Marrying modern day christians is haram based on Quran
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423 Prohibited to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And the wives of your sons who are from your loins, and that you take two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.
okay bring me the verse for women if this is only for Men...?
It doesn’t need a verse. If I tell you it is prohibited to marry your aunt, then doesn’t that automatically mean that your aunt can’t marry you. These are two different logical scenarios
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Quran 6010
Also it is not right for you to insult me. We are having a discussion, if you fail to see the logic then plz first try to understand my reasoning without having a knee jerk reaction.
Where i have insulted you... read well... try to find out the intention of the writer.. nope
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It doesn’t need a verse. If I tell you it is prohibited to marry your aunt, then doesn’t that automatically mean that your aunt can’t marry you. These are two different logical scenarios
then if you use your logic perfectly for 423 why not use the same logic perfectly to 55...
So God has permitted the foods of people of the book ONLY FOR MEN? -
Okay let me put in this way... So you agreed saying it doesnt need separate verse for 423 ... you gave example aunt..
now carefully read the verse 423 it say not allowed to marry two sisters at a time.. so does that mean for women not allowed to marry two brothers (biological) at a time but if married already no harm... or else does it say two biological brothers not allowed but two men okay.. how do you perceive? do you get me.. take your time -
After reading some verses, my opinion is incorrect. Ahl ul kitab are mentioned in the quran as doing shirk. However it is only permissible to marry a christian woman, it is not permissible to marry a christian man. I base this on the fact that god prohibited us from marrying kufar, christians are mentioned as “kafaru” but he only made an exception for men to marry ahl ul kitab.
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If you read the Arabic of this verse it says 'mushrikeen' not 'kufar' who are forbidden to be married...
'Do not marry polytheistic women until they believe; for a believing slave-woman is better than a free polytheist, even though she may look pleasant to you. And do not marry your women to polytheistic men until they believe, for a believing slave-man is better than a free polytheist, even though he may look pleasant to you. They invite ˹you˺ to the Fire while Allah invites ˹you˺ to Paradise and forgiveness by His grace.1 He makes His revelations clear to the people so perhaps they will be mindful.' 2221
Isn't there a difference between kufar and mushrikeen? Mushrikeen are idol worshippers as I understand and I think there's a distinction between Christians and mushrikeen in the Qur'an (if I remember correctly)...
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then if you use your logic perfectly for 423 why not use the same logic perfectly to 55...
So God has permitted the foods of people of the book ONLY FOR MEN?It is because they are two different scenarios. It says chaste woman, thats why that part only applies to men. In 2221 and 6010, where the prohibitions are made against kuffar and mushrikeen, it mentions both men and woman. If an exemption was going to be made to marry men from ahl ul kitab then it would’ve been stated. Im not the one that is assuming, it would be an assumption to think that because god made an exemption for woman of ahl ul kitab, then there is an exemption for their men too. If there was an exemption for their men, then it would’ve been stated. There is no exemption for their men, therefore haram
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Peace
If you read the Arabic of this verse it says 'mushrikeen' not 'kufar' who are forbidden to be married...
'Do not marry polytheistic women until they believe; for a believing slave-woman is better than a free polytheist, even though she may look pleasant to you. And do not marry your women to polytheistic men until they believe, for a believing slave-man is better than a free polytheist, even though he may look pleasant to you. They invite ˹you˺ to the Fire while Allah invites ˹you˺ to Paradise and forgiveness by His grace.1 He makes His revelations clear to the people so perhaps they will be mindful.' 2221
Isn't there a difference between kufar and mushrikeen? Mushrikeen are idol worshippers as I understand and I think there's a distinction between Christians and mushrikeen in the Qur'an (if I remember correctly)...
Salam there is a different verse. Quran 6010
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Peace
If you read the Arabic of this verse it says 'mushrikeen' not 'kufar' who are forbidden to be married...
'Do not marry polytheistic women until they believe; for a believing slave-woman is better than a free polytheist, even though she may look pleasant to you. And do not marry your women to polytheistic men until they believe, for a believing slave-man is better than a free polytheist, even though he may look pleasant to you. They invite ˹you˺ to the Fire while Allah invites ˹you˺ to Paradise and forgiveness by His grace.1 He makes His revelations clear to the people so perhaps they will be mindful.' 2221
Isn't there a difference between kufar and mushrikeen? Mushrikeen are idol worshippers as I understand and I think there's a distinction between Christians and mushrikeen in the Qur'an (if I remember correctly)...
kufar means deny in general .. it is just a word to deny no correlation with faith..
Shirk is associating not only with idols but in any form which is equaling to God.. Taking a book other than God's for salvation is for me shirk as well ...
in the end DENYING/KUFR is taking place.. no issue..@ Almaz...
look again the verse Sarah brought...
it says dont marry Shirk woman ... fine.. accepted but ALLOWED ... when the same Shirk woman becomes a believer.... So use common sense..
A Chrisitian (just a race) already a BELIEVER and why can't marry?
Shirk man a family can give their daughter when he reformed and become believer then why can't a believing woman cannot marry believing man who is jew christian... where is your perfect logic -
of course no logic at all.. no difference to hadith followers.. why to be shameful to say the truth..
Brother, just because you cannot see the logic doesn’t mean it is not there.
I think its better if we keep the discourse respectful, at the end of the day we are both muslims trying to find the truth to the best of our abilities.
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It is because they are two different scenarios. It says chaste woman, thats why that part only applies to men. In 2221 and 6010, where the prohibitions are made against kuffar and mushrikeen, it mentions both men and woman. If an exemption was going to be made to marry men from ahl ul kitab then it would’ve been stated. Im not the one that is assuming, it would be an assumption to think that because god made an exemption for woman of ahl ul kitab, then there is an exemption for their men too. If there was an exemption for their men, then it would’ve been stated. There is no exemption for their men, therefore haram
So your logic says Men doesn't need to be chaste.. come on give me a break...
Are you man or woman... why you so much support men... you sound like woman.. -
Brother, just because you cannot see the logic doesn’t mean it is not there.
I think its better if we keep the discourse respectful, at the end of the day we are both muslims trying to find the truth to the best of our abilities.
cant help if you find it hard.. i have not used anything illogical or personal attack.. i have spoken the truth.. truth how conventional muslims do perceive in general..
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kufar means deny in general .. it is just a word to deny no correlation with faith..
Shirk is associating not only with idols but in any form which is equaling to God.. Taking a book other than God's for salvation is for me shirk as well ...
in the end DENYING/KUFR is taking place.. no issue..@ Almaz...
look again the verse Sarah brought...
it says dont marry Shirk woman ... fine.. accepted but ALLOWED ... when the same Shirk woman becomes a believer.... So use common sense..
A Chrisitian (just a race) already a BELIEVER and why can't marry?
Shirk man a family can give their daughter when he reformed and become believer then why can't a believing woman cannot marry believing man who is jew christian... where is your perfect logicThis is not correct, when the quran talks about kuffur, it is talking about people that deny Islam
Also the verse about shirk does prohibit marriage with mushrikeen.
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So your logic says Men doesn't need to be chaste.. come on give me a break...
Are you man or woman... why you so much support men... you sound like woman..You missed the point, my point was not about chastity, my point was that it says woman.
My gender has no bearing on the discussion. Why do you keep resorting to ad hominen attacks
Also it is alot easier for a man to drive a woman away from her faith than vice versa. That is a possible reason why it remains haram for woman.
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This is not correct, when the quran talks about kuffur, it is talking about people that deny Islam
Also the verse about shirk does prohibit marriage with mushrikeen.
go pls... study all kufr verses and shirk verses in quran then speak.. thats better.. no comment kufr .,..
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So your logic says Men doesn't need to be chaste.. come on give me a break...
Are you man or woman... why you so much support men... you sound like woman..There are other verses in the quran that says chaste men are for chaste woman. I don’t remember exactly
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You missed the point, my point was not about chastity, my point was that it says woman.
My gender has no bearing on the discussion. Why do you keep resorting to ad hominen attacks
Also it is alot easier for a man to drive a woman away from her faith than vice versa. That is a possible reason why it remains haram for woman.
So believing men of Christians do change women after they marry... So Believing men is just for names.. Only Ummi believers are trustable and not Jews or Christians or sabian who are genuinely believers... well ..
think in different level dude.. asking the gender of a person is not ad hominen attack.. just get some ideas of the person who debates relevant gender issues.. try to grasp.. -
Let me ask a common question.. so hope you would get ....
Are CONVERTED CHRISTIANS (MUSLIMS) allowed to marry for believing women? If Yes why...
So you try to say keeping once ethnic group (Jew/Christian) is not allowed in Quran?
Do you really think during the time of Mohamed Christians do convert to Islam? No way...
People can get converted if they don't believe in God only.. that makes sense