Marrying modern day christians is haram based on Quran
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Let me ask a common question.. so hope you would get ....
Are CONVERTED CHRISTIANS (MUSLIMS) allowed to marry for believing women? If Yes why...
So you try to say keeping once ethnic group (Jew/Christian) is not allowed in Quran?
Do you really think during the time of Mohamed Christians do convert to Islam? No way...
People can get converted if they don't believe in God only.. that makes senseOf course if they convert to Islam, they can marry muslims. May allah bless them and their marriages. Because now they are no longer christians and they are believers. My point was about marrying men from ahl ul kitab that disbelieve in Islam
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kufar means deny in general .. it is just a word to deny no correlation with faith..
Shirk is associating not only with idols but in any form which is equaling to God.. Taking a book other than God's for salvation is for me shirk as well ...
in the end DENYING/KUFR is taking place.. no issue..@ Almaz...
look again the verse Sarah brought...
it says dont marry Shirk woman ... fine.. accepted but ALLOWED ... when the same Shirk woman becomes a believer.... So use common sense..
A Chrisitian (just a race) already a BELIEVER and why can't marry?
Shirk man a family can give their daughter when he reformed and become believer then why can't a believing woman cannot marry believing man who is jew christian... where is your perfect logicBrother, Christianity is not a race, it is a religion.
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god prohibited us from marrying kufar.
Correction.
6010 wasn't addressing us, it was directed at those who had aamanu whom it calls on in the beginning.6010 was prohibiting a specific group of people in that time and not the general Muslims.
Consider 4914 where some had falsely claimed aamana.
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Correction.
6010 wasn't addressing us, it was directed at those who had aamanu whom it calls on in the beginning.6010 was prohibiting a specific group of people in that time and not the general Muslims.
Consider 4914 where some had falsely claimed aamana.
What makes you say that it was only directed to a specific group of believers? Amanu mean believe, we are believers therefore it applies to us too. In the second part of the verse it says kuffar are not lawful for us, nor are we lawful for them. It applies to all muslims.
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What makes you say that it was only directed to a specific group of believers? Amanu mean believe, we are believers therefore it applies to us too. In the second part of the verse it says kuffar are not lawful for us, nor are we lawful for them. It applies to all muslims.
6010 has a context that can be found by reading the full ayah along with its surrounding ayaat. It's wasn't a general address.
Aamanu does not mean to believe, it has a different meaning in the Quraan connected to the Messenger. No one today is from the aamanu.
Quraan has time bound and people specific ayaat that don't apply to others. It wasn't meant to be universal.
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Brother, Christianity is not a race, it is a religion. bravo
Well.. Sorry for delay in reply..
So according 55 when the verse was revealed Nazaras and Yehudi believing men cannot marry ummi believing women..
What is wrong in Nasara and Yehudi believing men?
If not allowed why would Nasara believing fathers should give their believing daughters to ummi believing men.. So they trust ummi believing men and ummi believing men don't trust nasara Yehudi believing men... Belief is not in ethnnicty...cetywin things alpha doesn't want to repeat just coz QURAN is numerically perfected and certain things not necessary at all to repeat..
Let me put in practical way.. Let's go back to the time of Mohamed..
A believing man's family go to Nasara believing mans family asking His daughter in marruage after this verse.. Let's hope they agreed to give their daughter.. And the nasara believing family cones to ummi believing family asking their daughter for their believing son nasara.. These ummi family rejects saying you are not allowed to marry our women..
What a shame... What is the reason...
I know many people say by this verse only men are allowed.. But they failed to grasp the reality.. When one believes in God and do righteous good deeds every believer is same... Be it Yehudi nasara ummi or whatever..
Or we have to deduce that this is a cunning verse made up only to the benefit of men of ummi... Gof us perfect and his verses are perfect... But people failed to grasp them..
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6010 has a context that can be found by reading the full ayah along with its surrounding ayaat. It's wasn't a general address.
Aamanu does not mean to believe, it has a different meaning in the Quraan connected to the Messenger. No one today is from the aamanu.
Quraan has time bound and people specific ayaat that don't apply to others. It wasn't meant to be universal.
Yes I do agree with you to certain extent.. But not every verse of Amanu... There are many Amanu verses which are common to all believers... Timeless..
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Yes I do agree with you to certain extent.. But not every verse of Amanu... There are many Amanu verses which are common to all believers... Timeless..
Aamanu is past tense. When the ayah said YA it was addressing a living people when the ayah was being said from the mouth of the messenger.
YA doesn't apply to the non-existing. That already indicates YA AYYO... are time bound that were directed at a specific people that were living in that moment.
6010 is in that manner, time and specific, doesn't apply to anyone else except them in that moment.
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Aamanu is past tense. When the ayah said YA it was addressing a living people when the ayah was being said from the mouth of the messenger.
YA doesn't apply to the non-existing. That already indicates YA AYYO... are time bound that were directed at a specific people that were living in that moment.
I disagree, the quran is meant till the end of time, we are reading the quran right now, we believe right now, all the directives in the quran apply to all muslims unless stated otherwise.
We cannot inject our own personal biases into the quran.
Is there a verse in the quran that says some of the directives in the quran are meant only for the people of the time?
I read the surrounding verses, it is clear that these verses apply to all muslims.
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I disagree, the quran is meant till the end of time, we are reading the quran right now, we believe right now, all the directives in the quran apply to all muslims unless stated otherwise.
We cannot inject our own personal biases into the quran.
Is there a verse in the quran that says some of the directives in the quran are meant only for the people of the time?
I read the surrounding verses, it is clear that these verses apply to all muslims.
That's the common misconception, that Quraan came for all times and all people even though the Quraan never made such a claim.
Quraan is in a particular type of Arabic and speaks to a specific people in their language dialect, directed at events taking place there.
Muhammad was an Arab messenger sent to HIS PEOPLE as was every Messenger was stated in the Quraan 144. 144 shows the Messenger and the message is catered to their QAWM, not universal.
Anyways, the point was 6010 is non-applicable today as it was directed at a specific group of people.
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That's the common misconception, that Quraan came for all times and all people even though the Quraan never made such a claim.
Quraan is in a particular type of Arabic and speaks to a specific people in their language dialect, directed at events taking place there.
Muhammad was an Arab messenger sent to HIS PEOPLE as was every Messenger was stated in the Quraan 144. 144 shows the Messenger and the message is catered to their QAWM, not universal.
Anyways, the point was 6010 is non-applicable today as it was directed at a specific group of people.
Well.. Sorry for delay in reply..
So according 55 when the verse was revealed Nazaras and Yehudi believing men cannot marry ummi believing women..
What is wrong in Nasara and Yehudi believing men?
If not allowed why would Nasara believing fathers should give their believing daughters to ummi believing men.. So they trust ummi believing men and ummi believing men don't trust nasara Yehudi believing men... Belief is not in ethnnicty...cetywin things alpha doesn't want to repeat just coz QURAN is numerically perfected and certain things not necessary at all to repeat..
Let me put in practical way.. Let's go back to the time of Mohamed..
A believing man's family go to Nasara believing mans family asking His daughter in marruage after this verse.. Let's hope they agreed to give their daughter.. And the nasara believing family cones to ummi believing family asking their daughter for their believing son nasara.. These ummi family rejects saying you are not allowed to marry our women..
What a shame... What is the reason...
I know many people say by this verse only men are allowed.. But they failed to grasp the reality.. When one believes in God and do righteous good deeds every believer is same... Be it Yehudi nasara ummi or whatever..
Or we have to deduce that this is a cunning verse made up only to the benefit of men of ummi... Gof us perfect and his verses are perfect... But people failed to grasp them..
Thank you...Are we talking about the same thing? I’m talking about ahl up kitab that do not convert to Islam.
If a non muslim is exposed to Islam and they disbelieve, doesn’t that make them disbelievers, hence kuffar. Also the quran say that people that believe in trinity kafaru.
Also this verse does not have much significance today since most nonmuslims are not chaste.
Also there is a fundamental difference between men and women. Men are naturally the leaders in marriage. A non muslim man is alot more likely to lead his wife into sin, than vice versa.
I personally don’t see why any muslim would want to marry somebody that is not muslim.
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That's the common misconception, that Quraan came for all times and all people even though the Quraan never made such a claim.
Quraan is in a particular type of Arabic and speaks to a specific people in their language dialect, directed at events taking place there.
Muhammad was an Arab messenger sent to HIS PEOPLE as was every Messenger was stated in the Quraan 144. 144 shows the Messenger and the message is catered to their QAWM, not universal.
Anyways, the point was 6010 is non-applicable today as it was directed at a specific group of people.
So you’re saying the quran is not applicable today????
Are you saying that 6013 is not applicable today?
There are plenty of verses that say “ya ayuhal lathina amanu” are you saying all of those verses only apply to the people of that time?
Im sorry but that’s ridiculous.
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Aamanu is past tense. When the ayah said YA it was addressing a living people when the ayah was being said from the mouth of the messenger.
YA doesn't apply to the non-existing. That already indicates YA AYYO... are time bound that were directed at a specific people that were living in that moment.
6010 is in that manner, time and specific, doesn't apply to anyone else except them in that moment.
I don't understand what you say...
What Ya doesn't apply to us.. We do exist... Don't we?Look at verse 2153 ... Is it common or only for people of Mohamed..
Every ayah is being said through the mouth of messenger.. Even it has Ya or not. When mohamed says Ya iy doesn't mean He directly speaks.. God speaks with Ya.. God can speak to them as well us with Ya.. We do exist..
Regarding 6010 it is for that specific people.. But it doesn't mean it won't apply to others.. What would others do in such situations when women comes.. Just neglect.. That's bizzare.. I wish people use more comparison and own wits.. For example if a verse says Ya and don't raise your voice above Prophet then it is only meant for those Believers.. Not for us... So many examples like that within Quran..
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I don't understand what you say...
What Ya doesn't apply to us.. We do exist... Don't we?Look at verse 2153 ... Is it common or only for people of Mohamed..
Every ayah is being said through the mouth of messenger.. Even it has Ya or not. When mohamed says Ya iy doesn't mean He directly speaks.. God speaks with Ya.. God can speak to them as well us with Ya.. We do exist..
Regarding 6010 it is for that specific people.. But it doesn't mean it won't apply to others.. What would others do in such situations when women comes.. Just neglect.. That's bizzare.. I wish people use more comparison and own wits.. For example if a verse says Ya and don't raise your voice above Prophet then it is only meant for those Believers.. Bit for us... So many examples like that within Quran..
It does apply to all muslims, and I’m happy we agree on something
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It does apply to all muslims, and I’m happy we agree on something
Don't be satisfied and be happy that we agree at last in something.. Who are we... No one.. Just ensure.. You agree with Quran and what exactly meant by God. That's important... We agree has no value... Real message of Quran is grasped OR not that's vital... I and you agree doesn't mean that it could be the truth... Truth is always agreeable if understood correctly..
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So you’re saying the quran is not applicable today????
Are you saying that 6013 is not applicable today?
There are plenty of verses that say “ya ayuhal lathina amanu” are you saying all of those verses only apply to the people of that time?
Im sorry but that’s ridiculous.
Did you even read what I said? The Quraan YA applies to who it was addressing. You're not one of those people. You're not even from the Aamanu.
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I don't understand what you say...
What Ya doesn't apply to us.. We do exist... Don't we?Look at verse 2153 ... Is it common or only for people of Mohamed..
Every ayah is being said through the mouth of messenger.. Even it has Ya or not. When mohamed says Ya iy doesn't mean He directly speaks.. God speaks with Ya.. God can speak to them as well us with Ya.. We do exist..
Regarding 6010 it is for that specific people.. But it doesn't mean it won't apply to others.. What would others do in such situations when women comes.. Just neglect.. That's bizzare.. I wish people use more comparison and own wits.. For example if a verse says Ya and don't raise your voice above Prophet then it is only meant for those Believers.. Not for us... So many examples like that within Quran..
You're mistaken. You didn't exist when it was being said, so you were not part of the message.
2153 is also addressing them Aamanu, not the general aslamu. There's a difference between aamanu and aslamu as mentioned in 4914. A person can aslam but not aamanu.
If YA was talking to people in front of the Prophet, than YA is living people not dead or non-existing. You're providing evidence in support of YA being restrictive.
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Also 2208
There are 89 verses in the quran that use ya ayuhal lathina amanu. To say they were only for the people of the time makes no sense. Islam is not an anything goes religion
I'm talking specifically about the Quraan, not Islaam. Islaam and Muslims predate the Quraan.