Verse 555
'The sun and the moon, calculation'Remember that this is in the context of Al-Rahman, The All Capable being The Teacher. We develop from language to calculation. We can through understanding how to calculate, now know something about how the concept of prophecy is able to be constructed in an eternal and universal way through numerical evaluation. By being able to label all the concepts that define our time and other points in time, and using the discovered formulas we can calculate past and future celestial events such as eclipses with great accuracy.
The stationary flat earth of experience is unable to move beyond its static state because it is a limited world view. Calculations in this world state are either not possible or not straightforward or elegant; and do not accord with visible or observable evidence of sphericity (such as the photobombing of astro-pictures by man made satellite streaks that reflect sunlight like the moon does), in a flat plane earth model.
Because of this prophecy of calculability and its importance in science for establishing truth we must understand that The God teaches all humanity. His favour extends to whomever He wills and He is All Capable. Not an atomic particle nor field escapes His awareness.
The manifestation in our era of copious numerical miracles that have been increasingly uncovered in Koran metrics is truly astonishing also in this respect. So think and contemplate that 555 shows that calculation of celestial periods and ratios like the Metonic cycle are prophesied as Signs in the universe that we can verify observationally and using instruments. The God is fully aware of all that we do.
The human is created after The God Teaches The Quran that is manifest to us as the shared world 'interface' that we experience. The human is then taught eloquence and explication through this experiential interface that The God has mercifully provided us with. Humanity first learns to articulate and then to calculate and recognise patterns in this interface. At the appointed time, the miracle of The Nineteen Sign is uncovered in a provably ancient text called The Koran and this leads to it being explained in ways that it has not been previously.
It is truly one of the Great Signs that humanity has been taught.