How was adam sent to earth?
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SaLaM everyone
Idolfree, very interesting point of view. Thanks for sharing it. I dont agree with it, but im always greatful to learn
Pazuzu, God says 'jannah/paradise' and not 'ard/earth'. So they were in the Jannah/Paradise at some point before they came down here on earth. Then they ate the forbidden fruit and were sent down to earth. Here are the verses
"And Adam, reside with your mate in paradise, and eat from wherever you please; but do not approach this tree or you will be of the wicked."
But the devil whispered to them, to reveal their wickedness to them which was kept from them; and he said "Your Lord did not forbid you from this tree except that you would become Angels, or you would be immortal."
And he swore to them "I am giving good advice."
So he misled them with deception; and when they tasted the tree, their wickedness became apparent to them, and they rushed to cover themselves with the leaves of paradise; and their Lord called to them "Did I not forbid you from that tree, and tell you that the devil is your clear enemy?"
They said "Our Lord, we have wronged our selves and if You do not forgive us and have mercy on us, then we will be of the losers!"
He said "Descend; for you are enemies to one another, and on earth you will have residence and provisions until the appointed time."
He said "In it you will live and in it you will die, and from it you will be brought forth."'
Clearly Adam was sent down to earth. Now as you and Tay have mentioned (along with me) AND GOD and *mumbles LT that mankind was created out of mud. Im thinking, the so called big bang theory isnt wrong after all. Maybe big bang happened when Adam ate the forbidden fruite.
*mumbles LT
The other interesting question arises is that if biomolecules indeed hitched a ride on a comet then perhaps there is a possiblity of life else where in the Universe?
Indeed. Atleast i believe life is out there.
Little Green Men perhaps on a planet called zog who enjoy a bucket of KFC?
Always the funny one arent you ? loooooll. But yes, its only natural that every civilized society must have KFC. Thats like the fundamentals of civilization!!
Man was created on earth. He was not sent to earth.
PM, hmmmm. Then the question comes to mind, if Adam was created on Ard/Earth, how did he get in Jannah/paradise and back to Ard/Earth again?
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Hi Jaxal,
God says 'jannah/paradise' and not 'ard/earth'. So they were in the Jannah/Paradise at some point before they came down here on earth. Then they ate the forbidden fruit and were sent down to earth. Here are the verses
"And Adam, reside with your mate in paradise, and eat from wherever you please; but do not approach this tree or you will be of the wicked."
PM, hmmmm. Then the question comes to mind, if Adam was created on Ard/Earth, how did he get in Jannah/paradise and back to Ard/Earth again?
Dunno what translation u r following.
the yusuf ali one mentions no paradise.
here are the verses719 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
720 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before) he said "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."
721 And he swore to them both, that he was their sincere adviser.
722 So by deceit he brought about their fall when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"
723 They said "Our Lord! We have wronged our own souls If thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy Mercy, we shall certainly be lost."
724 ((Allah)) said "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
725 He said "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
726 O ye Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover your shame, as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness,- that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition!
727 O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
These verses and the one i quoted previously suggest Adam was created on earth and lived there in. So, No space trips to paradise as of yet
propbly the garden that adam lived in initially was as good as the paradise as he didnt have to fend for his needs(food, shelter, etc) as everything was made (readly) available by God. but once he disobeyed God, God took out the special privileges and adam would have to embark on the struggle to take care of his own livelihood.This being my understanding of it.
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SaLaM PM
Garden is an english translation word. The arabic word is Jannah. I dont know how to get the arabic text of the Quran so i will give you the transliteration, ok?
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Waya adamu oskun anta wazawjuka aljannata fakula min haythu shi/tuma wala taqraba hathihi alshshajarata fatakoona mina alththalimeena
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Fawaswasa lahuma alshshaytanu liyubdiya lahuma ma wooriya AAanhuma min saw-atihima waqala ma nahakuma rabbukuma AAan hathihi alshshajarati illa an takoona malakayni aw takoona mina alkhalideena
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Waqasamahuma innee lakuma lamina alnnasiheena
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Fadallahuma bighuroorin falamma thaqa alshshajarata badat lahuma saw-atuhuma watafiqa yakhsifani AAalayhima min waraqi aljannati wanadahuma rabbuhuma alam anhakuma AAan tilkuma alshshajarati waaqul lakuma inna alshshaytana lakuma AAaduwwun mubeenun
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Qala rabbana thalamna anfusana wa-in lam taghfir lana watarhamna lanakoonanna mina alkhasireena
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Qala ihbitoo baAAdukum libaAAdin AAaduwwun walakum fee al-ardi mustaqarrun wamataAAun ila heenin
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Qala feeha tahyawna wafeeha tamootoona waminha tukhrajoona
Jannah means paradise and Ard means Earth. I hope you understand now.
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hmm,may be like i said Jannah was the state of the garden adam resided initially where he had all he wanted such as water, food, shelter etc
propbly the garden that adam lived in initially was as good as the paradise as he didnt have to fend for his needs(food, shelter, etc) as everything was made (readly) available by God. but once he disobeyed God, God took out the special privileges and adam would have to embark on the struggle to take care of his own livelihood.This being my understanding of it.
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Hi Jaxal,
Am not saying the earth and heaven mean the same places.
but since Allah says, He created man on earthAl-Baqara (The Cow)
230 Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not."if God meanT Paradise here
719 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
He propably means 'Paradise like' state of earth - The Garden where Adam resided.
say when u have all that u want and feel extremely happy, dont u say u feel like u r in heaven?
so, propably a figure of speech.coz, if Adam was created in heaven and sent down to earth, there would, i guess, be a more clearer description.
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SaLaM PM
say when u have all that u want and feel extremely happy, dont u say u feel like u r in heaven?
Keyword being - FEEL. It is, as you said, a figure of spech. Also in verse , you will see God giving the command 'descend/go down' which implies they were somewhere higher (paradise/jannah) and were then sent down (earth/ard)
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hI Jaxal,
Also in verse , you will see God giving the command 'descend/go down' which implies they were somewhere higher (paradise/jannah) and were then sent down (earth/ard)
descend/go down- Cant that be a figure of speech as well?
As in ,no more free food and free elation for u, go down to a difficult world/ state where u would have to fend for ur own needs! -
Salaam,
Jannah can be paradise or garden. The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded. I take it to mean that adam/mankind are to be low because of what they have done, to decend from their higher state to a lower one. Now we must scale the heights again.
Joe
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Hi Nabi,
yeah, this is also what i have been trying to say.
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SaLaM PM and Joe
Well, very intersting point of view. Ok how about this. In the Quran God uses Adam and Nas. Adam for .. well adam. Married guy, single entity. Then there is Nas. Nas is mankind. If what you say is true, that adam/mankind is same thing, then why didnt God use Nas and rather Adam.? And also keeping in mind that God says the scripture is clear. So if God wanted to say adam, God would say adam. If God wanted to say mankind, God would say Nas.
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Hey Jaxal,
If what you say is true, that adam/mankind is same thing, then why didnt God use Nas and rather Adam.? .
wasnt Adam the first of mankind?
Didnt the rest of mankind stem from him?
and when Allah was conversing with Adam in those verses, he was the only mankind. so, he represented mankind, i'd think. -
SaLaM PM and Joe
PM God also asked the angels to bow down to adam. Do you think you are worth that? I dont think i am. So i dont think 'speaking to adam' = 'speaking to mankind'. The verses i showed you cleary says that at one point Adam was in Jannah/paradise and then he was sent down/degraded/lowered to Ard/Earth. Dont you think that it is remotely possible that Adam, at some point, was NOT on this planet AFTER his creation? I hope you understand.
The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded
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The word ihbitoo can mean go down or it can mean, be low or degraded
Isnt there a possibility that Adam was a single entitiy. That adam did eat the forbidden fruit. And Adam was sent down. From Adam we all came and are here becoz of Adam. As you said, we are bound to his pattern.
Leaving that aside, Joe can you explain to me the verses 7.19 - 7.25 using your understanding of Adam? Im interested to hear it.
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Salaam,
Sure adam could be a single entity, but that's not my belief. Adam/Mankind are bound to eat the fruit , recieve the wahi to be guided aright. Error is our lot and Allah has bestowed mercy upon Himself for our benefit. The shame or perhaps the bane of our race is such suggestive influence .
Joe
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Salaam!
If Adam was in "Paradise" up there far away and he ate the forbidden fruit and we ended up here because of that then that's Adams fault not ours so why should we be all here and punished for it. It doesn't make sense for God to punish our souls by sending us to Earth with Adam. With that kind of reasoning I'm inclined to believe at the moment that Adam was a man on Earth who had Paradise all around him and once he broke Gods command by letting the "hidden whisper"(shaitaan) take over his mentality the war started between Mankind controlling this whisper and trying to elevate to our original status which Adam was before he broke Gods command.
I don't know that's my theory at the moment I'll have to study Adam much more as like someone said its a metaphore so patience and God's guidance are needed to understand this thoroughly.
PEACE
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Hi Nabi,
I do not believe in heaven and hell.
thats a surprise. )
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Jaxal
The word "Janna" in the Koran does not necessarily mean the Paradise of the Afterlife. The root word is 'jeem' 'noun' 'noun', which actually means a covering or sheath ( mask )if you will. The word can mean any garden or forested area which covers the earth. The plural is "jannat" ( or in some cases 'jinan' ) meaning gardens or wooded fields which cover the earth or 'mask' it, so to speak.
The word 'majnoon' is derived from it. When we say that a person is 'majnoon', this means his mind has been masked or veiled, and he can't think properly.I would advise you to read the following
6141 / 1791 / and especially, 18 32-40.You will find that the word "janna" in those verses does not mean the Paradise of the Afterlife.
In my earlier reply, I stated that the Janna where Adam lived is here on Earth. There is a recent scientific theory that the first humans emerged from the thick tropical jungles of Africa and Amazonia. The Koran describes it as a paradise, because humans had all that they needed food, water, shelter from the sun, etc... They lived in these jungles and never knew thirst or hunger, cold or heat.
The word Adam is derived from the root "alif" , "dal" , "meem". ( Please refer to my post on page one ). The idea is that Adam was the name of the first race of humans ( Homo Sapiens ) who were intelligent enough to be God's vicegerents on Earth (Khalifa). This happened after eons of evolution.
The reason for the confusion is that we read the word "ard" and "ahbitoo" together in the verses.
This is how I see it
When Adam ( the race ) was in the "Janna", their number was not very great. After they disobeyed God and were banished, we see the word "ard" was used. This is to denote that the rest of the Earth - the whole Earth- will be their domain, and the domain of all their descendents ( generations ) until the end of time.
Humans began to spread and multiply over vast expanses of the planet. They were no longer confined to the "janna" . This is why God used the word "ard". I understand why you were a bit confused.The "Janna" is part of the Earth, ultimately. So if they were in this paradise, then they were definately on Earth. But the opposite doesn't hold. ( If they were on the Earth -ard- somewhere, then that doesn't mean that they were necessarily in the "Janna"
You getting this so far? winkSo they spread and scattered, and were now forced to cultivate, hunt for food, and build shelters against the natural forces.
This is what's meant by the word "ahbitoo". As member "Nabi" pointed out.
It means to move from a place of confort or freedom, to a place of slavery or hardship. ( degradation ). Please read 261 and you'll understand.As for the difference between Adam and Nas
Adam was the first race of homogenous, dark-skinned humans, which emerged from the Primordial Jungles. After they spread all over the Earth, they began to evolve into different 'races' and colors, depending on the climate and areas they settled in. Hence they became 'Nas' ( the various peoples of the Earth). I looked up the root for "nas" and I found a relation between it and "noon" "waw" "sin". which means "confusion" or "mix- up" of some sort. ( I'm not sure about this, I will have to verify it ). Anyway, the point is, NAS is used to describe various races. But the origin of these races was Adam. Science has proven that the land and climate have a great impact on the physical appearence of a race.
The verses you stated ( 719-25 ) actually happened over a period of tens of thousands of years.
Member "Idolfree" claims that the story is not literal. I respect his position.
After all, remember that the verses dealing with Genesis belong to the "Mutashabih" part of the Kitab. Each generation can interpret them according to the scientific knowledge available in their age. Maybe 50 years from now, new discoveries will be made, and they will scoff at our interpretations. Remember also that they are not essential for our salvation. You won't go to Hell for not understanding the ultimate meaning of these verses. ( Only God does )