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    Andya_Primanda
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    Hi Jaxal,

    But were is the evidence for evolution?

    For starters, I recommend the domestic chicken, the breeds of dogs, the various incarnations of cabbage (cabbage, cauliflower, brussels sprouts), and lots more cultivated plants and domestic animals.

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      bmbmm
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      Question to evolutionist.

      Message goes from DNA>RNA>mRNA>Protein. Now through millions of years of evolution, such as fish turning into lizard, how is it possible that the fish-DNA is reprogrammed to a Lizard-like creature? In Science going from Protein>mRNA>RNA>DNA is impossible! If this is the case than how this Lizard gona breed? Even if it breeds, will its breed fish or lizards? If it breeds lizards than how it managed to alter the DNA of its offsprings?

      One should not confuse adaptation with evolution. Adaptation is just turning on/off the transcription of gene according to the enviornment. The basic genetic information the DNA stay the same, unless it is mutated by chemicals, radiation etc...

      Peace.

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        Andya_Primanda
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        Question to evolutionist.

        Message goes from DNA>RNA>mRNA>Protein. Now through millions of years of evolution, such as fish turning into lizard, how is it possible that the fish-DNA is reprogrammed to a Lizard-like creature? In Science going from Protein>mRNA>RNA>DNA is impossible! If this is the case than how this Lizard gona breed? Even if it breeds, will its breed fish or lizards? If it breeds lizards than how it managed to alter the DNA of its offsprings?

        One should not confuse adaptation with evolution. Adaptation is just turning on/off the transcription of gene according to the enviornment. The basic genetic information the DNA stay the same, unless it is mutated by chemicals, radiation etc...

        Peace.

        Um, you answered your question yourself. The ultimate source of variation is mutation, and mutation is something that happens naturally all he time. This is why we are not copies of each other each of us carry a mutation that creates small variations in our bodies.

        Do you know that the scenario of fish-tetrapod evolution has good fossil backup? Look for info on Acanthostega and Ichtyostega. These two are ancient fish that has feet. Likely to be the link between fish and tetrapods

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          bmbmm
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          Hi,

          Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

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            Hi,

            Mutations leads to errors and diseases. If I have a mutation which ultimately give rise to the development of another nose, how would that be passed on to my next child? If it doesn't then it is not evolution. Perhaps give me an example were a mutation(s) has given rise to a better change through evolution?

            Mutations is neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive in the environment. It is bad when it does not.

            As for passing your mutated extra nose? Sickel Cell Anaemia, Thalacyma etc...these are passed on to the offspring either in a dormant or active form depending on the circumstances of the parents DNA...

            Regards,

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              bmbmm
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              Peace to all.

              Were is the evidence? How is the surrounding information target to our genetic make-up, and those of our new borns? Were is the change as according to evolution occur?

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                Jaxal
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                SaLaM bmbmm

                Again, i give an example of the blacks and europeans. Blacks have a higher resistance to UV light. This is becoz of the countries they live in.

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                  bmbmm
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                  Hi,

                  Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

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                    Hi,

                    Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

                    But as I said before mutations are neither good or bad. It is only good if it allows the species to survive. It is bad when it does not.

                    So having a dark skin has some survival value in a hot country, it shields the organism from harmful radiation but no value to a an organism in a cold climate.

                    Regards,

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                      bmbmm
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                      But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

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                        But this has got nothing to do with evolution. This dark skin is a gene product.

                        This is how evolution is defined

                        It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that, Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution.

                        Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks
                        "In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."

                        • Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974

                        Is this how you define evolution?

                        Regards,

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                          Jaxal
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                          SaLaM bmbmm

                          And it just so happens that people with darker sking have a higher resistance to UV lights? I mean correct me if im wrong here becoz im no scientist. I read this in some science magazine. Your the scientist. People who live in africa where sun is always over their head, have a higher resistance to UV light. Whearas, white people dont. They go all red when in the sun .

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                            Andya_Primanda
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                            Hi,

                            Evolution can only be possible if the genetic informaiton in us change for good + this change of genetic information could be propagated or passed on to the next generation. If this is true then I will agree with the evolutionist.

                            Of course genetic information is passed on to the next generation! Check the example of domesticated animals and plants.

                            I get the idea that you're confused about basic genetics and heredity here.

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                              Jaxal
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                              SaLaM Andya

                              Are you familiar with the experiments carried out on rats. Their tails were cut off and then allowed to mate to see if their babes have smaller tails. Found out that it dont work like that. I dont know what the result of the experiment was. Do you know of this?

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                                Komla
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                                my salaam,i do support evolution,there is a verse in the quran in which Allah says that there was a span of time were the human was no even mentionable.But i just don`t accept the whole monkey bizness.Because somepeople were racist and had to put down others.

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Hello Komala,

                                  i just don`t accept the whole monkey bizness.Because somepeople were racist and had to put down others.

                                  If you accept evolution then you have to accept the "monkey" business too wink

                                  Evolution unites humanity. In fact Evolution unites all life on Earth since all life share a common ancestor...

                                  Regards,

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                                    Jaxal
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                                    SaLaM komla

                                    Those racist people forget that they were too monkeys once. D

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                                      bmbmm
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                                      Chicken is not evidence

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                                        Andya_Primanda
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                                        Chicken is not evidence

                                        Why not? Once there were no domestic chickens, but ancient farmers tamed the wild jungle fowl and breed chickens which have shorter legs, more meat, and smaller brain.

                                        And what about the other domesticated examples I put forth?

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                                          bmbmm
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                                          Hi Andya,

                                          But this is breeding, mixing of DNA, which is very different from evolution.

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