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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I am not saying anything. This is the punishment given in Qur'an for steeling.
Please study the verse and not just look at a translation and assume its the right one. If you think cutting off someones hand is a punishment in the Quran then you may as well stick to translations of the Quran and not study the arabic behind the text. Please be open minded and study the Quran objectively and not be stuck in your own way. We're all here to learn brother.
what about other rules, some of them that i have quoted?
should we be following the principles/message behind them and make up appropriate rules or merely follow the same rules which was told to people of a very primitive age?
and yeah, if God sent Quran now, would it have appropriate rules or would it be the same?
Gods laws are clear in the Quran and are part of the literal verses as God stated and should not be taken metaphorically but literally. The Quran is for past present and future so your idea of making rules up ourself for this age is not supported by Quran at all.
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hi kgb,
Sure go ahead delete them from Qur'an. These are not my punishments. You certainly lack intelligence who do not understand what I said regarding implementing these laws.
not talking of deleting anything from Quran. the rules were propably the best for that time, those people.
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Jaxal,
I have not once said that. Whose missing the point now?
Yes, you have stated such a thing. Jaxal do you believe you should get your hands cut off?
I used to steal.
You have openly admitted to stealing. When will you report yourself to the authorities and endure the rightful punishment you deserve?
i beleived that the supermaket was being unfair by charging that much price for it. So i decided to steal and share it ith those who couldnt afford it. Like robin hood.
You say you steal because of unfair prices and to share with those who have none.
1 - You were stealing things people could live without .
2 - Does Allah condone stealing from the rich to give to the poor?
3 - You say cutting hands is "a puinishment for those like to stone monkeys". What about those who shoot others for denouncing islam or saying that people can leave islam? What makes the monkey stoner different from the sharp shooter?
Joe
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hi 2pac,
Gods laws are clear in the Quran and are part of the literal verses as God stated and should not be taken metaphorically but literally. The Quran is for past present and future so your idea of making rules up ourself for this age is not supported by Quran at all.
appropriate?
492 Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due) If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.
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hi KGB,
I will accept the verses at present time too.
ok.
Again you did not read the implementing these punishments
i did. i understand what u r stating.
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Hi PeacefulMuslim
I will accept the verses at present time too. I am not intelligent enough or have all the knowledge to call God laws cruel.
I respect your opinion and decision but keep developing yourself by reading and studying the Quran. It's not as hard as it is as people will tell you but takes time and I'm still learning )
PEACE
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Joe have i ever judged you? EVER? to the best of my knowledge, i have never judged you. You on the other hand jump on the band wagon to judge me. Why? Do you hold something against me?
Yes, you have stated such a thing.
No... go back and read what i posted. As i said before, its like you just skip over my post with an already pre determined judgment against me. This much is clear from all your posts towards me. Do this. Go back to the thread and quote ME saying that i will shoot him coz he renounced islam. if you cant, then just Shhhhhhhhhh. dont embarass urself further.
You have openly admitted to stealing. When will you report yourself to the authorities and endure the rightful punishment you deserve?
Why would you do the same? rotfl
I asked you this before but perhaps you were too embarassed to answer me. Have you lived every second of your life according to the Quran? Have you never ever made a wrong choice? ever made a mistake? like a fool you open your mouth and close your eyes. Telling me about my deeds. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH rotfl rotfl rotfl like you have never made a mistake or a wrong choice rotfl rotfl rotfl
Judge not, as you shall be judged, by God.
BTW KGB, since you talk about lack of intelligence, i suggest you read the thread by saladin and marie and put your intelligence to some use, since you think that you are the only one on this forum with any intelligence whatsoever. wink
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I swear Joe, what is wrong with you? you used to be soo good. but now its like you open your mouth and garbage comes out. Since you skipped my post ONCE AGAIN roll , I will repeat what i asked you and this time in large font. QUOTE ME WHERE I SAID SOMEONE WHO LEAVES ISLAM SHOULD BE SHOT. QUOTE ME!!!!. There, that cant be hard to miss wink
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Jaxal,
Still not answering my questions are you?
Also I said "you have". It does not mean on this thread it can be any thread. You have stated such things. If I said you have stated it on this thread that would be one thing. I said "you have stated such a thing". I even highlighted the word have in that post of mine so you would be aware of the sentence structure. Still you misunderstand what people write most likely because you do not read what is being said. Please answer my questions, I do not need to see you asking me a bunch of stuff.
Joe
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BTW KGB, since you talk about lack of intelligence, i suggest you read the thread by saladin and marie and put your intelligence to some use, since you think that you are the only one on this forum with any intelligence whatsoever.
lol
I never said anything like this ever.
I will accept the verses at present time too. I am not intelligent enough or have all the knowledge to call God laws cruel.
This is what I said. The problem with me is I stand for what is right according to the Book and say it loud and clear. I am not dipolomat and I am not politician. So don't expect dipolomacy or spining the issues to satisfy my ego. The truth always is bitter but it is good to speak truth. God will be my judge on the day of judgement.
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BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
OK OK. rotfl . QUOTE ME FROM THE THREAD YOU ARE REFERRING TO. QUOTE ME SAYING THAT THE ONE WHO LEAVES ISLAM SHOULD BE SHOT. JOE I DARE YOU. QUOTE ME SAYING THAT. rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
I do not need to see you asking me a bunch of stuff
And yet you ask me to report myself to the authorities???? WTFFFFFF rotfl . Why are you telling me something YOU YOURSELF wont do?????? rotfl rotfl
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Peace KGB
After following your posts on different threads when you say
I am not dipolomat and I am not politician. So don't expect dipolomacy or spining the issues to satisfy my ego.
I can agree with this. In fact I wish more people could do that and be to the point, or learn how to read lol
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Peace Joe,
Is there a rule for posting psychedelic smilies in patterns that mess with your head?
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Salaam Jaxal,
I see you are confusing the words denouncing and renouncing. When someone denounces something they make an accusation. The man who wrote the article said people could leave islam. You said he should be shot for that, i.e. dounouncing islam. If I would have said you said renouncing, i.e. giving up, you would have corrected me. Apparently your command of english is not so sharp.
Joe
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Peace Nadia,
Is there a rule for posting psychedelic smilies in patterns that mess with your head?
No, not really. However, it appears people do such things when they have no understanding of what is going on. Clearly Jaxal equates denouncing with renouncing. They are too different words. Renouncing is what he thinks I'm saying, when I said denouncing all along. Goes to show what happens when people do not pay attention and do not make an effort to look up words they do not understand.
Joe