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SaLaM Tahira

Actually, i see them as nothing. They dont bother me even a bit. It is becoz i know that they have it comming on the day of judgement. And since WE know the truth, it is our job to teach our kids that from their childhood. So the age when you and I were being forced to read the Quran in arabic, we will teach our kids to understand the Quran and not merely repeat it like a parrot. This will be the difference. WE will teach our kids to turn to God for guidance and his scriptures for guidance. Not websites, an and anti islamic one at that. http//www.geocities.com/bigjaxal/s1.gif

zenje

Chapter 26
3. Perhaps you are grieving yourself that they do not become believers.
4. If We wish, We could send down for them from the heavens a sign, to which they would bend their necks in humility.
5. And not a reminder comes to them from the Almighty, except that they turn away from it.
6. They have denied, thus the news will come to them of what they used to ridicule.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Tahira,

Meaning, always be at peace. Dont let them get you all riled up. Many of us went over there for a short time, but they are only interested in thier obsession(shaytaan) of hate. They cannot effect anyone that the God has blessed with guidance, so do not despair.

unknownuser

Hi everyone. I normally don't post, just hide in the background and read your messages. But today i read something on a anti-islamic website that prompted me to write. I would like to start by asking if anyone has visted the faithfreedom.org website. I stumbled on it after trying to read about the hadith. All the material on here is clearly anti-islamic but also very dangerous and convincing to any young or confused muslims. They claim that they have converted many muslims .They don't care what religion you convert to as long as your don,t stay a muslim.This website is targeted at all muslims and uses foul language to describe Allah, theQuran and our holyProphet. It challenges all muslims(brave enough) to come forward and debate with them,has a $500,000 reward if you can convince them of islam and asks you to renounce islam if you lose.
I want to know what this and other islamic websites propose to do about this website? I mean people like Zed and Hafiz seem to be tearing each other apart here (onTrash) but have nothing to say to them. Don't you think we should be battling them first then resolving any issues we have here and anywhere else.
No wonder people(non muslims) look down on us.

peace sister

I know that web site but unfortunattly we can't do anything about it, only in the forums we can

I actually joined an anti Islam forumover a year ago with only one objective in hand to stop the anti Islam posts and educate them about the true and peacful Islam, and with determination and more importantly the help of Allah, it stopped and I even have my Islamic forum on that web site

we have to stand for our religion, it is an order in the Quran

peace to all

Tahira

Thanks guys (and gals) for lightening the load but i made a big mistake looking at the pictures on their gallery. I cried for days. I noticed most of the quotes and writings they used on their website were from the Hadith.
All my life iv'e been taught DON't do this and DON'T do that and i'll get punished if i step out of line by Allah and my parents, but all of what i was told i can and can't do was taken from Hadith. I don't know if Hadith is wrong or right but its hard when you have been brought up a certain way then you have to judge wether it was right or wrong. Any mention of hadith being wrong and you get daggers(eyes not Knives,just incase there are any non muslims reading this who think we are all terrorists). The funny thing is that when someone(an everyday muslim like myself) says something(islamic) to you and you ask if that was taken from the Quran or Hadith, they can't tell the difference. Thats why its easy for websites like these to target us.

ichephren

Faithfreedom is such a ridiculous website. When I first went there a few years ago, I cowered at their arguments, mainly b/c I was having problems as a convert and was generally questioning everything. However,faithfreedom is more of an anti-sunni than an anti-islam site. There is very little in the Quran that they can dispute, so they tend to rely more on "muslims are bad" as their motto. They also make up a lot of nonsense to defend their positions since they lack a working knowledge of islamic history. I find it extremely funny that so many there claim to be enlightened yet return to obviously wrong religions like hinduism and christianity.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

They are just as bad as sunni, they want to kill all sunnis, just like some sunnis want to kill all of them. Both sides are rejecters of the peaceful way, which is what I was showing them. Some ignored me and searched for others who they could entice into savagery. Others acted like they didnt know what I was saying and wanted to prove me wrong so they could continue thier hate.

Tahira

Thanks guys

I'm still hanging on that fine thread of Sunni or non-sunni, Hadith or no Hadith. Hadith is our way of life,part of our (sunni)religion and yet ive never understood or felt comfortable with it.
Day by day i learn something new about Hadith and the more i learn the less i like it.
Its funny though i asked my hubby if hes ever read or understood Hadith and he said never yet he still accepts it. So are we even sunni to begin with then?
The teaching of the Hadith seem to be something that might appeal to cavepeople. You know uncivilised and barbaric.
All iv'e learnt so far from the Hadith is YOU ARE BAD ,YOU ARE SINNERS, YOU ARE EVIL. Being a sunni female is like a curse.You have to get out of bed a certain way or go to toilet in a certain way and everyday human behaviour starts feeling like a burden. You can't even have a bath and come out of the bathroom without feeling guilty. Women in particular are reminded regularly on a daily basis of what kind of evils we are capable of.

zenje

Peace Tahira,

Its funny though i asked my hubby if hes ever read or understood Hadith and he said never yet he still accepts it.
This is the mentality that most of us had. Just taking things for granted and following with the masses like cattle. roll

And similarly, We did not send a warner to a town, except its carefree ones said ?We found our fathers following a certain way, and we are being guided in their footsteps.?
He said ?What if I brought to you better guidance than what you found your fathers upon?? They said ?We are disbelievers in that with which you have been sent.?
And if they are told ?Follow what God has sent down,? they Say ?No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!? What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?
And the example of those who disbelieve is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and shouts; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not understand.

Women in particular are reminded regularly on a daily basis of what kind of evils we are capable of.

Bukhari says
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 110
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar

I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things The horse, the woman and the house."

Tahira

Beautifully said Zenje

Your verse from the quran (2171) reminds me of what happens when people play chinese whispers (Like the one who reapeats what he has heard of calls and shouts) and yes they do behave deaf (ignorant), dumb(stupid) and blind (carless).

Other variations and descriptions from members are most welcome.

My eldest brother in law would ask me" are women clever in thinking like men. Can they tell the difference between bad and good,right and wrong".
He could'nt tell the difference between right and left let alone right and wrong. I don't know about other things but he definetly had a diploma for bragging.

Layth

Peace Tahira,

First of all Welcome

On the issue of Faithfreedom or the reaction of your community or family or any other people...My view is that nothing and no one should matter for us except God...We are here on Earth to serve Him and Him Alone and not to win any popularity contest or to gather a following.

Nearly all prophets/messengers were persicuted, they were hounded, they were shunned, they lost family and friends...Yet, through it all they remained steadfast to the One that matters...The One in whose hands is our destiny, our salvation.

unknownuser

"Joy lies in the fight, in the attempt, in the suffering involved, not in the victory itself" -Ghandi

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Ghandi ... heh.. heh.. love that one.. what??

Here's more of him trance

You must be the change you want to see in the world.Mahatma Gandhi

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. Mahatma Gandhi

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi,

In the attitude of silence the soul finds the path in a clearer light, and what is elusive and deceptive resolves itself into crystal clearness. Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth. Mahatma Gandhi

savage_carrot

how about a quote or two from one of the most peaceful men in current history...

How about a quote about peace?

Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum...Therefore, he who desires peace, let him prepare for war.

unknownuser

This seems a quotation thread wink

Here are mine

"To end All Wars, you need to have ONE BIG WAR" - I think Confucious.

from the film Third Man - Orson Welles?

"In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed ? they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."

I love that one...and the Gandh's Eye for Eye is my favourite too -)

Regards,

shamsul-arefin

salam,

one of my fav. stories has always been the Ghandi suger story... i'm going off of memory.. so please excuse if it's a bit off here or there.. but i think you'll get the gist...

A woman comes to Ghandi and and asks him to tell her son to stop eating suger... Ghandi thinks about it for a good while and tells the lady to come back in a week and bring her son with her again. So, she does, and when the week comes there they are again.. both mother and son in front of Ghandi... so she asks again.. can you please ask my son to stop eating suger... so this time the Mahatma simply looks at the boy and say "stop eating suger".

The mother is a bit puzzled and asks him.. why he had her come back in week just to say "stop eating suger" .. and Ghandi replies... "because last week, i was still eating suger, myself"..

peace...

LOL....I heard that story to be from muhammad??!!! shock confusing..lol

peace

nadeem

Hi everyone,

If i may, here is my quote's collection. It's with norwegian translation because copy-pasted. Hope it's okay.

Jean Jacques Rousseau

Man is born free but alas everywhere he is in chains!
Norsk Mennesket er f?dt fri men han er i lenker alle andre steder.

Erich Fromm

When people cant handle God anymore, they turn to religion
Norsk N?r folk ikke kan h?ndtere Gud lengre, snur de seg mot religion. =D>

Marie Curie

Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.
Norsk Det er ingenting ? frykte, det er bare ? forst?

Hamlet

There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so
Norsk Det finnes ingenting (som er) enten godt eller ondt, men tenking gj?r det slikt.

Elie Wiesel

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference
Norsk Det motsatte av kj?rlighet er ikke hat, men likegyldighet. =D>

Gandhi

There is enough on earth for everybodys need, but not for everyones greed.
Norsk Det er nok i verden for enhver's n?dvendighet, men ikke for enhvers gr?dighet.

It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
Norsk Det er uklokt ? v?re for sikker p? sin egen visdom. Det er sunt ? bli p?mint at den sterkeste kan bli svekket og den klokeste feile.

To believe in something, and not live it, is dishonest.
Norsk ? tro p? noe, men ikke leve det ut, er u?rlig.

Edmund Burke

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. =D>
Norsk Alt som er n?dvendig for at det onde vinner, er gode menn som gj?r ingenting.

Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.
Norsk ? lese uten ? reflektere er som ? spise uten ? ford?ye.? =D>

Pythagoras

No one is free who has not obtained the empire of himself. No man is free who cannot command himself.
Norsk Ingen er frie dersom de ikke har overtatt konged?mme over han selv. Ingen mann er fri som ikke kan beordre seg selv.

Wisdom thoroughly learned will never be forgotten.
Norsk Visdom grunding l?rt wil aldri bli bortglemt.

Write in the sand the flaws of your friend.
Norsk Skriv i sanden feilene til din venn.

Silence is better than unmeaning words.
Norsk Stillhet er bedre enn nedsettende ord.

Socrates

All I know is that I know nothing.
Norsk Alt jeg vet er at jeg vet ingenting.

Bad men live that they may eat and drink, whereas good men eat and drink that they may live.
Norsk Onde menn lever slik at de kan spise og drikke, gode menn derimot, drikker og spiser for ? leve.

I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.
Norsk Jeg vet ingenting annet enn fakta om min ignoranse.

By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. lol
Norsk For all del gift deg; dersom du f?r en god kone, vil du bli lykkelig. Dersom du f?r en d?rlig en, vil du bli en filosof.

Death may be the greatest of all human blessings.
Norsk D?d er kanskje menneskets st?rste velsignelse

He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.
Norsk Han er den rikeste som n?yer seg med det minste, da tilfred er naturen's skatt.

He who is not contented with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to have.
Norsk Han som ikke er tilfreds med det han har, vil ikke n?ye seg med det han vil like ? ha.

Let him that would move the world first move himself.
Norsk La han som vil forandre verden f?rst forandre seg selv.

To find yourself, think for yourself.
Norsk For ? finne deg selv, reflekter selv.?

Voltaire

Common sense is not so common.
Norsk Allmenn kunnskap er ikke s? allmenn.

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.
Norsk Reflekter selv og la andre f? nyte privilegium til ? gj?re det ogs?.

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
Norsk Tvil er ingen bekvem tilstand, men visshet er absurd.

It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
Norsk Det er farlig ? v?re riktig n?r staten tar feil.

No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. =D>
Norsk Ingen sn?fugg i et sn?skred f?ler seg skyldig noen gang.

Evelyn Beatrice Hall

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Norsk Jeg forkaster det du sier, men jeg vil til d?den forsvare din rett til ? si det.

Plato

No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.
Norsk Ingen er mer forhatt enn han som snakker sant.

Aristoteles

It is simplicity that makes the uneducated more effective than the educated when addressing popular audiences.
Norsk Det er enkelhet som gj?r den ikke-l?rde mer effektiv enn den l?rde n?r de taler til en stor publikum.

Nadeem Jabbar Qureshi

My greatest delusion was the belief of not being deluded
Norsk Mitt st?rste galskap var ? tro at jeg ikke var gal.

Loudthinking makes you a mindreader
Norsk variant Om du tenker h?yt, vil du h?re andres tanker ogs?

Wisdom isn't achieved by a one-night stand with the books.
Norsk Visdom er ikke oppn?dd ved en natts 'samleie' med b?kene.

Don't punish the guilty seeking to harm him, but rather to help him never transgress again.

Nadeem.

unknownuser

Those are excellent quotes young Nadeem. You got most of my favourite ones in there!!!

Regards,

nadeem

Hi LoteTree,

How are you?

I'd like to take the oppurtunity to admit that i'm fascinated by the message within these quotes and many other. I started reading a book by Socrates or Aristotles where he analyzed "dreams" and how they formed. I also took a look at some of Descartes's articles, and i was struck by their writings. Dear god, these men really were gifted. Their writings should be mandatory for everyone to read.

Will you share with me the rest of your favorites?

I'm so sorry Tahira for not sticking to your topic. Can you forgive me?

nadeem.

Vizard

"Joy lies in the fight, in the attempt, in the suffering involved, not in the victory itself" -Ghandi

I think this is very true. Both the religionist and those who oppose them taking part in such endless debates, they are living on the agitation, fueling their own sentiments.

nadeem

ps. Don't talk negatively about those at faithfreedom.com, since he who badmouths others, tells alot about himself.