End of traditional Ramadan.
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Peace,
Many people would have fasted the previous 29 days and I pray that the God has found it acceptable. As some will know there has been alot of discussion on the timing of the koranic fast based upon research over many years.
The latest and best understanding (in my view) is that this is a period of 10 days which is agreed upon by all the researchers. The timing of this has been worked out by brother Ayman through his own work to be the first full moon following the summer solstice.
I've taken the trouble to post the actual days this equates to in 2006, along with some description on the following thread for those who may be interested
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4361
Can I stress that the God allows the substituting of any other days for these because He does not wish to cause us any hardship. There is no holy or sacred time per se; and each day is equivalent as far as its merit in serving the God alone.
Therefore by agreement we can fast these days as the required 10 days without penalty (even if they are not the "right" ones - it may change with our understanding but this seems the best with present knowledge.)
Peace.
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Peace Oben,
Therefore by agreement we can fast these days as the required 10 days without penalty (even if they are not the "right" ones - it may change with our understanding but this seems the best with present knowledge.)
I agree with bro Ayman's understanding after having researched it to the best of my capability. I kept one fast after witnessing the moon on the right day, but had sunstroke the day after...(record breaking heat and no air conditioner), so I kept the remaining this month...it was convienient. So in general I would agree with your statement above.
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The thing I can't understand is that if the fast was initially 10 ten days then why would the traditionalist extend it to 30 days why burden themselves that much?...this bit baffles me...
Regard,
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The thing I can't understand is that if the fast was initially 10 ten days then why would the traditionalist extend it to 30 days why burden themselves that much?...this bit baffles me...
Regard,
I don't know if equating it to "burden" is correct. Remember that this is something that traditionalists believe brings great rewards. Where there is reward there is a desire to do more. It's religious currency - more is better in the traditionalist view.
When 'holy men' are competing to seem ever more religious to their throngs of sheep they fast one day a week voluntarily for example and attribute it to the prophet. Another begins fasting two days per week voluntarily to show their superiority and claims that is what the prophet did.
Yet another begins fasting alternate days and ascribes the practice as the usual one of the prophet David.
Soon the sheep are following suite. It's not hard to imagine the zealous increasing the number with similar reasons.
Regards.
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Peace,
Lot - it doesn't baffle me at all - the human in general likes to suffer thinking it will bring him the acceptance of god. Think of what shias and some catholics would do to their bodies roll
Personally i'm not fixed about the 10 days or one lunar month period yet - i just hope i'll be one day! - but i totally agree with truth and nadia that you can fast other days - this is last is clearly written. And also about the fact that the existing calendar system is not accurate.
LK
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Peace,
Lot - it doesn't baffle me at all - the human in general likes to suffer thinking it will bring him the acceptance of god. Think of what shias and some catholics would do to their bodies roll
LKYou right there LK!
Regards,
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The thing I can't understand is that if the fast was initially 10 ten days then why would the traditionalist extend it to 30 days why burden themselves that much?...this bit baffles me...
Regard,
I don't know if equating it to "burden" is correct. Remember that this is something that traditionalists believe brings great rewards. Where there is reward there is a desire to do more. It's religious currency - more is better in the traditionalist view.
In this context there is no burden, yes you are right...
Regards,
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Salam Truth and all,
I cannot accept Ramdan as being "a solar moon part consisting of 10 days in the summer" as Ayman claims simply because this definiton is very far reaching and has NEVER popped up until recently. Moreover some important events in my life have occured in Ramdan, the traditional month, like i first came across the mathematical miralce of the Quran in this month 2001 while i was NINTEEN. Also another girl from sweden came to acept this mathemcatical miracle this year in Ramadan and so on. But whats most important is that RK, being the first real prominent Quran Alone Muslim and a messenger of GOD claimed to have got a personal revelation during that month from GOD. Could he have lied after all the evidence which he came along with? Is it possible that GOD wouldnt clear such an important "misconception" with him during his lifetime and not leave it upto Ayman, PBM or Aidid, who are not even messengers? It doesnt make sense to me. GOD Bless! -
Man,
I can't wait until traditional ramadan is over! Somehow, it has gotten around my office that I am a muslim and everyone keeps asking "I thought you were fasting?" "Are you off tomorrow?" " Are you celebrating eid?" And I have a lot of pressure from the Sunnis....
gesh.....
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Peace Elke,
Lot - it doesn't baffle me at all - the human in general likes to suffer thinking it will bring him the acceptance of god. Think of what shias and some catholics would do to their bodies roll
LKthanks Elke for that fair, objective way of saying that comment.
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Well, Zenje,
The word on the street is that Eid Ul-Kitr is Friday, November 4th 2005. This is what I am referring to.
I guess it's the usual confusion then. They were celebrating full swing at one of the local mosques today. With food stalls and all. My wife is pissed with me for not taking a day off and going to 'celebrate' ? -
Man,
I can't wait until traditional ramadan is over! Somehow, it has gotten around my office that I am a muslim and everyone keeps asking "I thought you were fasting?" "Are you off tomorrow?" " Are you celebrating eid?" And I have a lot of pressure from the Sunnis....
gesh.....
I work only 3 days a week, but I know what you mean about people finding out you're muslim.
I fasted all minus 2 days because what I do requires that I be fully focussed (well... especially focussed) sometimes. During the whole time no one realised; and on the last day it was someone's birthday so cakes and coffees were ordered - hot chocolate for me because the secretaries know.
I could have taken it and dumped it but this is a ten dollar hot chocolate and I told them why I couldn't have it and that someone else was welcome to it. Everyone launched in with the questions and as it turned out no one ended up having the hot chocolate anyhow.
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I could have taken it and dumped it but this is a ten dollar hot chocolate...
I'd like to taste a 10 dollar hot chocolate! drool
VINCENT id you just order a five-dollar shake?
MIA Sure did.
VINCENT A shake? Milk and ice cream?
MIA Uh-huh.
VINCENT It costs five dollars?
BUDDY Yep.
VINCENT You don't put bourbon in it or anything?
BUDDY Nope.
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In the UK it was today, and tomorrow as well apparently.
Same old, same old.
MCB"]Eid announcement
Because of variations in the start of Ramadan, Eid prayers are being held on both Thursday 3rd November and Friday 4th November.So much for "the only one which is universal!" roll
