To Andya Primanda and all believers in evolution
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Salam,
Can you provide evidence of a LIVING transitional form between humans and apes? If you cannot then this whole argument is nothing but conjecture or do you mean to say an ape suddenly jumped to a human i.e. punctuated equillibrium? If thts the case then it obviously doesnt make sense since it requires additional information which cannot just come out of thin air. GOD Bless! -
SaLaM idmkhizar
Actually, there is a species of monkeys by the name of homo.... something something. I will look the name up for you . This species is the closest to monkyes and humans.
Khi- Homo sapien sapien. Thats what man's called today. Is there a monkey of this type alive today and is that a transitionbal form between humans and apes? GOD Bless!
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Peace IDM,
Have you got any evidence to disregard this theory?
Nobody said it definately happened but it is one of the better explanations that mankind was 'perfected'.
Nural
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Peace Idmkhizar,
Your question is a red herring.
Can you provide evidence of a LIVING transitional form between humans and apes?
They're all extinct, bro. But we do have the bones to prove it.
Now here's a question for you
Why are we so similar, in anatomy, to apes? Is it God's sense of humor? Coincidence?Peace,
Tay -
Peace Idmkhizar,
Your question is a red herring.
Can you provide evidence of a LIVING transitional form between humans and apes?
They're all extinct, bro. But we do have the bones to prove it.
Now here's a question for you
Why are we so similar, in anatomy, to apes? Is it God's sense of humor? Coincidence?Peace,
TayKhi- Salam. See! What a silly excuse that theyr all extinct. Not one transitional form survived of the countless continium which had to be there?? This aint very logical. By the way i dont deny evolution, i deny the blind random chance evolution and that man evolved from ape like creatures. I certainly believe in self assembly of molecules and thats most probably how the universe was formed and that everything was planned and calculated aforetime. In other words the information of all ceratures plants clouds stars planets etc was their in this universe before their creation, then they assembled themselves in accordance with GOD's Plan. As to why our anatomy is so similar to apes please consider these verses
You have known about those among you who desecrated the Sabbath. We said to them, "Be you apes."
Say, "Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path."
GOD Bless! -
Peace,
As to why our anatomy is so similar to apes please consider these verses
You have known about those among you who desecrated the Sabbath. We said to them, "Be you apes."
Say, "Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path."
GOD Bless!I don't get it, are you saying that apes and pigs came after humans?!? I mean seriously, if you believe in God and everything being designed by Him, what is the problem with evolution?!?
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Peace,
As to why our anatomy is so similar to apes please consider these verses
You have known about those among you who desecrated the Sabbath. We said to them, "Be you apes."
Say, "Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path."
GOD Bless!I don't get it, are you saying that apes and pigs came after humans?!? I mean seriously, if you believe in God and everything being designed by Him, what is the problem with evolution?!?
Khi- Yes apes and swine must have come after humans. This makes much more sense to me since both are also serious nuisance makers. 2ndly theres no problem with intelligent evolution which knows where its going BUT THERES A BIG PROBLEM WITH BLIND RANDOM CHANCE EVOLUTION because the latter disregards GOD completely and mocks His Wisdom and Creative Power on top of that. GOD Bless!
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Khi- Yes apes and swine must have come after humans. This makes much more sense to me since both are also serious nuisance makers.
So your reasoning is based on degrees of nuisance?!? lol
2ndly theres no problem with intelligent evolution which knows where its going BUT THERES A BIG PROBLEM WITH BLIND RANDOM CHANCE EVOLUTION because the latter disregards GOD completely and mocks His Wisdom and Creative Power on top of that. GOD Bless!
Just because some people use evolution to disprove God doesn't mean it's incorrect...if you believe God designed everything and God is in full control, then evolution happened according to it's purpose, whether some want to call it random or some want to call it divinely ordained thats up to them. They also call the universe coming together chance...so whats the big deal? They can say what they want, doesn't make it true now do it?
Everything is controlled and happens in a controlled manner, according to processes...not magic. Evolution is one such process that is controlled though it might seem like random chance, just like the bus that ran over aunt jessie...my apologies to anyone having an aunt jessie, may God give her a long and prosperous life with no buses in sight, though that just might be why she was run over...
Do you think that God didn't know what He was creating, does He not know everything that happens?!? Is He not in full control?!? Did we just beam down to earth from some fetal repository?!?
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Peace Idmkhizar,
You stated
See! What a silly excuse that theyr all extinct. Not one transitional form survived of the countless continium which had to be there?? This aint very logical.
No offense, bro, but it seems you haven't really grasped the concept which you're arguing. Pre-human species that co-existed with humans were competing for the same resources. When this happens in nature, it is very rare for coexistence to be maintained. One species usually outperforms the other, hence driving them into extinction.
If you need evidence of this, I suggest researching Australian Tigers and the current issues with Florida Alligators for starters.
By the way i dont deny evolution,
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i deny the blind random chance evolution
me too )
and that man evolved from ape like creatures
OK
As to why our anatomy is so similar to apes please consider these verses
You have known about those among you who desecrated the Sabbath. We said to them, "Be you apes."
Say, "Let me tell you who are worse in the sight of GOD those who are condemned by GOD after incurring His wrath until He made them monkeys and pigs, and the idol worshipers. These are far worse, and farther from the right path."Ape is a generic term. Are you talking about gorillas, chimps, or orangoutangs? What species of primate are you sugeesting?
Also, the mention of "sabbath" tells us that this transformation must have happened after the establishment of Moses' messengership. Moses' birth is estimated at 1272 bc. Are you suggesting that apes have only been on this planet for 3277 years?
Peace,
Tay -
Just because some people use evolution to disprove God doesn't mean it's incorrect...if you believe God designed everything and God is in full control, then evolution happened according to it's purpose, whether some want to call it random or some want to call it divinely ordained thats up to them. They also call the universe coming together chance...so whats the big deal? They can say what they want, doesn't make it true now do it?
Everything is controlled and happens in a controlled manner, according to processes...not magic.
Khi- Salam. I know this and never denied this. But the procsses are NOT random or blind chance. Thats all i said
Evolution is one such process that is controlled though it might seem like random chance,
Khi- It doesnt seem like that to me at all. It an only seem like that to the ignorant.
just like the bus that ran over aunt jessie...my apologies to anyone having an aunt jessie, may God give her a long and prosperous life with no buses in sight, though that just might be why she was run over...
Khi- GOD controls life and death. Again thats not blind chance.
Do you think that God didn't know what He was creating, does He not know everything that happens?!? Is He not in full control?!? Did we just beam down to earth from some fetal repository?!?
Khi- Thats exactly what im saying. Hence i believe in INTELLIGENT evolution and not blind chance evolution. GOD Bless!
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No offense, bro, but it seems you haven't really grasped the concept which you're arguing. Pre-human species that co-existed with humans were competing for the same resources. When this happens in nature, it is very rare for coexistence to be maintained. One species usually outperforms the other, hence driving them into extinction.
Khi- Salam. Not all. Many adapt to their enviroment like we still have apes today dont we?
If you need evidence of this, I suggest researching Australian Tigers and the current issues with Florida Alligators for starters.
Khi- I know this happens but not to all. Otherwise there would be no more apes on the planet.
me too
Khi- Thats good. However it would then be strange for you to say that GOD created us through monkeys. This degrades GOD giving the implication that He had to practice before bringing out perfection.
pe is a generic term. Are you talking about gorillas, chimps, or orangoutangs? What species of primate are you sugeesting?
Khi- Apes in general. See my reply below now.
Also, the mention of "sabbath" tells us that this transformation must have happened after the establishment of Moses' messengership. Moses' birth is estimated at 1272 bc. Are you suggesting that apes have only been on this planet for 3277 years?
Peace,
TayKhi- This verse in the Quran is just one example of humans in a particular time being transformed to apes. Quran never says that it didnt happen before to any people. I believe it did and GOD turned many disobedient peoples to different types/species of apes and monkeys. GOD Bless!
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Peace,
Khi- Salam. I know this and never denied this. But the procsses are NOT random or blind chance. Thats all i said
All the threads that have been started by you on this topic previously, kinda baffled me with all this opposition to fossil evidence etc that I was mistaken, so it's good to know that you believe in evolution (let's not give it a label otherwise it seems that you are against evolution ).
Khi- It doesnt seem like that to me at all. It an only seem like that to the ignorant.
Yes, it depends on what one believes I suppose.
Khi- GOD controls life and death. Again thats not blind chance.
Yes, thus the example.
Khi- Thats exactly what im saying. Hence i believe in INTELLIGENT evolution and not blind chance evolution. GOD Bless!
Let's just say we all believe in evolution before the downward spiral starts again
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Salam savagecarrot,
All the threads that have been started by you on this topic previously, kinda baffled me with all this opposition to fossil evidence etc that I was mistaken, so it's good to know that you believe in evolution (let's not give it a label otherwise it seems that you are against evolution ).
Khi- Its very important to give a label as to which evolution for thats what decides whether we believe in GOD or irrationally and stubbornly submit ourselves to blind and random chance. Hence my use of the term INTELLIGENT evolution. This is indeed a marvellous process and would glorify GOD more than to say that He just put in the parts piece by piece. What is done that everything was calculated aforehand and like a miracle in itself the parts SELF-ASSEMBLED in the right way. HAd the explosion of the big bang only taken slightly less or more time the whole universe would be a chaotic mess of EVER FARTHER scattering radiation.
Yes, it depends on what one believes I suppose.
Khi- Id say it believes on rational thought in contrast to the stubborn and WILFUL rejection of GOD.
Yes, thus the example.
Khi- Ok.
Let's just say we all believe in evolution before the downward spiral starts again )
Khi- No, defining which evolution is very important for the above mentioned reasons. GOD Bless!
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Peace Idmkhizar,
Not all. Many adapt to their enviroment like we still have apes today dont we? I know this happens but not to all. Otherwise there would be no more apes on the planet.
Bro, the point is twofold, which you're sidestepping. First, humans and apes do not compete for the same food. Humans and pre-human species did compete for the same food, ie, herd animals. Pre-humans had "base camps" similar to human villages, hence they needed sites close to water, which "we" dominated.
A second point is that today we are actually competing for the same land as the modenr ape, and consequently, they are constantly decreasing in numbers, which further illustrates my point.
it would then be strange for you to say that GOD created us through monkeys. This degrades GOD giving the implication that He had to practice before bringing out perfection.
Not at all. That is your projection stemming from your opinion. Here's my opinion First, humans are not perfect. Second, apes were only one step in the evolutionary process, which started from "dust". Third, pre-human species were alive and well, roaming the Earth, causing chaos and bloodshed due to their high intelligence but still animal instincts. It was soon after that God blessed this creature with "soul" and free-will and the ability to gain knowledge.
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And your Lord said to the Angels ?I am placing a successor on earth.? They said ?Would You place in it he who would corrupt in it, and spill blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?? He said ?I know what you do not know.?How did the "angels" know man would spill blood and cause corruption if a species didn't already exist that was acting savagely?
Think about that bro.
Quran never says that it didnt happen before to any people.
The Qur'an also never says that the moon was made out of cheese. We should really stick with what the Qur'an does say.
I believe it did and GOD turned many disobedient peoples to different types/species of apes and monkeys.
And of course, you're free to believe whatever you want. But I disagree based on what is verifiable.
Peace,
Tay