Should Albion Be BANNED??
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Hello All,
Banning - What is going on here!?
The first sign of censorship on this forum appeared with the "Hypocrites amongst the forum members" thread a month ago and now a call for outright ban on a another member! This is not a good sign. This is a very bad sign of the worst to come perhaps! What next? whose next?
What has Albion done to incur your Great Wrath Damon that he needs to be Banned?
Can you not bear to look at the ugly face of Traditional Islam?
I thought you have rejected Traditional Islam so why should it bother you still?
Perhaps these threads should make you smile because you have left all this behind for good!
...And perhaps these threads should also make you little sad too for all those people who still live under such oppressive conditions of Traditional Islam?You are concerned that Albion is "spamming" this forum with negative threads and you are worried that "newbies" to this site may be misled by these posts. But I assure you, that no True seeker will be misled by these threads. In these posts a True seeker will see what they have always suspected about the Tryanny of Organised Religion!
There are better ways of dealing with members that seem to "spam" threads Damon. There are always other possibilities. Since Albion does not engage in debate, my suggestions to you in particular, since you are very worried that others will be misled by Albion's negative posts, would be to "Cut and Paste" a ready response to every thread that Albion creates, detailing your stance on Traditional Islam. This response could be very simple and short. For example
"Many here on this forum including myself have rejected Traditional Islam based on Hadiths and Sunnah etc etc...(I am sure you can elaborate on this Damon -)"
The other thing the administrators can do would be to remove "spam" threads automatically to "trash" when no response has been posted to a thread after certain period of time...
If Albion can be shown to have multiple Logins then he has clearly broken Forum rules and therefore he should face the consequences. He should be notified and his additional logins deleted immediately.
I therefore vote not to ban Albion.
Uphold the Principle Free-Minds, set yourself free...
Regards,
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Salaam everyone,
First, I just wanted you all to know that I created the actual poll for Damon and suggested this idea to him. I realize now that while the thread is okay, it seems that the poll was a mistake, especially after all the suspicion and 'rigging' that's been going on. I should have left the thread as it was, and everyone would just say, whether they wish albion to be removed or not.
I must say though, I found it interesting that members here would come out and 'tell off' others who have stated their dislike against albion's behaviour. On the other hand, those very members said nothing to albion for what s/he said or did. roll
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Greetings with peace,
Listen people. Instead of getting at each other, and instead of making conjectures, investigate this case. Check the list of those who have voted "No" and find out IF indeed Albion has used multiple users or if other than Albion has used multiple users. This CAN be done and therefore one of the suspicions can be settled.
Anwar Azim
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peace be upon all,
- tipcat 01 Jun 2005 0
2 Kamala 01 Jun 2005 0
4 ginger 01 Jun 2005 0
5 Amjad 01 Jun 2005 0
6 badawi 01 Jun 2005 0
7 rukhsana 01 Jun 2005 0
8 MUHANI 01 Jun 2005 0
10 hajih 31 May 2005 0
11 lofty 31 May 2005 0
12 yagmur 31 May 2005 0
13 sabrina 31 May 2005 0
14 Awny 31 May 2005 0
15 kasamba 31 May 2005 0
16 mansio 31 May 2005 0
17 samtoloui New York / New Jersey 31 May 2005 0
18 binks 30 May 2005 0
19 hayes 30 May 2005 0
20 seymor 30 May 2005 0
21 Norstar1 30 May 2005 0
22 northgong 30 May 2005 0
23 fy Bay Area 30 May 2005 0
^^^^this is suspect, the amount of people that have joined in the past three days is about equal to the amount of the people that joined from May 2-May 26
- tipcat 01 Jun 2005 0
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Salaams all,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
By the way it is holiday season from universities,colleges,schools -here in the Uk may be not elsewhere,so i would have expected extra new people joining Free Minds - don't you reckon the same? all.
Gods Blessings.
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peace be upon you mz,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
assuming that a person won't do something because they are not in a certain group is being prejudiced
By the way it is holiday season from universities,colleges,schools -here in the Uk may be not elsewhere,so i would have expected extra new people joining Free Minds - don't you reckon the same? all.
if you check other holidays and the amount of members joining there wasn't much of a change, this is suspect
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Peace,
How would you know for sure?
I would, for one, would like to know the truth about this matter. If I had the means, I would certainly investigate first. I would not go about conjecturing.
Anwar Azim
Salaams all,
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy. -
Peace Zenje,
I see.
So, does this mean that only the owner can see the list? If so, then Layth should investigate the matter. If he cannot do it due to time constraints, then let him give some moderator access temporarily to inverstigate and put the matter to rest.
Anwar Azim
I would, for one, would like to know the truth about this matter. If I had the means, I would certainly investigate first. I would not go about conjecturing.
I agree. The only problem is, I can't check who voted. (
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Salaam Anwar & Idris,
cant u check the ips of the people who signed up and compare to see if any match albion's?
I'm not sure that I can. I can only check after the person has made a post. I'll try and find out if it's possible though.So, does this mean that only the owner can see the list?If so, then Layth should investigate the matter. If he cannot do it due to time constraints, then let him give some moderator access temporarily to inverstigate and put the matter to rest.
That's the case here, I have some admin responsibilities, but I don't think even the 'owner' can check the votes. I may be wrong. ? -
Peace people,
Banning of information is like putting your head in the sand when danger lurks.
This is the religious way, not the way of Free-minds, or the minds are not free anymore, they become shackled like in the case of Sunni-sites etc.A pet peeve that I have is when my point is missed or misconstrued and I end up having to repeat myself. Please read this carefully folks....
I didn't ask for albion to be banned based upon his views or based upon the information he is cut - and - pasting. That is NOT my issue. My issue with albion is that he is cutting and pasting in the hopes that people who are not aware of what Free-Minds is all about will get the WRONG IMPRESSION of Free-Minds when they see those articles posted back to back by albion and with no rebuttal/reply from any of us!! Why are there no rebuttals from us?? Because those of us who know albion also know that it is pointless to post anything to him. Why is pointless. Because he will simply IGNORE any posts to him and continue to cut and paste hate spewing articles...defacing the image of free-minds. Albion is not stupid. This is the perfect strategy. He is well aware that admin and mod will not delete nor trash posts as long as they do not break specified forum rules. They will stay put. But we tire of dealing with him. So we just ignore him and let him do his thing. This way he gets to cut - and - paste articles with no rebuttal from us and the visitors who do not know any better will assume that these articles are the GENERAL CONSESUS of the forum and thus is not only Free-Minds, but is straight out Anti Islamic!! THIS IS HIS GAMEPLAN!! MARK MY WORDS ON THAT!!
If all here wish to know WHY I was pushing for his expulsion, read this bold paragraph as many times as necessary...I will not repeat it.
Please, please, do not stoop down to the level of I-know-the-truth-therefore-shut-up, as we see on numerous discussion forums on the Internet.
I you read the above statement, you will realize that this is NOT the reason I pushed or his expulsion. For as long as I have been a member here, I have NEVER asked for someone to be banned based upon their position.
What we have agreed for some time is that banning will continue to take place if any of the forum rules are being broken...If this is the case with Albion, then it should not even warrent a discussion (a private e-mail to myself or Zenje with a link to the offending post will suffice)...However, if none of the rules of the forum are being broken or if the issue is questionable, then I do not forsee any action being taken.
If albion has gotten 21 friends to become members instead of establishing 21 different usernames himself, then technically he hasn't broken any rules. However, I do see the corruption that he was able to pull off in this here poll. In other words, he found a loophole and a way to work around rule number 5. Commiting a corrupt act indirectly does not make the act itself cleaner.
If my view is incorrect or mistaken, or if the members see that the forum rules need to be amended/expanded, then that is another matter and I kindly ask that whatever suggestions are for the benefit of the forum and group be made.
I wouldn't say that your view is incorrect. But I do believe that you should look at individual circumstances instead of loosely applying general rules broadly. In that case, I would say that you are making a mistake.
I agree with this. I do not think his one-sided posts need to be brought up. Those are his opinions and banning someone for their opinions or postings of opposing news should not be an option.
Please read the bold paragraph above.
I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
I believe that Andya would be concerned for that matter!
Well, you'll have to take that up with Andya.
And I have to disagree with your understanding of those Ayat, Damon
That's your opinion Taj. You're entitled to one just like everbody else.
Anyway, this thread is not for that purpose or is it?
The TITLE of this thread should be able to answer that one for you.
Do you want all Christians to be banned or just Albion?
Just Albion.
As of now, my experience with those who claims to be Christians on the net is mostly negative.
My experience is similar to yours, but I also base my observation on personal interaction with those who profess the doctrine of Christianity. If you want to see hypocrisy and dishonesty at its height, deal with someone who preaches the christian faith, condeming others to hell for not proessing their faith, commiting all kinds of wrong deeds and immoral behaviour and on top of that proclaims the worst of all blasphemies that GOD has a son, and GOD's son Died to take on the burdens of their wrong deeds and immoral behaviour. Talk about a dishonest spirit.
It is unfair to us, IMO, because we are not the community albion's campaign is targeted,
Well said!! He should be posting that crap where it really needs to be seen at the salafi and wahhabi forums. But even if he did, he'll just do there what he is already doing here. He'll completely disregard anything said to him and will continue to cut and paste his hate spewing articles. The Difference between here and there is that here, free-minds is extremely tolerant and open minded. Hence the name "Free-Minds". But he knows that at those other forums he'll get bounced like a bad check. So he does it here where he knows he can GET AWAY WITH IT!!
First, I just wanted you all to know that I created the actual poll for Damon and suggested this idea to him. I realize now that while the thread is okay, it seems that the poll was a mistake, especially after all the suspicion and 'rigging' that's been going on. I should have left the thread as it was, and everyone would just say, whether they wish albion to be removed or not.
Don't beat yourself up Zenje. No one can logically blame you for anything. Who would've suspected that 21 new members will pop up in the span of two days??
I must say though, I found it interesting that members here would come out and 'tell off' others who have stated their dislike against albion's behaviour. On the other hand, those very members said nothing to albion for what s/he said or did. roll
Bingo!! This brings me to my next point. I see that sort of thing as being very hypocritical. People here are fuming over what Andya and I have said and yet none of these same people are fuming over albion's corrupt activities. Very hypocritical. There, I said it. Another thing that bugs me is that many of them (and you know who you are) are taking this so-called moral stand to display the image of righteousness and fair. When you read other posts by these same people, it becomes blatantly obvious that they are not as self-righteous as they are trying to portray themselves to be. I know I will raise alot of eye-brows with this statement, but it had to be said and it was long overdue. I say just be yourself and keep it real. No one can ask for more than that as long as we are sincerely trying to do right.
I doubt there was rigging - its the trad muslims who do do this saught of thingy.
By the way it is holiday season from universities,colleges,schools -here in the Uk may be not elsewhere,so i would have expected extra new people joining Free Minds - don't you reckon the same? all.
It is due to statements like this that some here have questioned your true motives and intentions. I have to say that this is the most illogical statement yet. How long has free-minds been in existence? And how many times have we passed school holidays?? And when during these school holidays have there ever been 21 new registered members in the course of a day and a half?? I believe I rest my case with this one.
One more thing people. Checking ISP's and matching them to albion is a waste of time for two reasons.
1). The decision has been made. Layth will allow albion to continue to do his thing here, so the elections are officially over. )
2). The writing is clearly on the wall. We all know what transpired during the poll and we all know who was behind it. It does not take a genius to figure this out.
I know that my forthright tone in this post may offend some of you. It was not my intention to offend anyone here. However, I must say that I thought long and hard before I decided to make this post and I meant every word expressed here. If some here cannot put their emotions aside and focus on what I was trying to say, there is nothing that I can do about that.
I'm out y'all,
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Salaams ALL,
Why do you guys voice your concern against an individual
showing the Zalimeen acts being conducted around the world shown by an individual who happens to be a crist'o , i think such a thing advertised by anybody should be aplauded so we can feel for humanity rather then being blind or sleep to the actions of the Zalimeen around the world - mind they could be the trads or the cristo's like in Bosnia and other people do do things like this also.
And if some of us who feel for the zalimeen - who ever they may be,then they are unfortunately of their kind - i think Allah does declare this somewhere aswell.This is my personal view and God knows my intentions.
Allah Bless.
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Peace,
I completely agree with Damon. But if the admins have decided that albion is going to stay and he/she continues to cut and paste articles and "deface the image of free-minds" as Damon put it, why not just move them to the TRASH section? Isn't that why it was created?
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Dear Damon,
I can very well understand your frustration with this ?albion?, but I can not see how the reputation of ?Free-Minds? could be tarnished by these clippings.
If these posts were sent to a traditional religious site, your anticipation is correct; they would not last very long.
?Free-Minds? however is a site where most participants are heavily against the kind of abuse shown, and I believe most of us are also very much against any form of religion advocating, and/or supporting, this kind of behavior.I very much agree that the clippings are put under the wrong section. Maybe moving this kind of FYI to a new section called ?Fake Islam? or simply ?FYI?, or something else like the suggested ?Trash?-section could solve the problem?
I also feel frustration over the fact that these atrocities are done under the shield of Islam, but this is the present situation. All ?xxxx-Islam?-sects are claiming ownership to Islam and this is what is reflected in the World realities, and we have to deal with that. Not by banning articles referring to actual facts, but showing that the perpetrators behind the atrocities are acting directly against the laws of God.
What is tarnished here is the expression ?Islam?, not by ?albion? and his/her likes, but by the common criminals referred to in the articles.This ?albion?-person is just another poor bewildered soul who does not understand, or does not bother to find out, what the reality of Islam is. He/she is trying to hit ?bad? but is aiming at ?good?, thereby always totally missing the target.
This is also where we find Ali Sina and his ?gang?, and imaginary minds like ?Apple Pie? and his/her likes.
They are all very well described in the Qur?an under hypocrites and those who claim only to want peace, deaf-dumb-blind and so on.As I mentioned, most of them are utterly bewildered souls, so let us treat them as such, not by banning them, but to continue to try to guide them by the words of God. Whether they understand and take it in is not for us to worry about.
Even our great guide Muhammad was told that he should not concern himself as to whether people would follow the words of God, or not; his main task was to deliver the words and leave the rest to God.The poor bewildered souls, mentioned above, are not the roots of the problem. They are only parrots repeating what others have told them. The roots lie with the priesthood hiding behind the shield of Islam, and others, willfully, guiding people against the words of God.
Our energy is best utilized in the struggle against these forces, and to better ourselves.Best regards
Ali Omar
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Dear Damon,
I can very well understand your frustration with this ?albion?, but I can not see how the reputation of ?Free-Minds? could be tarnished by these clippings.Neither can I.
But I think Damon's contention now is that Albion is being deliberately abusing the forum to his own ends. If Albion does have multiple logins then indeed he is abusing the forum rules and should face the consequences and his additional logins deleted.
?Free-Minds? however is a site where most participants are heavily against the kind of abuse shown, and I believe most of us are also very much against any form of religion advocating, and/or supporting, this kind of behavior.
Absolutely!
I very much agree that the clippings are put under the wrong section. Maybe moving this kind of FYI to a new section called ?Fake Islam? or simply ?FYI?, or something else like the suggested ?Trash?-section could solve the problem?
In other forums if a topic does not recieve any posts after certain period of time has expired then those topics are automatically moved to trash and then subsequently deleted after a length of time. This could be applied on this forum and this would also clear up a lot useful storage space on the forum...
Regards,
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this is hilarious ... three pages of whining about a guy who hardly says anything ... what a waste of time and effort ... but now i'm here so I must add my two cents as well ... wink
personally i think his articles are good for this forum ... its better to be aware of this stuff ... I wonder if the reason why so many people are getting irritated by this is that they have issues confronting the reality of all the terrible stuff that goes on in the name of Islam ...
let it go people ... let it go ... there are far more interesting things to be talking about ...
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Peace Ali,
I very much agree that the clippings are put under the wrong section. Maybe moving this kind of FYI to a new section called ?Fake Islam? or simply ?FYI?, or something else like the suggested ?Trash?-section could solve the problem?
Sent to Fake Islam.PS- Don't tell anyone, but I just noticed this Fake Islam section. oops
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