Why does it feel like the bad guys always win
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whats winning in this world? to amass great wealth and many slaves to work under? it looks to you that bad guys win, but nothing is without an effect, we all seek what we lack with the resources we are blessed with, in the process we loose many and gain many, so the best thing is to thank for what ultimately gives us the peace of mind be it wealth, health or knowledge etc.
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No, you're the one making/mixed it up, my friend. Just like other good people, Solomon and David were given individual riches and were told to keep or share these blessings
Holy Quran
3839 "This is Our gift, so you may spend or withhold, without any repercussions."
The full literal translation of this verse says for Solomon, "Whether you share it or hold it, you are free."
These individual blessings are mentioned in many other verses. Wealth not for the all people, but only for these people. But of course, their wealth will be for the good of the whole country and even the whole world. Because halal wealth not only benefits others while being gained, but also the way those good people use their wealth will benefit the whole world.
Please stop slandering the Quran and the good rich.
By the way, I see that you brought up the false statement in the Bible that says that the rich cannot enter heaven unless the camel goes through the eye of a needle. Exactly the move I've been waiting for from you.
The holy Quran corrects this statement in the false Bible and gives you the true version of the verse. Not the rich, but the wicked deniers will not be able to enter Paradise unless the camel goes through the eye of a needle
Holy Quran
740 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.
And so the holy Quran corrects one more mistake of the false Bible. Not the rich, but the unbelieving wicked will go to hell.
Already, Pagan communist elements were added to the false Bible, from pagans like the Essenes.
Without savings and wealth, you would be nothing but a longing for the two dollars the state would give you. By the way, let me point out right away that I'm a middle-class person, don't think I'm telling you all this because of my own situation. I am presenting the truth in an impartial way.
And again no, I did not prove it to myself in my writings. I showed these truths, which the Qur'an clearly states, to many people, and I helped many people to be enlightened on this issue.
You're the one who's raging here bro. You haven't gotten rid of the communist pantheist philosophy of the devil.
Peace
Also, it is best for you to become a trillionaire so that the power in the world is in the hands of the good and the Muslims, not the bad ones. muslims deprived the wealth and luxury with pagan communist teachings, and certain anti-Muslim powers took the power/wealth into their own hands in the world. For that reason alone too, Muslims and good people should be trillionaires.
Peace
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Also, it is best for you to become a trillionaire so that the power in the world is in the hands of the good and the Muslims, not the bad ones. muslims deprived the wealth and luxury with pagan communist teachings, and certain anti-Muslim powers took the power/wealth into their own hands in the world. For that reason alone too, Muslims and good people should be trillionaires.
Peace
By the way, the holy Quran does not say to share more than you need, it says to share more than you need as much as you want as zakat.
And even when spending for others, never spend too much, don't lose your wealth, says the Qur'an. In short, the situation is the exact opposite of what the communists claim. It is forbidden to destroy your wealth by scattering your wealth.
1729 Do not make your hand stingy by holding it to your neck, nor shall you make it fully open so you become in despair and regret.
The holy Quran encourages capital accumulation and wealth.
And wealth does not prevent people from doing good and remembering Allah. On the contrary, it encourages more kindness and remembrance. On the other hand, poverty and troubles encourage people to rebel, evil and deviation more. But of course a person is either good or bad. If he is good, both wealth and poverty cause his own goodness to be revealed. If he is bad person, both wealth and poverty cause his own baddass to be revealed.
And even for this reason alone, the good/Muslims should be trillionaires. It is for their own good, and for the good of all the peoples of the world, that they become trillionaires.
Good people/Muslims must have power and wealth.
Peace
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A point worth noting is that a reason why some people were able to acquire a lot of wealth is because of the benefit they bring to a large number of people with their products and services. For example, Microsoft was founded by Bill Gates which still runs about 75% of laptops and desktop computers worldwide
https//gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-202205-202205-bar
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Peace Emre.
According to you Qoran describes "profit Solomon"
For me it describes "prophet Solomon".
So no more to say to you.
Keep up your study of Qoran.I wish you lots of profit in Taqwa.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
You do not understand the message of the Quran, my friend.
Because the pantheist communist philosophy I mentioned has captured your mind.
Prophets are the biggest profiteers.
They are the richest people, both materially and spiritually, and are an example to us.
The holy Quran teaches us what our real and permanent interest is. It teaches the eternal and greatest profit.
Also, as I said, the verses repeatedly say that blessings were given to prophets and other good rich people for them only.
But while you see the verse you like, you ignore the verses you don't like, and you also distort the meanings of the verses.
Under this page, I will continue to give the verses of the Holy Quran and explain the truth. I hope you keep reading and you can break the chains on this one.
God help you...
Peace
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Peace Emre.
What A shame. That is why democracy now is electing billionaires to appoint other billionaires to fix the system that made them all billionaires!!!May be when Bill Gates donates enough money to charity and loses his billionaire status, we can call him Mill Gates?
However if all your billionaires banded together to buy the universe , they will not be able to . It is too expansive!
Guess who does not want to become a millionaire?- No ,not good logic - A billionaire.
My advice to your billionaires Give your excess to help others and you quickly become a millionaire.
Finally ,may be you will think twice about calling me a communist. I am a lot closer to become a millionaire than your billionaires are.
But I know my Lord is merciful towards all those who turn to Him including billionaires.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
It's the shame of you communists, my friend.
The names you mentioned are pagan communists.
I hope from now on the trillionaires will not come from you/ communists.
We have to change the pagan system and bring the real liberal/capitalist system.
Trillionaires must be Muslims/good people from now on. Power and wealth must now pass into the hands of good people.
Since pagan communists were hostile to good trillionaires like Prophet Solomon, they slandered and vilified them in the false Bible. Fortunately, the Qur'an is preserved and writes the truth.
peace.
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Peace Emre.
I know of better people and richer in spirit blessed by GOD than your billionaires ,trillionaires or even those above that in riches. They are those who are not a prisoner of greed.
These are the rich ,successful Muslims to me according to Qoran. They control their greed and put others -needy, unfortunate and oppressed first.Look at the world around you ? If the billionaires spent their surplus on the needy and helped spread the wealth, they may still stay with more wealth than they need. So they will have few millions, and you say this is not recommended in your Qoran? You must be missing a lot of verses in it?
You are saying I like some verses and dislike others? You mean I dislike verses that support waste and greed? They do not exist in my Qoran.
I do not like some verses and dislike others in my Qoran. I accept all of it.
When will you draw the line of limit to need? Trillions,quadrillions,more?
Enjoy ,never mind common sense or my Qoran. Stick to yours then.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
.Your trillionaires are the pagan communists who run the world today.
Our trillionaires are the prophets David and Solomon, and other good people.
I know you are hostile to David and Solomon. You are raging with anger. But your grudge against Muslims and the good will frustrate you in both worlds, my friend.
You still continue to distort the verses and ignore what you don't like.
God have mercy on you.
peace
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Peace Emre.
Since you know brother, how can anyone tell you different?,quote"I know you are hostile to David and Solomon. You are raging with anger. But your grudge against Muslims and the good will frustrate you in both worlds, my friend."
Me, I do not know anyone s feelings or motives, But i care about you and hope you seek the right path with your Lord. I have your best interest at heart.
David and Solomon were people who have lived before us and gone. They have what they earned and we will have what we earn. How can I be hostile to them even if I tried? They are not with us!!!
I have no issues with them, you or anyone else. GOD has created all of us to worry about our own neck. I am only amicably discussing with you.
Hope that clarifies for you my intentions. Peace with everyone is my aim.
I wish you happiness and a joyous destiny.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
I'm trying for your sake too, and I'm struggling to you get rid of your mistake, my friend. In fact, this issue is so important that it is very important to turn to the right for the good of the whole world.
Because wealth and power should pass into the hands of Muslims/good people, not bad people and pagans. This point is very important to achieve beauty in both universes.
With pagan communist philosophy (especially with the teachings of Sufism and hadith), Muslims were driven away from wealth and power. As a result, this world is turned into hell and you lose your hereafter.
Iblis always uses pagan communist philosophy, Kabbalah, Sufism, Christianity, New Age, Hinduism are all extensions of the same spiritualist teaching.
This spiritual teaching also, allows you to declare haram the good thing. This is exactly what you are doing right now. You are committing a great sin.
There are millions of halal ways to become a trillionaire, I gave you examples of them. Also, trillions can't even buy a big stone/diamond. You are the one who tries to give a great meaning to these trillions and present them as something unattainable. You're the one doing what you're trying to project here. But here you go, pagan communist philosophy has taken over your mind, you look drunk. You have countless thoughts that contradict yourself.
In fact, it is poverty that will cause you to get too immersed in worldly affairs and stay away from worship. In the world, someone who has a living problem has to work like a slave on also Saturdays and Sundays. I guess you think that working conditions all over the world are the same as in northern European countries. No, a person who is not rich is much more concerned with money matters and spends his life on them. In addition, financial difficulties lead people to evil, rebellion against Allah, and perversion. In short, the situation is the opposite of what you said.
I hope you can abandon your misconceptions and slanders about being a trillionaire. You are unwittingly trying to declare something very beautiful, halal and even necessary, haram. You are on the side of evil.
As I said before, I hope you continue to read what I write here. I will continue to give verses on the subject.
I hope that from now on, you will consider all the verses, that is, the whole book, as a whole and evaluate the book without prejudices.
By the way, let me state it again, the verse about sharing says that you can share more than you need, as much as you want. He never says give more than you need. On the contrary, the verses say that you should not destroy your wealth completely. Of course, the verses that say this are in different suras, you have to read the whole Quran in order to see the picture clearly. And please stop the habit of ignoring the verses you don't like, the expressions you don't like.
Pagan/spiritualist communists are hostile to wealth and the rich. That's why they vilified wealth in fake books and the good rich like Solomon (eg in the fake Bible). That is being hostile to David and Solomon and other good people.
The demons want you to be in distress and poverty in both worlds. They also, do not want the power and wealth to be in the hands of the good/Muslims.
Meanwhile, the way of social wealth goes through the formation of individual/personal wealth. Wealth starts with the individual first and then spreads to the whole society. Just as faith first begins in individuals and then spreads to society. Or it is like health starts in some cells and then spreads to the whole body. As soon as you prevent individual/personal wealth, you also prevent social wealth. In a society without the rich and without luxury, there is nothing but misery. And those societies become slaves of other societies.
Peace
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Peace Emre.
I do not agree with you.
Qoran does not ask us to be with the right or left or any man s system. But to be with our Lord s system.
Qoran does not instruct the individual to be selfish or greedy.I am not making haram or halal , I am pointing the instructions in Qoran of being just ,humble ,fair and content with what one needs .
I am not saying one should not own assets and companies, rather one should not fill his own bank balance over the limit at the expense of slave labour, injustice with haram earnings like gambling and competing unfairly,buying out other s at a cheap price to increase wealth for their own greed .Unfortunately you do not see the difference between the wealth for all- Owners , workers and customers- and the wealth for the individual. Or what limit can an individual reach? No limit? What for?
This is the issue.
Actually because the wealth for greed is gained unlawfully ,GOD will not bless it. That is the situations of the world now and its billionaires. Problem after problem. Crash after crash of markets and money values. Cost of living hike and hardship galore for the majority of the populated world.I read some of your writings,and I read GOD s writings. They do not say the same thing to me. Just like hadiths of anyone, including my writings they are our own understanding and interpretations and need to be checked with all Qoran in context.
My advice to anyone is to check all man s understanding against Qoran and get their own understanding that resonate with their instinct,logic and commonsense.GOD GUIDES THE UNDERSTANING OF THE INDIVIDUAL ,NOT OTHERS WRITINGS.
We both have GOD s own words/writings. Then,GOD Alone is the guide for you,me and everyone believing in GDO..
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Emre.
You don't agree with me because as I said, your mind is washed with pagan communist philosophy, that's why you're biased. You're not even reading what I wrote. Likewise, you do not read the verses of the Qur'an completely, you try to see the places you like only.
I say exactly what is written in the Qur'an and prove it over and over with verses. I also offer you to provide it with reason and logic. If you read the Qur'an in its entirety and with an impartial eye, you will be able to see the truth.
Being just and humble brings unlimited wealth. The thing called need is also endless and unlimited. Therefore, life in heaven is eternal, unlimited. There is no such thing as living as much as you need, because the need is endless. But pagan communist philosophy unfortunately taught you the opposite. While he taught you vice as virtue, he showed you virtue as vice. Paganism has displaced good and evil in your mind. He ruined your balance.
And pagan communism made you feel, be rich is wealthy as stealing from the wealth of others. But it's the other way around. If you become halal rich, you will benefit others even while you are making money. So even before you start to spend your wealth for the good of humanity, even before zakat, you start to be useful. Especially with your zakat and other investments, you will increase the wealth of the whole world.
You mentioned people who got rich by hurting others. Likewise, there are those who worship wrong things and worship idols. Does this show that religion and worship are bad things? No, true worship and true religion are wonderful. And the more there are, the better the true devotions.
For this reason alone too, the rich and powerful must be Muslims/good people. If the wealthy and powerful are good people, he will pay his workers very high wages, give his workers long vacations, provide safe working environments, and spend his wealth for the good of the people.
Power and wealth should be in the hands of the good/Muslims. In this way, this world becomes heavenly. In the opposite case, that is, if power and wealth remain in the hands of evil/pagans, this world becomes hellish (just like in the last days). Also, if the power and wealth are in the hands of the good, good will win, but if the power and wealth are in the hands of the evil/pagans, evil will win.
And if you let the power and wealth fall into the hands of the wicked, you are responsible for it, my friend. You will not only lose this world, you will also lose your hereafter.
After all, when people become rich in halal ways, many rich people will emerge. That is, one person does not take the whole world, on the contrary, many wealthy people and segments emerge. Because strong individuals naturally limit each other.
And let me reiterate, it is not greed to live in good health forever, to enter heaven while others are living in hell, to be very faithful and good while others are unbelievers. On the contrary, all these are virtues.
The verses repeatedly say that wealth was given to Solomon and other good rich peoples specifically to them. I gave you one of the verses. Solomon says to the prophet, "Whether you keep these goods for yourself or share them, you are free." If you still ignore the obvious verses, I will understand that you are a tyrant and I will not write any answers.
No, those fortunes were not given for the country or society. Those great fortunes were given only to those persons. Stop telling still pagan communist lies here.
Meanwhile, prophets and all good people are the most profiteers. Those who are altruistic are evil. Evil people destroy both themselves and those around them in the long run, they sacrifice. On the other hand, good people pursue their own and all people's real interests. For example, doing good and keeping one's conscience at peace are among the most formidable and selfish profit.
The holy Quran teaches us what is our true, lasting and eternal interest. The Qur'an teaches us lasting victory. Being a good person is already the greatest profit. Especially if we consider the long-term results, kindness is an unlimited selfishness. You benefit yourself and the whole world. Evil men are stay away from their interests, to perish. Your conscience is in torment, you lose materially and spiritually, and you make those around you lose as well.
Peace
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If we define muslim as one who seeks peace and one seeks god over everything, ie submits completely, there will be only a few, even each one us should be out of muslim mode at many occasions, we only seek to go to in that path.
Wealth is essential, our own welfare is essential and we all seek things for that, but ultimately what we as society learns things from our actions and results, we know money is not everything and everything is temporary, so what is important is we need to learn and reflect in our actions, we strive to be muslims and people without ego.
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Peace all.
I will summarise what I said
1-There is conflicts about how to be both wealthy and morally worthy, living in a world of extreme economic inequality-
GOD tries both sides, rich and poor, according to His knowledge and wisdom. Qoran says keep the balance .2- There has to be a limit to one s personal bank balance Otherwise the scales will be tipped towards greed.and as long as the extreme wealthy can distance themselves from images of “bad” rich people, their entitlement is acceptable. In fact, it is almost as if they are not rich.. Qoran warns about loosing the reality and living in extravagance. Too much wealth corrupts the soul.
3-Aqcuiring wealth to spread it and not monopolise it is advised by Qoran. How much do you need has a limit.
4- People have the choice how to live. I am not judging rich,people for consuming well or badly, working hard or being lazy, giving money away or keeping it, we create distinctions that legitimate the system.
Even negative judgments of individual behaviour reproduce the logic of legitimate entitlement to say someone is inhabiting privilege incorrectly is also to say it is possible to inhabit it correctly.This focus on distinctions among individuals draws attention away from institutions and social processes such as the systematic unequal distribution of resources.
For justice to seem fair ,GOD s instructions are a guide to how we should live to keep the balance of wealth and moral conduct.5- So the rich and poor sometimes are to blame , bu It is common, for example, to blame only poor people for their own poverty, suggesting that they do not work hard enough or are otherwise morally deficient, when in fact they face structural disadvantages in educational and legal institutions as well as in labour markets.
People who struggle economically are also apt to blame themselves rather than the system for their failure to advance.6-The wealthy people vary in how much they explain their social position solely with reference to hard work and other individual attributes. But they manage their discomfort with privilege by turning inward, toward managing affect and behaviour, rather than outward, toward social structure and distribution
Wealth up to a point for our needs is fine, but wealth above that- like billions in our bank account- belongs to its real owner GOD and should be distributed, What we do not need we should not be entitled to keep.
The test for us is to realise everything belongs to GOD Alone. GOD distributes to all His creatures. Our need is also connected to others need for the welfare of all and to keep us Muslims to GOD.
Responsibility of how to live and treat others is also part of that submission to our Creator.
GOD bless you all.
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The verses repeatedly say that wealth was given to Solomon and other good rich peoples specifically to them. I gave you one of the verses. Solomon says to the prophet, "Whether you keep these goods for yourself or share them, you are free." If you still ignore the obvious verses, I will understand that you are a tyrant and I will not write any answers.
No, those fortunes were not given for the country or society. Those great fortunes were given only to those persons. Stop telling still pagan communist lies here.
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Peace
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'But he who turneth away from remembrance of Me, his will be a narrow life, and I shall bring him blind to the assembly on the Day of Resurrection.' — English Translation (Pickthall)
'And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind.' — Saheeh International
I agree with Jafer, here it means life with peace of mind vs life with guilty conscience which many wont realize until its all over for them.
To me blind means a person who is blinded from seeing the truth and he shall remain as such hereafter, and will be alone.For the other verse where we will be tested with so many hardships in this life.... this is happening since the beginning.. some times on a personal level and some times as a nation. I quote another explanation by GA Pervez.
155-156 This struggle will provide you with many opportunities to test your own mettle. You may encounter wars and massacres and also be confronted with scarcity of food and loss of life and property or with devastation of fields and orchards. Such ordeals may take place but ultimately those who remain steadfast and do not waver in their commitment to establish Allah’s System, will be successful. They meet every challenge saying “We have dedicated ourselves to the establishment of the Divine System and come what may we will continue advancing towards that goal.”"
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GOD s system never changes. The straight path and justice are at the forefront of this system.
Monopolising wealth , accumulating billions and leaving it to those who do not need it, like family and friends,relatives that were already provided for is a waste and unnecessary. That is a system of wealth possessions for power and greed.
Some of those before you were stronger than you, and possessed more money and children. They became preoccupied with their material possessions. Similarly, you have become preoccupied with your material possessions, just like those before you have become preoccupied. You have become totally heedless, just as they were heedless. Such are the people who nullify their works, both in this world and in the Hereafter; they are the losers.
كَالَّذينَ مِن قَبلِكُم كانوا أَشَدَّ مِنكُم قُوَّةً وَأَكثَرَ أَموٰلًا وَأَولٰدًا فَاستَمتَعوا بِخَلٰقِهِم فَاستَمتَعتُم بِخَلٰقِكُم كَمَا استَمتَعَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِكُم بِخَلٰقِهِم وَخُضتُم كَالَّذى خاضوا أُولٰئِكَ حَبِطَت أَعمٰلُهُم فِى الدُّنيا وَالـٔاخِرَةِ وَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الخٰسِرونَSome of them even pledged "If God showered us with His grace, we would be charitable, and would lead a righteous life."
وَمِنهُم مَن عٰهَدَ اللَّهَ لَئِن ءاتىٰنا مِن فَضلِهِ لَنَصَّدَّقَنَّ وَلَنَكونَنَّ مِنَ الصّٰلِحينَ
But when He did shower them with His provisions, they became stingy, and turned away in aversion.
فَلَمّا ءاتىٰهُم مِن فَضلِهِ بَخِلوا بِهِ وَتَوَلَّوا وَهُم مُعرِضونَ
Consequently, He plagued them with hypocrisy in their hearts, till the day they meet Him. This is because they broke their promises to God, and because of their lying.
فَأَعقَبَهُم نِفاقًا فى قُلوبِهِم إِلىٰ يَومِ يَلقَونَهُ بِما أَخلَفُوا اللَّهَ ما وَعَدوهُ وَبِما كانوا يَكذِبونَ
Do they not realize that God knows their secrets, and their conspiracies, and that God is the Knower of all secrets?
أَلَم يَعلَموا أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَعلَمُ سِرَّهُم وَنَجوىٰهُم وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلّٰمُ الغُيوبِ
Those who criticize the generous believers for giving too much, and ridicule the poor believers for giving too little, God despises them. They have incurred a painful retribution.
الَّذينَ يَلمِزونَ المُطَّوِّعينَ مِنَ المُؤمِنينَ فِى الصَّدَقٰتِ وَالَّذينَ لا يَجِدونَ إِلّا جُهدَهُم فَيَسخَرونَ مِنهُم سَخِرَ اللَّهُ مِنهُم وَلَهُم عَذابٌ أَليمٌThe proportionality and the balance of giving and helping is not the same for the rich, the extreme rich and the poor.
Of course one is free to accumulate as much as they like ,beyond a thousand times more of what they or their family will ever need .My question is to what limit is it justified? Does your instinct not tell you there is a little guilt in your heart, accumulating billions for yourself, and you are putting your head in the sand pretending there are not others around who are in desperate need?
YOU can never give enough if you have surplus and the more you give, the more you feel happy and peaceful.
At least spread your surplus wealth among your workforce, customers and other needy weaker /orphans...etc.Thank you Sarah for posing the question.
We think they win, GOD says they are the losers sister.
Thank you all for taking part and reading the thread.
GOD bless you all.
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Well... I don't understand why Both of you continue this far for a simplest of matters..
I remember a theory in management.. I hope Marslow's.
What human needs..
Physiological needs, Safety Needs, Socio /Relationship needs, Esteem Needs, Self actualisation needs.. Beyond that is Hoarding wealth...
It has gone beyond intended topic. Anyway let's workout the disparity between Brothers Emre and GL . Former says accumulating wealth is not an issue to whatever extent.. But later says accumulating wealth is not within the concept of Quran...
Let's put in example and figure out... Five people in jungle.. One has a roasted deer and all other four has nothing somehow.. The one who has roasted meat is of course rich based on situation coz he has food. They all sit together and unfortunately only he eats and rest starving.. It is his meat.. It is okay fine. But roasted meat of deer is too much for him... Why not share a little with rest coz after two days they will go back home.. A little share would do no harm.. so it would be enough for him in the first place until he get back home and also it would ease the hunger of rest.. But he denied.. In the end their vehicle came and they were ready to leave.. Not even one third he ate and left the rest in jungle..
Another example.. Same five people walking along a desert and they find after a day place to drink water.. What a pleasure.. Yes they quenched their thirsty and a long journey to go and not sure where they would find water again.. So they all filled their bottles for safety and necessity.. I hope you get me guys..
And same five people traversing on a lush green region full of fruits and water.. They find a place to drink water and drank and had food.. . Others didnt fill bottles but the hoarding guy filled water as he filled in dessert... What's the purpose.. They know water resource in this are is abundant and available at every place freely..
What I want to say is.. Why we need to hoard wealth when we in fact need them not for our life..
God says spend while have and while you don't have... Ie difficult times..
What actually going through a person's mind when he or she accumaltes and hoard them beyond his or her needs of all types.. Is he greedy ... Why one needs to leave a huge amount of wealth when he dies.. To earn wealth one needs to apply lot of time on it.. So if one have enough wealth for his life time why spend his valuable time in hoarding while as a believer he can spend those valuable time in acquiring knowledge..
Some are hoarding while not even spending.. What a shame.. Above middle age person in my office workshop not a friend obviously.. I had a discussion when he wanted a help in writing a letter to bank. I asked how much money you have in bank and in retirement account (EPF) ..he said considerable amount.. I asked him are all these money enough for you to live rest of your life. Oh yes.. He said I even have properties and lands.. Then why you take a loan... I questioned.. . He said interest rate is gone lower so there is benefit.. So I want to take advantage of it and hoard.. Further he was trying all avenues to earn money.. Buy lottery tickets whatever you imagine he is after wealth.. Hardly act as rich guy though... After few months I heard he passed away... In fact I was wondering what benefit for him hoarding money in the end. He has a son.. Yes.. So he hoarded all his life money to make his son rich ultimately.. . He was hoarder but miserly.. But there are hoarders and wasters...
Honest question.. Does anyone who hoard has habit of charity with good intent without any benefit in return...?
Companies do CSR projects so that their image is boosted abd attract customers and be competitive in market... It is not coz they are generous they doing CSR..
Why God is so angry on those who hoard wealth? Doesn't God angry on people who hoard wealth? Why God warns seriously those who hoard wealth....
You can't become extraordinarily wealthy if you spend on people other than your family ... Right or wrong... you can only become wealthy beyond limit if you hoard only. Hoarding as I said in my earlier thread with genuine purpose is absolutely fine.. Mohamed said he would accumalte wealth if he knew unseen.. So knowing future threats /disaaters one can hoard.
Why one need to hoard wealth over wealth to become more wealthy... While in those wealth a portion is for poor.. Did he forget as a believer that ?
As I said earlier if the owner of roasted meat shown some generosity towards rest can he be so rich as owner of meat..? No.. Some portion would have been curtailed .. . But he was greedy.. In the end it became waste.. Same when he collected water bottles where abundance of water on his way..... Does Allah like those who waste... What is waste.? Isn't it waste having wealth never been used on any purpose while others need it cravingly?
Allah is rich and not human.. So why human hoard as if he is rich and Allah is poor..
If hoarding is absolutely fine, why would Allah needs to punish innocent hoarder.. It could be his passion hoarding..
In every society some poor people are there.. Needless to state.. Those who are rich keep hoarding while poor go to bed in hunger..
For example.. In India.. Most richest people also living there.. But who cares about most poorest in the world. They also love there. They are happy to keep them poor.. . They don't mind.. This disparity is mainly coz of hoarding abundantly and discarding the poor..
Ultimately, what I have to say is not one can become a billionaire and still hunt for billions if he was a generous a charitable person..
What is the purpose of becoming billionar...its all beyond vanity.. Greedy is the right answer.. Without unfairly hoarding no one can become billionar.. Coz from his coffer it was not used for others but only accumulated over and over..God is very strict on his words to those who hoard... Without hoarding unfairly you can't be rich..
Hoarding Never helps in the eyes of God.. If hoarding is good practice, God would havd never used strict warning in Quran...
I don't see any purpose in hoarding wealth other than arrogance.. Arrogance is not acceptable by God..
I am not shame to talk about myself.. After college when I found a job and when I started to earn I started buying more cloths.. Before I had very limited and I used them with care.. But then I realized I don't even use most of those I but and I even forget what I have ... More money more waste on purposeless matters.. Waste is hated by God.. Thanks God now I don't buy cloths at will.. Only when required.. Trying to use them longer as long as it is good for use.. Lol..
If things are like this with just a person like me how much waste must be there among rich people...
Anyway according to Quran hoarding wealth has only negative effect... It can take us to hell.. Earning wealth is no harm as long as you need them..But one may think at a different angle.. A big company and many thousands working in it.. And company is earning good profit.. So definitely owners, or stakeholders or shareholders would become rich... But point is why they become rich instead of employees.. Thing is there is huge flaw in the system.. Coz of employees and their commitment they succeeded in business but still they were in only given salaries and hardly a minute reward.. This disparity only makes them rich... A believers consent cannot do this if he is a believer.. If these people make us rich then they deserve better lifestyle though what this company earns.. Failing to do so has made the owners more and more rich... They hoard.. Poor employees suffer..
Hoarding in any nature is against Quran principle... Yes but they will hoard until they reach graveyard...
