To the Mods: Why is MQuran banned from the forum ?
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SaLaM stillearning
Brother you are too kind. To be honest, i used to do the same thing as mquran when i was a sunni. If others did not agree with me, then they are kafir and munafeqeen. Sad thing is, i was proud of this behaviour and i never really saw how wrong i was. Now that God has guided me to the right path, i can see clearly why that kind of behaviour is wrong. No doubt i have had a disagreement with every one i have ever held a discussion with. Even you stillearning. But becoz we are on the right path. Becoz God has guided us here. Becoz we can see through the wrong actions we commited before being guided, we have no reason to resort to calling each other kafirs and shaytan simple becoz we disagree. Its mind boggling. shock
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salaam jaxal
No doubt i have had a disagreement with every one i have ever held a discussion with. Even you stillearning. But becoz we are on the right path.
Brother you are so right. There is no one that i have not had disagreements with even my parents, wife(especially), children etc but that does not mean i dont respect them or love them any less. If any thing it helps me to become a better muslim especially if I am shown the error of my ways(believe me there have been plenty of those and will probably be many more to come).
Here is to many agreements and disagreements to come and let it not change our goodwill towards each other.Salaam and Allah Bless you
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salaam jaxal
SaLaM stillearning
Holy ...... you are married? I swear i thought you were 16
You are confusing my mental age with my chronological. But then at some point dementia begins to set in.
regards
ps. i was your age once and one day you too will be old. Time waits for no one
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salaam jaxal
O yes please dont ask my age. I cant count that far (bit embarrassing really)
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Can't we let mquran apologise and promise he won't do it again?
Can't we forgive him just this once?
It hurts inside knowing that my brother is banned even though it is temporary. i understand that his approach to some members was a bit abrupt but can't he apologise to those members and come back. -
LAYTH,
He has been temporarily banned for breach of the forum rule
Hmmm...how long was my ban to be and, more importantly, what was my infraction?
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PEACE, MEHDI,
but may i ask.. how could you be banned if you are posting? man this site can be confusing..
I simply posted under another spelling of my former user name---Dhulqarnain/Dhulqarnane. I was banned not for breaking the forum rules, but out of resentment and political difference.
and maybe i really aught to post this on your other thread you started.. for the LOVE OF GOD... PEOPLE PLEASE USE REAL NAMES! .. cause when people use names like 'truth' it really sucks to try and read drama.. you know? .. cause it's like.. truth says this.. and then like.. that truth sure sucks! .. and i'm like sitting here.. going.. what??? truth sucks? why does the truth suck? .. and then.. he's like.. no not truth.. but you know... TRUTH.. and then.. i'm all like.. what? who's truth? .. and then.. he's like... .. then.. .. she.. he.. said.. who?
I agree, it is perversion on the part of the member, who goes by the name of "truth", to use it as nickname....there is no truth in him.
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Peace,
Why the other member who constanly call MQuran barking dog did not get the same punishment?
Please provide the links and sections that were in breach and action will be taken if it is verified...Neither I nor the other mods sift through the threads of this forum looking for a reason to ban someone, but if a complaint is registered, then it will be investigated and action taken if warranted.
I would post the etiquete rules from the Scripture to remind people how God expects us to behave, but since it fell on deaf ears the first couple of times, I see nothing that has changed.
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SaLaM
Why the other member who constanly call MQuran barking dog did not get the same punishment?
Your heart cries becoz mquran was called a barking dog? And where your broken heart when other members were being called kafir, shaytan and other rubbish which YOU also have taken part in.
First of all, the whole barking dog thing was an example, give by truth i think, on another thread telling someone that barking dogs only annoy you as long as let them. I was simply giving the same example to other members.
Second of all, you say you accept the message and yet you have no problem someone calling your sister and brother in islam kafir and shaytan along with other degratory words. You have also said the same things mquran has. Where was your brokin heart when mquran was calling your sister and brother in islam kafir and shaytan. Even sunnis dont allow that. Even sunnis stand up and get in ur face if you call a sister in islam a degratory name. But i didnt see any tears from you then. I also didnt see any tears from you when YOU were calling the same members the same degratory names that mquran used. And your heart cries becoz mquran is being called a dog? serious
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Peace all,
I think everyone should start their own forum if they are not happy with the rules. The rules here are fair and mostly lax, it's only when they cross a certain limit consistently that they are enforced. I find Layth and the mods to be fair...sometimes, one's subjective view of things is different from the objective wink
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Hi all,
I think everyone should start their own forum if they are not happy with the rules. The rules here are fair and mostly lax,
I agree.
Peace!
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Hi M-Mehdi,
i agree that the rules of this forum are lax.. it's nice.. keeps the flow going...
please know.. i think it's a great idea for folks to learn how to start their own forums and aught to start their own forums in hopes to get whatever it is out of them..
but in light of Unity.. i disagree with this notion.. in order for Unity to come about we must have tollorance and love... rules help a little.. but mostly tollorance.. even more Love...But Mehdi, Its important that every one behaves in a civilized, respectful manner towards each other in order to have a constructive discussion and exchange of ideas. There is no point in going on and on with abuses and insults, when opinions differ. Unless such stuff stops, there cant be any healthy discussion.
Ofcourse we need tolerance and love for each other and for our differences, but we also need respect towards each other and humility. Whats mutual love without mutual respect?
We need rules and regulations to exsist in peace and participate, in any part of the society/community as well, dont we?the notions of "love or leave it"... are stupid.. and do not work! .. when are we as human beings going to learn there is NO WHERE TO RUN!
censorship and banning do not workMehdi, No one is saying, u got to accept a certain belief to stay in the forum. The rules only say that we ought to act in a civilized, respectful manner and thats important to participate in a discussion constructively.
as an example.. have any of you ever had a person who you disliked for one reason or another.. and then had this person leave you in life for some reason or another.. whether you left town or they left your school, or you quit your job or they got fired.. etc. etc..
until you make peace with yourself and this person... this person will keep popping up in your life... with one face or another? perhaps it's not the person who you dislike but that portion of the person inside of you.. which brings up such conflicting sentiments... ?
does this make any sense? or should i go back to sleeping on the stairs?
at one point we are going to have to deal... you know?Again Mehdi, There is no personal grudge on anyone. No body is being punished or warned for personal enemity or personal grudges. Only when their actions are at fault, they get warned or punished for their 'actions'.
So, its not about disliking a person at all.this is why banning doesn't work.. if there is a pain in your own body do you ban it.. do you hide it.. or do you find the means to cure it?
I didnt get the similarity that u r pointing at.
But while at it, even when u have pain, u do some thing about it and treat it, dont u?Peace!
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Peace Mehdi,
but in light of Unity.. i disagree with this notion.. in order for Unity to come about we must have tollorance and love... rules help a little.. but mostly tollorance.. even more Love...
Thats all very good, and in the big general picture I would agree with you, but I would like to know if you have a limits of tolerance to keep the general peace?!? For example, let's put you in a situation where there is a forum and there are certain rules of conduct...people complain to you constantly regarding one particular character who does not abide by the rules and makes life hell on the forum, what will you do? (This is not to say that you might make a forum with no rules and general anarchy would be king but for the sake of discussion)...I just want to know your point of view regarding what should be done and what it's strengths and weaknesses are as opposed to the methods being currently utilised. Not general big picture stuff but how you would deal with this particular situation (two members as of yet banned within your knowledge).
the notions of "love or leave it"... are stupid.. and do not work! .. when are we as human beings going to learn there is NO WHERE TO RUN! our world is shrinking by the second.. and the Quranic notions of moving are true.. but we must remember... Everywhere you go... you take yourself with you... .. meaning.. if you are the root of your own troubles.. no matter where it is you go... you'll be right there again...
sam reason why censorship and banning do not workEr, right...being that as it is...I think you might just be taking this a bit too far. If a person creates a forum he might envision it to work a certain way, thus he makes rules for the eventual users to pay heed to, as well as by themselves try to be mature and self realising...if this doesn't work out and there are some he deems to be the source of certain unrest after looking at the evidence, he bans him...so I don't understand, is your point that the forum should try to correct their behaviour in the ways you might envision and give these dudes some kind of psychological help and support?!?
as an example.. have any of you ever had a person who you disliked for one reason or another.. and then had this person leave you in life for some reason or another.. whether you left town or they left your school, or you quit your job or they got fired.. etc. etc..
until you make peace with yourself and this person... this person will keep popping up in your life... with one face or another? perhaps it's not the person who you dislike but that portion of the person inside of you.. which brings up such conflicting sentiments... ?
Um, not really...Whenever I've disliked someone I have realised the reasons why, and dealt with them, so I'm at peace ( I make that a priority most times to work it out to the exclusion of other stuff)...but what does this have to do with the admin banning someone because of evidence that they are troublemakers and causing unrest?
this is why banning doesn't work.. if there is a pain in your own body do you ban it.. do you hide it.. or do you find the means to cure it?
just a thought on the subject.. what do you think?
See I wasn't sure, so thats why I thought I would ask...should a forum and it's admin be responsible for curing a members personal problems and/or mindset?? I don't think thats within the scope of this forum and it's admin, maybe some members would like to take this on within the rules?
I might have completely missed the point of your post because like Elena said, there are some people I have a really hard time understanding, so I'm sorry if thats the case, please let me know where I erred. Thanks!
Nadia
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Reminds one of...
211 When they are told, "Do not commit evil," they say, "But we are righteous!"
212 In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.
213 When they are told, "Believe like the people who believed," they say, "Shall we believe like the fools who believed?" In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know. -
Peace,
a ah a... lets stop there for a second of silence! seeing the big picture is a great thing..
ok.. lets get on with it ...
Right you are...
we're talking about a message board right?? peesh ... lets just say.. i have no problems making fun of myself..
Of yourself or other people?!?
the only one i know of is mquran.. if the second one you are talking about is DHUL_QARNAIN?! which today posted about being banned... then i have to say i do not know the details of why Dhul_Qaranain was banned... so i cannot speak of it... unless you are talking about another 2nd person.. then i only know of one.. which is the subject of this thread... mquran
so regarding your question.. i would not ban mquran .. mquran has a right to his ways and his person.. the so called strengths of this are simple Nadia..
Yes those two, I also would not have banned him. He should have received a warning. This is for his particular case. But if he was to persist like the other person (before he was banned previously), even after repeated warnings, then according to the rules the banning was justified and overly lax in coming...the ban on that person now is due the fact that, the admin wanted 'one scale to judge by' and making a final ban permanent and irrevocable... otherwise all banned should be reinstated if they want and that goes against the purpose of a final ban which should, as you know, be final. This makes sense and is just. Someone else though might see it differently, but the final decision rests with the admin.
whoever mquran is.. he has expressed himself in the way he 'knows' best or he has expressed himself in the way he 'chooses' how... mquran has done nothing but expose who he is... what is wrong with that?
Since this is a forum with rules, I would expect people to comply to the rules before using it. It's not an anarchy. People should not complain after accepting the rules of what they are using. This the the crux of the issue. It's not having a forum where you can do what you want and everything will fall into place and be therapeutic to some...
the weakness of the action of banning mquran.. is even more simple... you just might make a martyr out of a weenie .... and martyrs are worst when pushed to one side...
So thats the problem is it? The sympathy he would recieve? I disagree. By that token, people can find anything to justify their ends. And I would like you to elaborate how in this specific case you envision mq turning into something worse? (y'know general big picture stuff aside).
Nadia, Layth or whoever owns this site can do as she/he pleases.. i can only speak for myself.. and i know.. banning does nothing but create the opposite effect of what you just said above... banning is not mature nor is banning self realising.. banning is shutting up a voice.. it is a form of censorship... banning can be funny .. it can be useful.. but if if banning is 'mature' and 'self realising' to you.. then please let me sing you a song
"it's yo thang.. do whatcha gonna do... i can't tell ya.. who to sock it to..." ..
do you know that song?
No and I don't want to either Back to the points, banning on a forum does exactly what it's intended to...keep the troublemakers out of it. That is the point. My quote was
as well as by themselves try to be mature and self realising
Please explain to me how you came up with I think banning is self realising and mature?!?
Banning, once again, keeps the forum orderly...otherwise you would end up with a ghost forum where nobody wants to go to discuss, because the gangs roaming the streets are virtually accosting everyone around. You still haven't answered my question btw, but according to your statements, it seems as if you favour general anarchy?? No rules, let 'em do as they choose?
my point is much more simple Nadia...the Truth is self evident.. by letting folks be who they are.. instead of trying to force folks into who you want them to be.. there is no need for as you put it "correcting their behaviour"... the so called 'correction' (just using your own word) can/may be done by the individual him/herself.. if the person is one of understanding.. and if not.. than God helps us all..
So you do favour anarchy? Or is it faith in the general populace to maintain and police themselves? Thats pretty far off from reality if you don't mind me saying so...Thats why at the end of your quote comes God help us all...yes exactly, thats why we have limits and rules, checks and balances to maintain peace and general equilibrium, not let 'em sort themselves out. We need reminders and sometimes these need to be enforced.
because by banning the person.. you no longer have the chance to make peace.. at least on this board anyway..
Oh right, thats why eh? Well if the person is something you are fighting with inside of you (acc to your quote-
perhaps it's not the person who you dislike but that portion of the person inside of you..
you deal with yourself. If not, then display a public message for them how sorry you are and all you want is peace?? idea
- The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.
So you don't see following certain rules (of a person's forum for example which everyone of us accepted when we started using it?) to have protection and protect others, just behaviour, purifying ourselves and obeying the God and His rules of conduct anywhere in the verse?!?
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Peace Mehdi,
maybe we start from the start...
That's a shame, it might seem like you want to avoid the points in my previous post wink
so what's the problem?
The problem from your side is that banning should NOT be used at all. Whereas, my opinion is that it should be used depending on the circumstances.
are you hard of reading .. it does appear that i did say 'myself'..
No, it appears that you are 'hard of' putting yourself across clearly as this was in response to my asking you "Do you have limits of tolerance to keep the general peace ?" and your reply "I have no problems making fun of myself" /
Nadia, do you have a hard time with change? Are you opposed to change? do you feel these so called "rules" of the forum are unchangable?
what is wrong with changing policy? isn't this site called "free-minds" even with a "marketing" slogan / .. of "set yourself free" .. ?
I 'feel' that these so called "rules" are FINE as they are. If you want NO banning then take your plea up with the admin (maybe start a seperate thread about changes to the rules), maybe then they can give you reasons for why or how they would/could change or not...I do NOT think NO banning works and thus am not in support of it quite obviously.
Nadia, i did not say mquran is better or worst.. i'm saying he is who he is.. and there is nothing wrong with that.. and that is why banning him was not the right decision..
Anarchist!
Nadia, to make a "martyr" out of a "weenie" is what this thread is doing... this thread itself is a shrine to the old relic.. this thread alone is self evident of my point.. no "general big picture stuff" ... just simple direct fact... because of banning mquran.. this thread was created.. that's pretty direct and to the point..
Because of banning mq, the other weenies start to complain as to how banning does not work? The rules are archaic?!? We don't need no stinkin' rules?!? Seems like it's an opportunity for the others as well eh? wink
Nadia, who is content with mquran getting banned? are you content with mquran getting banned?
i am not content.. or am i dancing over it... i said and still say.. banning and censorship do not work!
Perhaps you would look at the context at which I said it in and which previous post I was replying to, taking my words/posts out of context can be an annoying thing wink I am content with the rules as they are, sometimes the implementation can be bettered and we all learn from our mistakes.
and then i'm like... well, that's too bad cause it's like a classic..
Doesn't seem like it to me ) I think 'thang' put me off first and then 'sock'...
if you say or want to think so.. it's yo thang .. but from what i've observed, banning on message boards mostly help in only creating sterile, one sided, and some of the most boring places on the web..
From what I've observed on this forum and some others I go to is that it causes peaceful discussion and up's quality if one can just even barely be civil...thats what it's about. Talking/discussing in a mature/professional manner, not kiddie playground bully fights...thats not why I come to this forum or the others I go to...I think there are plently of other forums that can incorporate your desire for colourful multi-hued discourse...
Nadia, i don't need you or any mod to tell me who is troubling me or not on this board.. i can handle myself.. i do not complain to layth or zenji or whoever.. if i have a problem with someone i'll deal with them direct
Good for you! Just pay attention to the rules while you're handling yourself and it'll all be good.
if you need someone to protect you.. that's your guys business.. but please never use me as an example to ban anyone... or use my name as examples of why you chose to ban someone... or use me or my name as an excuse to ban anyone!
So first you post a verse that deals with believers being protectors of each other and then you say it's 'our' business wanting to be protected? I don't think the time will come where someone might use you to ban someone else...if anything they might just ban you if the evidence is against you...is that why you might be subliminally against banning? wink
as much as i understand.. and Love you all for the notions and sentiments behind such crap.. i rather have free flow...
Then you haven't really understood 'crap' as you claim.
