help on meat issue
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Peace all
53 Forbidden to you (for food) are dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling,
I think the Arabic word is "almunkhaniqa" not "almakhnuuqa".
munkhaniqa is suffocated; makhnuuqa is strangled.I understand from this verse that animals killed by anyway in order to eat them are halaal, except if they were killed to be eaten, but were sacrificed to other than Allah (for example slaughtered at a tomb of a wali as a fullfilment of a vow..etc). What do you think (regarding strangled and suffocated)?
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Well obviously animals slaughtered in the name of any other God is haram ! What about the sheep/cows we sacrifice on Eid to honour and remember Abraham ? Is that considered haram then ?
Personally I think it is alright to consume the meat of any permitted animal because the meat is from God and not eating it is like not appreciating Allah's meat .... However, to explain 'strangling' is somewhat difficult. Strangling is like holding someones neck etc etc and killing it forcefully ... Isnt that the way we do it? I mean hold an animals throat and kill it ? I dont know ... its quite confusing !
Also Allah knows that there will be stunning the animals in the future so if He thought that was wrong then He would have prohibited it right?
How do we know whether an animal died before slaughter?
Am I making sense here?
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Peace
Are the following killing methods allowed in Islam and can we still eat the meat ?
http//www.animalaid.org.uk/farming/meatkills.htm
From what I read on the site you provided, these are not killing methods, but a way to stun the animal before the "slaughter". Even when the stunning goes wrong, the animal is not dead but conscious. It is a further proof that supermarket meat is "halaal" to those who insist on slaughter.
Conclusion animals are slaughtered. Mind you, this is a site that condemns eating meat (and even against fish farms).
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Salaam ammar
Yeah but these stunning methods kill animals as welll, dont they ? What about when they put birds inside cages ? Apparently they die due to suffocation etc and do you think the gas chamber thing is appropriate ?
As I mentioned, I do not see that these stunning methods can kill the animal, according to the link you provided. They are supposed to make the animal unconscious so that it wont feel the pain of slaughter. The article attacks these methods not because they might kill the animal, but because, when their effect is gone as the wait is long, the animal regains conscious and would feel the pain. The gas chambers are also-as mentioned- a way of stunning, not killing.
I do not see in the qur'aan anything that prohibits stunning the animal before it is slaughtered. In fact, the way an animal is slaughtered in my country (and perhaps elsewhere in the developping world) is to slightly kick it with the knife on the backhead, thus drawing its attention away from the throught, and also that it would move its head up and backward, exposing the whole front neck. Sometimes a quick kick by the side of the palm would precede the slaughter (just as the nurse would do before injecting the needle in your muscle '() to momentarily distract the feeling of pain.
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No no I dont see stunning as a hindrance but just the fact that the animals might die before the slaughter takes place . .
Apparently in UK, the shops which sell halal meat, the meat isnt really halal. Its the same meat, the western supermarkets and restaurants sell ... Is that true ? If it is, then that means that the people who consume halal meat eat no different meat from the western people .. ?
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Apparently in UK, the shops which sell halal meat, the meat isnt really halal. Its the same meat, the western supermarkets and restaurants sell ... Is that true ? If it is, then that means that the people who consume halal meat eat no different meat from the western people .. ?
Once I entered into a halaal -meat shop and asked if they had beef.
"No, no!" The shopkeeper replied in disapproval. "We only sell halaal meat"!!
I wondered if he even knew what halaal was!Now many supermarkets in London, having discovered this Ali-baba halaal-meat treasure, are also selling "halaal meat". Just like many banks that are selling "halaal-mortgages" now in London!!
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Salaam all
iS THIS a convincing article?
http//www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=84995&version=1&template_id=47&parent_id=27
Yes; even in in the "hadeeth" you can't find that supermarket meat is haram.
However, there are two points I would like to mention
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The writer put as sub-title Strangled and suffocated animals.
The qur'aan did not speak about strangled animals at all. Allah knows what a strangled animal is in Arabic. He only mentioned suffocated animals. -
6121 the word "meat" is inserted between barckets, showing that it is an addition. Sometimes you may do that, on condition that this is the only word that would clarify a pronoun or an absent word. This is not the case here. The verse says (Eat not what Allah's name was not mentioned on). It is not necessarily meat. You should mention Allah's name when you are to eat anything, be it vegetables, fruit, sweets, meat..And has nothing to do with slaughtering but eating.
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