Should Albion Be BANNED??
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Salaams Marie,
you said
"The problem with Albion's post is their wrong titles
Victims of Islam
Peaceful Islam keeps the peace
Heroes Of IslamIndeed these victims undergo only the consequences of their ignorance. Attributing their actions to Islam is a great offence towards the God and the believers.
Those who labelled them as victim's of Islam are as ignorant as them."
He has said they where crimes by those who label themselves - as either muslims or under the Banner of Islam,But he hasn't said they have been done by those comitted to God or anything.
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
And if you are saying those called Muslims or those hiding under the Banner of Islam are those comitted to God , then i suggest we shut this site ,please.
God Bless.
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Salam MZ,
And the only Islam in the world is the traditional style as they are in their billions whilst you here are only in hundreds.
The majority doesn't matter, Only the truth prevails and there is only one genuine islam whatever the number of those who follow it.
Man made religion is not the God's system, then let us call a cat by a cat.
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Peace all,
Peace,
Damon, one of the trolls aims is to provoke heated replies and make people to waste their time, something s/he is achieving here.I voted no, I find permanent moderation a fairer option because after all, he is dennouncing crimes, just a type of crimes, ok, s/he should dennounce every type, but aren't those type of crimes actually happening? We all should dennounce them, it would be better in amnesty international for instance.
I think you're missing my point.
My issue with albion is not his stance or that he chooses to cut and paste senseless anti-islamic articles. My issue is his Goal for doing such thing. I can tell that he is deliberately flooding the forum knowing that eventually we will get tired of replying to him because he simply will not debate and discuss. Therefore, we leave him to his own vices, he continues to cut and paste w/no more rebuttals from us, and unsuspecting visitors will not know that he is just a troll that we decided to ignore. They may believe that these web-pastes are the generally held consesus of the members here OR they may think that the info in the webpastes is irrefutable. Either Way, they are left with the impression that this Anti-Islamic stance of his is the Dominant and/or Prevailing stance here. And this is a misrepresentation of the members here and of this forum.
Most importantly, it's the principle that he is the only person here who refuses to debate and defend his position while he gets to cut and paste and then run off somewhere. It's fruitless to allow this to go on. The fact that he has somehow orchestrated 6 new memberships in one day to cast votes in his favor is a dishonest act that should not be tolerated here.
Plain and simple....he is a cancer that must be extracted from the rest of the body, so that the rest of the body can continue to function as it was meant to.
Peace.
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Salaamun Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,My personal view is not to ban him at this time.
I am not aware wether he has been warned for the same or not. If not, then we should give him a chance instead of kicking him out.
Why I said so is We are on a discussion board of Free Minds where every one got the rights to set himself / herself free. If I am right here, then he and everybody else should get a chance to say or cut and paste anything what he wants.
Remember Allah is the only ONE who can guide. But what ever we try is our duty.
What I suggest is, instead of banning him right away give him a chance, tell about what others think about him because of his deeds. There are lot of possibilities for a person to act in such a way as Albion. We dont know the exact reason. So, we can give him a chance explaning him everything then we (moderators) should give him a final chance by deleting his useless posts. Then we got a right to ban him with reasoning.
This is just my personal suggestion. If any of you think that I am wrong, please ignore my messege.
For Albion
Dear brother,
If you are reading all these messeges and don't know what to do, I suggest you to express your way or feelings.
Remember, if you believe in the Creator of Muslims, or the Creator of Christains, or the Creator of Jews, or any one's Creator. He is the only ONE. He knows everything about everybody. He is the knower of everything we do. So, my sincere suggestion for you is to think about it. Try to correct yourself where ever you find yourself wrong. If our Creator find anything good in you or me. He will surely guide us to the correct path.
"And do not be like those who have said 'We hear,' but they do not hear." 821
"The worst creatures with Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not understand." 822
"And if Allah had found any good in them, then He would have made them listen. But if He makes them listen, they would still turn away, averse." 823
If you are not a Muslim then also your religion will not teach you anything bad. If we do anything good, then we will be rewarded for the same. If you eat food, you will get the nutritions that you require, even if you want those nutritions to give it to others. This is the system, where we are bounded. So, what ever you do good or bad is only for you.
If you don't agree with what I said, then
"My Lord has guided me to a Straight Path. An upright system, the creed of Ibraheem the monotheist; he was not from those who set up partners." 6161
"My contact-method (salaat), and my offerings, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah the Lord of the worlds." 6162
"He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have surrendered." 6163
"Shall I seek other than Allah as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in." 6164
"And He is the One who made you inheritors on Earth, and He raised some of you over others in grades, to test you with what He had given you. Your Lord is quick to punishment, and He is Forgiving, Merciful." 6165
May Allah guide us all towards the correct path.
Regards,
MMKhan
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Peace all
While banning albion is one way of dealing with the problem, there is also an opportunity to make good use of his posts. Although albion's posts or news articles may be irritating, aren't some of them a reflection of what others may be thinking already? And if this is the case, then there's an opportunity to discuss these situations openly, for anyone here or anyone passing by to see.
However...there is no use debating with albion. It's entirely pointless, as I quickly discovered. What you could do is ignore him altogether and discuss what is posted amongst yourselves. That is, address the issue without addressing albion.
In that way, you clear up misconceptions that may already exist in some people's minds while avoiding a direct discussion with someone who has no intention of debating the issue to begin with.
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Peace,
I am also not in favour of banning him. However if he has several free minds a/c, I think we should tell him to go and get his hard on and highs somewhere else.
Regards
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Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging. I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
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Peace all,
Really, I begin to notice that another 5 new members just register today, and the votes against albion's expulsion is rising.
Looks like dirty political tactics to me. Vote rigging.
Yep, you got it.
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
I did....
Nevertheless, when Layth and the guys are ready to disband the poll and tally the votes, to be fair, they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsion (Like Anwar, ZS, Mmkhan and others have done.)
Logically thinking, no one who has never posted here and is not a regular contributor have no right to vote, so even that alone should discount the votes of our mysterious new friends.
Peace.
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Salaam,
Andya Primanda wrote
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.I did....
Now aren't you playing with labels x You should leave this to albions and his likes!
Also Damon wrote
they should discount the votes in favor of albion by the new registered members and those who didn't post a reason as to why they voted against albion's expulsionI follow your reasoning concerning the new registered members - but not the second part. In this case we can only count the votes for albions expulsion which were accompanied by an explanation as well...I voted him out but didn't give an explanation - this is something you usually don't need to do when you vote. Please guys, cool down
Elke
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what exactly has this guy done wrong because I honestly don't get it...
with that guy Doctor NO I could see why perhaps...but what exactly is the issue with this albion dude?
peaces outs dudes...
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Peace everyone,
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
And in response
I did....
I see some people are coming down on Andya Primanda, but no one is coming down on me. Well, I don't know about Andya Primanda, but I meant what I said. I have no intentions of retracting my statement either.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their system. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.
They said, "GOD has begotten a son!" Be He glorified; never! To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth; all are subservient to Him.
Who is it that say that GOD has a son?? Does albion not profess that GOD has a son?
The reason that I say that they are dishonest is because they profess the most illogical belief there is....They claim that GOD has a son. Not only that, they claim that this son has died for THEIR sins!! This is the epitome of dishonesty. I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
One more thing. Look at all of the posts by albion and ApplePie and tell me that you cannot see where they have demonstrated dishonesty on numerous occasions.
Peace be with you all,
Damon. -
Hi,
I do not think it is fruitful to discuss banning of anyone on the grounds that he/she is pasting events that have occurred in the World, even though it is one-sided. Facts are facts, but the minimum criteria should be that the sources for stories are given.
Banning of information is like putting your head in the sand when danger lurks.
This is the religious way, not the way of ?Free-minds?, or the minds are not free anymore, they become shackled like in the case of Sunni-sites etc.However, there is no need to answer on a ?cut-and-paste? entry like this albion-person is contributing with. Therefore it belongs on an ?FYI?-forum and not on a discussion-forum, and should be posted under such, or moved there.
If any of the material needs to be discussed, then post a message under a suitable forum for discussion.Please, please, do not stoop down to the level of ?I-know-the-truth-therefore-shut-up?, as we see on numerous ?discussion? forums on the Internet.
Best regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
If I may add my two cents worth...
As the forum structure/rules currently stand, I do not support banning any person simply because he/she is (from our view) stubborn, closed minded, or refuses to engage in any dialouge and simply posts specific one sided or biast opinions.
The truth is with God and He is the only one who guides if the person is willing to submit/surrender to the Almighty.
What we have agreed for some time is that banning will continue to take place if any of the forum rules are being broken...If this is the case with Albion, then it should not even warrent a discussion (a private e-mail to myself or Zenje with a link to the offending post will suffice)...However, if none of the rules of the forum are being broken or if the issue is questionable, then I do not forsee any action being taken.
If my view is incorrect or mistaken, or if the members see that the forum rules need to be amended/expanded, then that is another matter and I kindly ask that whatever suggestions are for the benefit of the forum and group be made.
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Salaam Layth,
I do not support banning any person simply because he/she is (from our view) stubborn, closed minded, or refuses to engage in any dialouge and simply posts specific one sided or biast opinions
I agree with this. I do not think his one-sided posts need to be brought up. Those are his opinions and banning someone for their opinions or postings of opposing news should not be an option.
To everyone else, as Layth said, if Albion is breaking forum rules, or anyone else for that matter, send a pm to one of the moderators pointing out where you have seen this. We do not read all the postings on the boards. Thanks.
Joe
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Salaams,
Peace everyone,
I never knew Xtians could sink this low.
And in response
I did....
I see some people are coming down on Andya Primanda, but no one is coming down on me. Well, I don't know about Andya Primanda, but I meant what I said. I have no intentions of retracting my statement either.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their system. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.They said, "GOD has begotten a son!" Be He glorified; never! To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth; all are subservient to Him.
Who is it that say that GOD has a son?? Does albion not profess that GOD has a son?
The reason that I say that they are dishonest is because they profess the most illogical belief there is....They claim that GOD has a son. Not only that, they claim that this son has died for THEIR sins!! This is the epitome of dishonesty.
I stand by what I said and I'm not the least bit concerned with what others here may think of me because of it.
I believe that Andya would be concerned for that matter!
And I have to disagree with your understanding of those Ayat, Damon. Anyway, this thread is not for that purpose or is it? Do you want all Christians to be banned or just Albion?Peace.
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People, I see that some take issue with this matter.
As of now, my experience with those who claims to be Christians on the net is mostly negative. Not just here, but also in other forums that I frequent (like EvCforum.net). Sure, I've met some of the nicer ones, but these guys don't usually flaunt their 'Christian' identity so much that talking to them is just like talking to atheists/agnostics (with whom I haven't got any bad experience with) or Muslims. The Christians that gave me some of the less enjoyable moments on the net are mostly the ones that are most proud of their 'Christian' identity, which then go on preaching & harassing people & stuff.
I don't know how many Christians lurk on this board but in the last few months the Christians we see most often here are albion (which is currently spamming and rigging votes) and Apple Pie (which is an unfair debater). I know these two are not representative of the whole. But at least one of them has engaged in challenging discussions, which I do not mind, while albion has abandoned attempts at discussion and is now just copy-and-pasting articles that has the same flavour, demonizing Muslims . It is unfair to us, IMO, because we are not the community albion's campaign is targeted, where it's a lose-lose situation for us--agree with albion and albion will claim victory, disagree with albion and albion sees us as defending things we weren't meant to defend.
I am sorry if my comment offend people. But I will not retract it for the time being--I have seen that Damon's observation of possible vote-rigging is true, and this is a cowardly behaviour.
ps As I write this a new member has just registered and the new member probably voted against albion's expulsion. Now it's 1718. I stand by my position.
List of new members registering in the last two days, without one post
fy, nothgong, Northstar1, seymor, hayes, binks, samtoloui, mansio, kasamba, Awny, sabrina, yagmur, lofty, hajih, MUHANI, rukhsana, badawi, Amjad, ginger.-Edited to remove some genuine new members-
Maybe some of these people are genuinely new members. But that doesn't refute the suspicion that some were probably albion/albion's friends registering just to vote against. If that is true, then albion breaks rule no.5
- Do not use multiple usernames.
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Salaam,
This may be simpler for me to understand. If the community Albion is targeting is not representative of you and you agree with Albion that what they are doing is wrong then how do you lose? If you disagree with him it should be for the right reasons. If you are defending something it should be worth defending.
Joe
