The Mark on their Forehead
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PICKTHAL Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration.Do muslims have the mark on their foreheads as prophecied in the Bible in revelations
"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image" (Revelation 1920)
Who is the false prophet in this prophecy... and again reference to the Mark on their foreheads. The same mark that identifies muslims as in 4819
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name"(Revelation 14911)
Can muslims be sure that the spirit who spoke to muhammad was from God and was it really Gabriel. Or was it a trickster (the Beast) who revealed the revelations to muhammad.
Doesn't the quran also say muslims will drink from rivers of wine
And judgment was given unto them and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads (Revelation 204)
Muslims have beheaded christians in the past and in recent times, and 4829 say that muslims also have a Mark on their Forehead (a literal or symbolic mark) from traces of prostration (touching their foreheads on the ground when they pray)
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Khalifa 4829
"Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating"Pickthall 4829
"The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration"Shakir 4829
"their marks are in their faces because of the effect of prostration"Sher Ali 4829
"Their marks are upon their faces, being the traces of prostrations"Yusuf Ali 4829
"On their faces are their marks, the traces of their prostration" -
The word "forehead" doesn't occur in 4829 so the title of this thread is wrong to begin with and Pickthall's translation is false. The word "wajh" can mean face (56) or direction/direction in life (679, 10105, 2112, 4125, 2144, 2149, 2150, etc.).
I hope this helps.
Ayman
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What are you afraid if truth... The questions I raised is in regard to muslims and a verse in the quran..
Apparently you have no answers or you are afraid the connecting is true and too afraid to answer.
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Salam all,
Marks on their forehead ?
I have been praying for many years the traditionnal way without keeping a permanent mark on my front - but I did have marks on both my feet... lol
I sometimes had a temporary mark on my forehead just after prayer, but it never lasted.
And although I see quite some men here, that have a mark, I never ever saw a woman...
Some people say the mark, called sebiba here, is fabricated through rubbing onion on the forehead... roll
But anyway, I believe that this mark is not to be taken litterally. IMHO, it has something to do with the third eye, conscioussness and purity.
Bye,
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What are you afraid if truth... The questions I raised is in regard to muslims and a verse in the quran..
Apparently you have no answers or you are afraid the connecting is true and too afraid to answer.
You're assuming Revelation is truth. We do not.
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Salaams all,
sorry but the Dr got it right - as far as i can see
He said
"The word "forehead" doesn't occur in 4829 so the title of this thread is wrong to begin with and Pickthall's translation is false. The word "wajh" can mean face (56) or direction/direction in life (679, 10105, 2112, 4125, 2144, 2149, 2150, etc.). "Is sjd Physical ,causing marks on the face or forhead, see this Please.
Using lanes and qd.
WUJOOH=Actions/Deeds/Direction (page 603 QD)
SEEMA=Mark/sign/token/badge,by which a thing is known,OR BY WHICH THE
GOOD ARE KNOWN FROM THE BAD (page 1476-lanes)
4829
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those who are with him are strong/firm/strict against the disbelievers and Merciful among themselves you see them humbling submitting seeking bounty from Allah and good pleasure .The good are known from the bad by their actions/deeds/directions from traditions/teachings/effects of the submission this is their description in the Torah and their description in the Gospel is like a seed which sends forth its shoot then makes it strong it then becomes thick and it stands straight on its stem e.t.cBut The proof is in the eating Are you then more righteous by a physical sjd or by actions of say a good deeds, or the same?
Gods Blessings.
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The word "forehead" doesn't occur in 4829 so the title of this thread is wrong to begin with and Pickthall's translation is false. The word "wajh" can mean face (56) or direction/direction in life (679, 10105, 2112, 4125, 2144, 2149, 2150, etc.).
I hope this helps.
Ayman
isnt the forehead part of the face ?
salam.
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Salaams saladin,
hey Br. if you don't know the nose is part of the face as well , so ?
Gods Blessings.
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Salaams saladin,
so according to to your interpretation "ALL HAVING MARKS ON THEIR FORHEADS-ARE GOOD" AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVEN'T ARE BAD??????? my god is this how the believers are supposed to be able to tell between who are good and who are bad?Come off it Sal!
Salaams
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Salaams saladin,
so according to to your interpretation "ALL HAVING MARKS ON THEIR FORHEADS-ARE GOOD" AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVEN'T ARE BAD??????? my god is this how the believers are supposed to be able to tell between who are good and who are bad?Come off it Sal!
Salaams
salam mz357.
thats what the koran is stating , i believe . because if one doesnt prostrate regularly he wont have a mark on their face . that is he doesnt perform salat regularly . by doing so he is disobeying God . thats my opinion .by the way , i think i read some ayat in the koran saying that those who will enter paradise will have marks on their faces ?
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Salaam Sal,
for information
YUSUFALI The men on the heights will call to certain men whom they will know from their marks, saying "Of what profit to you were your hoards and your arrogant ways?
Sama - afflict/impose a hard task or punishment upon.
Sima ? brand/sign/mark/appearanceSo according to the above ayah they will be known that they used to hoard and where arrogant because they are in possibly that part of hell ? they are branded/marked as according to their crimes. Nothing about a physical SJD .Is there? And it wouldn't be right to say if you hoard or you are arrogant you don't have a mark on your forhead , surely?Look around at how many of us may be doing the physical SJD but hoard as well and are arrogant too.
Here?s the full drama
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YUSUFALI The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers;-
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YUSUFALI "Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked they were those who denied the Hereafter."
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YUSUFALI Between them shall be a veil, and on the heights will be men who would know every one by his marks they will call out to the Companions of the Garden, "peace on you" they will not have entered, but they will have an assurance (thereof).
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YUSUFALI When their eyes shall be turned towards the Companions of the Fire, they will say "Our Lord! send us not to the company of the wrong-doers."
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YUSUFALI The men on the heights will call to certain men whom they will know from their marks, saying "Of what profit to you were your hoards and your arrogant ways?
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YUSUFALI "Behold! are these not the men whom you swore that Allah with His Mercy would never bless? Enter ye the Garden no fear shall be on you, nor shall ye grieve."
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YUSUFALI The Companions of the Fire will call to the Companions of the Garden "Pour down to us water or anything that Allah doth provide for your sustenance." They will say "Both these things hath Allah forbidden to those who rejected Him."
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YUSUFALI "Such as took their religion to be mere amusement and play, and were deceived by the life of the world." That day shall We forget them as they forgot the meeting of this day of theirs, and as they were wont to reject Our signs.
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YUSUFALI For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC.
Gods Blessings.
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Salaam Sal,
for information
YUSUFALI The men on the heights will call to certain men whom they will know from their marks, saying "Of what profit to you were your hoards and your arrogant ways?
Sama - afflict/impose a hard task or punishment upon.
Sima ? brand/sign/mark/appearanceSo according to the above ayah they will be known that they used to hoard and where arrogant because they are in possibly that part of hell ? they are branded/marked as according to their crimes. Nothing about a physical SJD .Is there? And it wouldn't be right to say if you hoard or you are arrogant you don't have a mark on your forhead , surely?Look around at how many of us may be doing the physical SJD but hoard as well and are arrogant too.
Here?s the full drama
salam mz357.
i dont get it . what has these ayat got to do with the marks of prostration ? -
Salaams Sal,
i thought i was explaining about the marks to do with heaven , which you mentioned ,
you said
"by the way , i think i read some ayat in the koran saying that those who will enter paradise will have marks on their faces ?"
Salaams.
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Shabbir Ahmed in "Quran As It Explains Itself" .... http//www.OurBeacon.Com
4829 Muhammad is Allah?s Messenger. And those who are with him are stern towards the rejecters, but full of compassion towards one another. You see them bowing, adoring, as they seek Allah?s Bounty and Acceptance. Their signs (of belief) are on their faces, the effects of adoration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel. Like a seed that brings forth its shoot, and then strengthens it, so that it grows thick, and then stands firm on its own stem, delighting those who have sown it. Consequently, it fills the rejecters with rage at them. But unto those who may yet attain belief and do works that help others, Allah promises forgiveness and Immense Reward.
Surah 49 ? Al-Hujurat ? The Private Apartments
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Salaams Sal,
i thought i was explaining about the marks to do with heaven , which you mentioned ,
you said
"by the way , i think i read some ayat in the koran saying that those who will enter paradise will have marks on their faces ?"
salam mz357.
that was some other verse . i cant remember exactly .