MANIFESTO for Islamic Reform
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Salaam Aleikum MQuran,
Interesting discussion on democracy. I return to the forum after a long absence. I have never see you so much irritated in the past.
Democracy is the system created by the Elite of the society to keep the stupid masses under their control.
Edip has the habit of running away from the debates with excuse that he has no time. Edip if you don't have time stop posting on internet and starting new topics.
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Salaamun alaikum KGB,
I find it very strange that a man like Edip,who has far more guts than myself and outed himself long ago, can turn his analytical skills towards Sunnism with devastating effect yet has no problem accepting terms like 'democracy'. Democracy, as used normatively is utter rejection of Allah's soveriegnity. Edip's bravado against the Sunnis inspired me before and seeing his obvious dogmatism against 'monarchy' against even Aidid Safar's thoughts was disappointing.
I await his book because then his thoughts will be on plain paper for all to see.
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Democracy is the system created by the Elite of the society to keep the stupid masses under their control.
So what are you then? since you can't be part of the "stupid masses" as you say! Are you the Elite also?
Democracy is goverments by the People for the People - is that not such a noble idea of government?
But Democracy is indeed flawed and in practice Democracy tend to be elected Dictatorship. Democracy is the Tyranny of the Majority on the Minority. Democracy can never be an Utopia. Democracy is the best of the worst types of Government. But the one good thing about a Elected Dictatorship is that there is possibility of removing those in power from their job by peaceful means.
Although Democracy is best of the worst types of governments, it has been very successful in delivering economic prosperity and personal liberty to the individuals. And those have adopted democracy and principles of liberty, like defeated nation Japan have achieved spectacular results.
But it is true also that economic prosperity in itself is not good indicator of good government, but democracy does give personal liberty and freedom of thought to the individual as opposed to dictatorship where you could have your head chopped off for speaking your mind!
I like to believe that democracy is flawed because human beings are flawed. Perhaps because of the flaws that democracy is appealing to humanity.
But as I said before democracy and principles of liberty serves humanity best. So I say work with democracy to make it serve humanity better.
Regards,
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Lote Tree,
I am working class person. Dictatorship or Kingdom really doesn't matter if the Dictator or King is working for the benefit the the poor common person. I am sick of listening this propaganda that democracy is the ideal system and all the Arab world must follow the western democracy which only works for the Rich and well connected people of the society.
Dr. Mahathir Muhammad is an good example to me what a sincere and honest leader can do for the nation and its people.
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Lote Tree,
I am working class person. Dictatorship or Kingdom really doesn't matter if the Dictator or King is working for the benefit the the poor common person. I am sick of listening this propaganda that democracy is the ideal system and all the Arab world must follow the western democracy which only works for the Rich and well connected people of the society.How do you get rid of King or Dictator that no longer works for the benefit of the poor common people?
Regards,
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You don't select the leader, the leader selects you by preaching and demonstrating to you the ayaat of Allah.
Ok mquran, Just walk me through the proccess that is in your head. I mean, ok there is a large ummah of muslims without a leader. How will they have a leader now. Just take me step by step.
This question gone unanswered! Yes lets hear it step by step....
Regards,
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Lote Tree,
I am working class person. Dictatorship or Kingdom really doesn't matter if the Dictator or King is working for the benefit the the poor common person. I am sick of listening this propaganda that democracy is the ideal system and all the Arab world must follow the western democracy which only works for the Rich and well connected people of the society.
Dr. Mahathir Muhammad is an good example to me what a sincere and honest leader can do for the nation and its people.
Peace KGB,
I somewhat agree with you. The common people does not care whether they're living under a dictatorship or democracy (or even anarchy) as long as they're well-fed and safe.
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Lote Tree
The answer to your question is through some pupular movement. The Kings and Dictors who don't work for the benefit of common people can't be removed from election process. Husni Mubarak is an good example of corrupt ruler. They have elections in Egypt and he always wins.
The USA democracy which they considered is good and trying to implement this corrupt CORPORATE politics in the name of democracy in Middle East will be no benefit to the common people. It will only create new professional politics who will start sucking peoples blood by lies and deception.
Saudis rulers who are White House slaves should have told American to "Shut up" instead of trying to introduce western democracy. Saudi Royal family can be popular and become the beloved leaders if they simply work for the benefit of the common people by creating jobs, by giving people freedom of speech and thought, by investing their "OIL REVENUES" in their own country instead of investing it in America.
Sadly Royal Family don't have courage because they are hypocrites and cowards like the rest of the Muslim world leaders. Malaysia is an exception and all the credit goes to the brave honest leadership of Dr. Mahatir Muhammad.
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Salaam KGB,
Mahathir Muhammad is not a leader anymore.
And what make him so special?
I have heard that he have closed his eyes for corruption and that he live in luxary.
Politician in Sweden my country they don't live in palaces they are more equal to the normal people.
Peace
Sis Majidah -
Walleikum Salaam Dear Sister SwedenMajidah,
I know that Dr. Mahatir Muhammed retired but the present Prime Minster Abdullah is following the policies set by the very honest sincere leader Dr. Mahatir Muhammad. Dr. Mahatir Muhammad critize for lots of things by the West specially America. What make him special is that he turned Malaysia from third world country into a developed nation in just 22 years. This is something which can be achieved in all the muslim world if you have sincere honest leaders.
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If a system of democracy is advocated in which the people of such a democracy can change their laws to other than found in 'al quran' then this system by default is unlikely to be recommended in 'al quran'.
In this respect, democracy (rule of majority) contains a fatal flaw.
Wakas
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SaLaM KGB and Wakas
KGB
This is something which can be achieved in all the muslim world if you have sincere honest leaders.
United Arab Emirates did it and it did it better than any arab country.
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*Salutes the flag of UAE cry
Wakas
Right now, the scenario presented to mquran is that there is already a ummah of quran following believers. Problem is, how do we chooose a leader? Im still waiting for him to answer this step by step. Just so i can understand.
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Right now, the scenario presented to mquran is that there is already a ummah of quran following believers. Problem is, how do we chooose a leader? Im still waiting for him to answer this step by step. Just so i can understand.
Where did I say this please ? This goes against my understanding of even the word ummah. You are mistaken, Jaxal.
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SaLaM mquran
Nooo IM asking to YOU. I AM saying that there is a large ummah who follows Quran and God. But they are leaderless. Now how will they chooose a leader. Im asking you to explain to me briefly step by step how a leader will be chosen. I hope you understand.
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Nooo IM asking to YOU. I AM saying that there is a large ummah who follows Quran and God. But they are leaderless. Now how will they chooose a leader. Im asking you to explain to me briefly step by step how a leader will be chosen. I hope you understand
Where is this umma of yours ? An umma of believers are uppermost in the land (4/141). I dont see any believers anywhere ?
