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who is a messenger of God?

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    KGB
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    33 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

    Nazzala AAalayka alkitaba bialhaqqi musaddiqan lima bayna yadayhi waanzala alttawrata waalinjeela

    544 It was We who revealed the law (to Moses) therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.

    Inna anzalna alttawrata feeha hudan wanoorun yahkumu biha alnnabiyyoona allatheena aslamoo lillatheena hadoo waalrrabbaniyyoona waalahbaru bima istuhfithoo min kitabi Allahi wakanoo AAalayhi shuhadaa fala takhshawoo alnnasa waikhshawni wala tashtaroo biayatee thamanan qaleelan waman lam yahkum bima anzala Allahu faolaika humu alkafiroona

    Thee here refers to Prophet Muhammad (SAW). We know that law of of Prophet Musa (SAW) and Prophet Isa (SAW) were sent down to jews.

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      KGB
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      Here is another verse for the people who believe that Qur'an is centuries old scripture and was given to all the Prophets is wrong concept according to Qur'an.

      365 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?

      I am sick of all these insults directed at Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

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        KGBThee here refers to Prophet Muhammad (SAW). We know that law of of Prophet Musa (SAW) and Prophet Isa (SAW) were sent down to jews.

        KGB, humble apologies but 'thee here refers to ..' isn't good enough for me and neither that 'we know that...'. I need Quranic evidence. Whatever the case, I respect your differences with me, the important thing is that we maintain civility in our discussion.

        I am sick of all these insults directed at Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

        What insults ? Am I guilty of any insult? Please show me and I'm ready to correct myself. THanks.

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          mquran
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          KGBCan you please provide proof that Qur'an is not Allah revelation to Prophet Muhammad (SAW)?

          No I can't because I'm not asserting that it isn't. Here's how I view al-quraan

          1. I am born into the world
          2. I encounter certain things.
          3. One of those things is a book with ayaat (ayat - that which refers to something beyond itself)
          4. These ayaat convince me that this book is from Allah.

          This book would have been revealed before me, long before me for the first time. But I don't know the name of the receipient. History calls him 'Muhammad ibn Abdullah'. Ok, I don't mind using that but I wont stick by it. Its history to me.

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            MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

            You are trying to take certain words from these ayat and try to run away with it with your and Kyle's (Idolfree) understanding which is very dangerous because you two will be misguiding God knows how many who are visiting this forum.

            Can you veryify each and every word of Qur'an? Certainly not. You have to believe in the words of Allah as they are in clear verses.

            PS If anybody get offended by writing SAW with Prophet Muhammed name than I am willing to change it to Peace be upon him if English words you find more acceptable.

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              arnoldyasin
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              Not me dear KGB, peace be upon all servants of Allah....................

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                Peace be upon you KGB,

                MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

                Show one example of the PHRASE "Prophet Muhammad" )

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                  Peace be upon you Kyle

                  4829 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

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                    KGB
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                    Not me dear KGB, peace be upon all servants of Allah....................

                    Dear brother Arnold Yasin Peace be upon you

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                      7158 Say, O mankind! Indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no god except Him, He gives life and causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His Words, and follow him so that you may be guided. Al Nabi Al Umi

                      Anybody who do not believe in Muhammad (SAW) was the Prophet and Messager of Allah is not a believer (kafir). This is what Qur'an clear verses teaches me. This is no my judgement.

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                        Peace KGB. Im sorry my friend...This is your judgement of the verse....Dont speak on behalf of allah please...This is the mistake that some on this forum make....Speaking on 'behalf' of god with,such certainty....
                        Can you guarantee that in two years time you wont change your mind on your interpretation of this verse?...If you do change your mind,then just consider the offense and/or harm you might have caused by wrongly branding people as non-believers...
                        Peace all.

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                          Peace Enquirer

                          thank you for your advice. I am not changing that post. This is not single verse there are plenty of other verses which I did not quote.

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                            Peace be upon you KGB,

                            Instead of giving me a verse that does not fulfill my request, it is just best to say that it cannot be done. I will put my request here again.

                            YOU said
                            MQuran its not history which is calling him Prophet Muhmmad (SAW). Its the clear verses of Qur'an the words which are the clear proof of Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

                            To which I said

                            Show one example of the PHRASE "Prophet Muhammad"

                            Then you gave a verse that DOES NOT say "prophet Muhammad".

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                              KGB
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                              Peace be upon you Kyle

                              What are you talking about?

                              Mumammed is the Apostle of Allah. You started playing your usual word game changing the meaing. Would you accept Mohammed as Allah Apostle and Messager if I start writing it Apostle Muhammed (SAW)?

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                                unknownuser
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                                Peace be upon you KGB,

                                What are you talking about?

                                Mumammed is the Apostle of Allah. You started playing your usual word game changing the meaing. Would you accept Mohammed as Allah Apostle and Messager if I start writing it Apostle Muhammed (SAW)?

                                Lets make it easy, just underline the phrase "Prophet Muhammad" so I can see it clearly.

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                                  KGB
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                                  Peace be upon you Kyle

                                  Thats what I did Muhammad Rasool Allah. Verse 4829.

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                                    Peace be upon you Kyle

                                    Thats what I did Muhammad Rasool Allah. Verse 4829.

                                    LOL bro

                                    that was a good one

                                    cheers

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                                      Peace be upon you,

                                      And which word is "Prophet"?

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                                        unknownuser
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                                        wow

                                        there is a game of words going in here

                                        I have to watch that game, I like games of words

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                                          KGB
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                                          Peace be upon you Kyle

                                          No matter how much proof I will give you from Qur'an you will not believe it. You may be a nice decent person but according to Qur'an you can't be a Muslim.

                                          3340 Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

                                          Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman

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