Nudity in the form of Art
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Dear beloved sisters and brothers,
The topic of nudity has always been disputed. Even the stories about adam and eve links nudity to shame. Some have interpreted this to mean that nudity is something to be ashamed about. May be, maybe not.
I my self had a very restricted relation to nudity. I somehow still have, but i have some better understanding for it. It is not the nudity that is the problem, it is, as brother shamsul-arefin put it, the perverted mind which is guilty.
In 3332 we se that those with a disease in their hearts, perversion, will even get the wrong idea from talking friendly. Surely one cannot forbid talking just because some harbour diseases. Though one has to take precaution, if one is near such perverted minds, its better to be careful.
In the same way, it's wrong to believe that nudity is bad, simply because it is the bad people who are "after it". However one should also use nudity in a wise way, as to protect oneself from these sickminds.
Let's suppose your nudity is like diamond. Nobody would give their diamonds in to the hands of thiefs knowingly, but that doesn't mean the diamonds are bad or evil. In the same way nudity is not evil by itself simply because it is safer to keep it hidden. One never knows who's perverted.
We also see in quran that women may relax their covering when one is with family. Why? If nudity is bad by itself, how come it suddenly becomes good or acceptable in the company of family?
It doesn't, nudity stays the same always. It is the enviroment that changes. Hence one can claim, that it is the enviroment one has to focus and fix, not nudity.
For the record, i don't like porn. I believe it is insulting to the beauty of women and all of their unique characteristics. Porn says that womens body is only for men to enjoy, i disagree with porn. Womens body was created as a whole, one cannot divide it by saying "This man can enjoy, and this man cannot". At all times, both womens and mens body should be respected and honored as a whole; in its completeness. For some, art is such a honoring, for some it isn't.
I hope i was helpful.
Nadeem.
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SaLaM nadeem
We also see in quran that women may relax their covering when one is with family. Why? If nudity is bad by itself, how come it suddenly becomes good or acceptable in the company of family?
An example would be wearing shorts. My wife can wear shorts in my house in front me. There is no sin in that. Same goes for me. But wll i allow my wife wearing shorts out in the public? No. Same goes for sleeveless shirts. Its ok in the my house. But not outside.
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Beloved Brother Jaxal,
Exactly. The enviroment in your house is much more fitted for such a dresscode, both for your wife and you. Outside, things can be dangerous.
Surely you dont believe that it is the shorts who are bad. It is rather the enviroment you want to protect her from.
Another example, if one is nude in cold weather you will get sick. However if you put on cloths in this weather, you will avoid cold much better.
But if you are nude in warm not too hot weather, you will do just fine.
Once again, it is the enviroment. Nudity is from God, nudity was even allowed in such a respected place as heaven.
However, our conditions and enviroments depends upon ourselves. We have to change.
Nadeem.
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Salam Jaxal, all
An example would be wearing shorts. My wife can wear shorts in my house in front me. There is no sin in that. Same goes for me. But wll i allow my wife wearing shorts out in the public? No. Same goes for sleeveless shirts. Its ok in the my house. But not outside.
Now I'm really surprised Brother
You like nude art and see nothing bad in it... but don't allow your wife to go out in Shorts...
OKFor me nudity and being ashamed about it becomes a problem when you have kids and and on the one hand you don't want them to be too "open" so you teach them to be ashamed in point of nudism. But on the other hand I don't want to be my kids as being ashamed as I am cause I know how it may prevent from enjoying some things. This is really not easy.
Its good that their father is more open in those things so they don't learn from only one side.However its not only education which makes us open or ashamed. But also type of charakter, I guess.
But once you are a more ashamed character, it is hard to change. And propably the other way round.
Salams
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SaLaM warda
No no its really simple. Nude Art is an art. ITs like "Mona Lisa" or "The Storm" or "The Last Supper". It is all art. But going out in shorts, thats against God. God says cover your self to both men and women. So even I wont go out in shorts which are above my knees. There are shorts which are below the knee. I have no problem if my wife wants to go out in those. Coz i would be wearing them . But i wont allow her to go outside wearing shorts which are above the knees or sleeveless shirts. I can wear sleeveless shirts coz i dont have boobies. So there is nothing sexual about me wearing sleeveless shirts.
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Salaam all especially sister warda wink and welcome to Nadeem
Nudity or til what point can you show yourbody really is a question of environment.
At my house or with other women around I'm a very free person. But not in public. when i was about 25 (long time ago shock ) i tried miniskirts which everybody wore then...i just couldn't do it - although my minis were just above the knee - not so mini...
My daughter (12) is the exact contrary. Although she's much more timid than i am she doesn't see no problem in showing her belly - becoz everybody does it at her school and they have no second thought about it. I'm afraid though of the guys in the street who have different reaction than fellow school kids...especially here in Maghreb. We found a compromise and i have her wear something around her waist - t-shirt with long sleeves or so - in order not to espose herself. Dress code is really for protection i believe and in order not to shock people which might have a different way of life - so that's what i try to explain when we discuss this subject.
But nudity in itself is not as such shameful or dirty. Everything always is in the mind.
Bye, LK
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I think the problem is not with nudity but the person who interprets it. Do you think most ppl gets aroused in the art gallery seeing a nude art ? I dont think so. Only a pervert mind would do so and no matter what a pervert mind will always find a reason to stimulate him/herself.
So which is best for us ? To open our mind or get more conservative ?
best for us is to lower our gaze .
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SaLaM TheNabi
You are right. Someone will always find the other person attractive and sexy. But im saying, its different when women wear sleeveless shirts becoz they have boobies. Men dont have them so its not obviously sexual for men to wear sleeveless shirts.
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Salaam,
I saw a man with tits yesterday. Male and female breasts are basically the same thing. Women produce milk because they will have children. Males too actually have these very same mammary glans and can lactate.
By the way, females are attracted to men with nice chests just as men tend to be attracted to females with nice chests. So I wonder if you will reconsider your position about it not being sexual in men.
Joe
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Salaam,
Hey are we not too much below the belt now?
Peace
Sis Majidah -
and also want to know ur opinions about
- posing nude for "art" .
- and what if some "artist" draws a nude painting of someone close to u , for example your wife or sis . and says "its only art!" . do u all have a problem with that or not ? no offense .
peace.
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SaLaM
Joe, bruv there is a different between man boobies and woman boobies. Lollllllllllllllll. They are not the same! ITs not the same thing!!!
Saladin, Just so you know, all the paintings i have mentioned, they were completely created out of the painter's mind. No one posed nude for them.
I dont know why anyone would pose nude for art, unless they just want it for themselves or something. Not a good excuse but still people do it. I cant really understand why.
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The artist is the creator of beautiful things.
To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim.
The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming. This is a fault.
Those who find beautiful meanings in beautiful things are the cultivated. For these there is hope. They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only beauty.
No artist desires to prove anything.
Even things that are true can be proved.
No artist is ever morbid.
The artist can express everything.
Thought and language are to the artist instruments of an art.From the point of view of form, the type of all the arts is the art of the musician. From the point of view of feeling, the actor's craft is the type.
All art is at once surface and symbol.
Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril.
Those who read the symbol do so at their peril.We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely.
All art is quite useless.
-preface to "The Picture of Dorian Gray" by Oscar Wilde
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Salam Nelke sun
My daughter (12) is the exact contrary. Although she's much more timid than i am she doesn't see no problem in showing her belly - becoz everybody does it at her school and they have no second thought about it. I'm afraid though of the guys in the street who have different reaction than fellow school kids...especially here in Maghreb. We found a compromise and i have her wear something around her waist - t-shirt with long sleeves or so - in order not to espose herself. Dress code is really for protection i believe and in order not to shock people which might have a different way of life - so that's what i try to explain when we discuss this subject.
Bye, LKSee, coz I don't wanna have discussions every day about that, I want to educate my daughter in that way that she doesn't want to wear that kind of stuff by her own.
when i was about 25 (long time ago ) i tried miniskirts which everybody wore then...i just couldn't do it - although my minis were just above the knee - not so mini...
I remember when I was young ( ? ) I mean a teenager, I used to wear tight things or mini although I didn't feel comfortable in it. But just to bee cool I weard it....so stupid!
Salam Jaxal,
Saladin, Just so you know, all the paintings i have mentioned, they were completely created out of the painter's mind. No one posed nude for them.
How do you know that?
Salams
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Salam Jaxal,
SaLaM Warda
Looking at those paintings, do u think someone actually posed for them? Do u think Mona Lisa was a real person?
?? Uff,.... I thought that the artist needs the model to paint exactly. For me it looks as if someone posed for them.And yes, I thought there was a woman posing for Da Vinci, not with exactly that smile... but a real woman. ?
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