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    Tay
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    Peace Sawtooth,

    You stated

    To be honest, i have never laid hand on teh book. I have veiwed it on the internet but that is it.

    Honesty is the best policy.

    I have no real need for it. everything I eed to know, the creator allready gave me.

    Do you mean intellectually, or potential?

    i just have to find the right questions then unlock the right answers. that is MY path.

    How do you know if you've found the right questions?
    See, the mind is designed to answer questions. It doesn't reference it's answers, it just answers the questions. The mind requires a criterion to keep it in check. I'm not saying that there is only one criterion, but I am saying that a criterion is necessary. So what is your mind's criterion?

    What I do not understand is studying over some book (any book for that matter) to find what has already been made available to every person of every intelectual level, age, culture or geography.

    To many, that book is the criterion.

    Occum' razor. the simplest answer is often the right one.

    If the right question is asked wink

    Just look for the simplest answer to your questions.

    OK, here's a simple question Why does ice float in water?

    No need even to know how to read

    Nor speak, nor see, nor hear, nor touch, nor feel. What is really needed anyway??

    Peace,
    Tay

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      The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply

      This should be interesting... lol

      Sure, but when I have some time to waste, you are my last priority to be honest, however in my next comment I will be nice enough to give you an Arabic grammar lesson, possibly you will learn somethin

      now be patient please

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        tay
        What I mean is, that if I ask the right question, the answer will appear before me in the physical creation. It's all there. All you have to do is look, have patience, and be open to receive the answer. Asking "why ice floats" is not a question that will lead me on a greater path, but the fact that ice floats or the simple observation of an ice burg breaking away and floating out to sea may be an answer. See what i mean? you may ask why something happens, I simply look to see THAT it happens and what it has to say

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          The info posted by AP, is absolute lies and I will respond to his yet another comment full of lies but he will have only one lie this time before I terminate mt reply

          This should be interesting... lol

          Sure, but when I have some time to waste, you are my last priority to be honest, however in my next comment I will be nice enough to give you an Arabic grammar lesson, possibly you will learn somethin

          now be patient please

          Not likely, as you don't know how to reference your postion...

          Now....run along....and drive that nice shiny red car of yours....

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            Peace Sawtooth,

            You stated

            What I mean is, that if I ask the right question, the answer will appear before me in the physical creation. It's all there. All you have to do is look, have patience, and be open to receive the answer.

            But you still haven't explained what the right question is nor how one knows if the question is right. Can you give me an example of "the right question"?

            Asking "why ice floats" is not a question that will lead me on a greater path

            How do you know?

            the fact that ice floats or the simple observation of an ice burg breaking away and floating out to sea may be an answer. See what i mean? you may ask why something happens, I simply look to see THAT it happens and what it has to say

            This is inconsistent with what you said earlier about Occam's Razor and the simplest answer being the correct one. Here, you're choosing not to answer at all, but to observe. And that observation may lead you far from simple.

            I have nothing against simple observation, or better worded, observation without judgement. In fact, I'm a strong proponent of this practice, particularly, if one can practice observation without questions and answers, without thought altogether. If this is what you meant by simple answers, then I'd have to agree, but I don't think Occam does.

            Peace,
            Tay

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              sawtooth
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              I cannot give you an example. we all have our own questions and mine will not work for you. We all have a different peice of creation before us so we will not find the answers in the same way or place, BUT will will find the same answers. We were put here with all the tools, directions and guidance we need. it up to us to simply SEE it. the simplest answer is not in analisis, deep long drawn out discussions with yourself and others. The simplest answers to your most seemingly complex questions lie right in front of you, so obvious that we miss them.

              To take from a great peice of writing (paraphrasing here) why would god create a color as beautiful as purple if he did not want us to stop and appreciate it?

              Next time you have a hard question that needs answering, turn first to creation. look at it simply. see what it is, why it does what, know where it has been where it's going, then look at yourself in it. the answer will be staring you in the face. So simple, yet so exquisite. Within creation are the keys, we have just forgotten how to see them.

              this is MY way. I personally believe it possible for it to work for everyone as creation is the one universal that ties EVERYTHING together. We forget that sometimes and spend out time looking for some deeper emotional or personal connection, but creation IS the universal. We all live within it no matter what. I can't tell you how to do it, you just do it. Seek and ye shall find

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                Tay
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                Peace Sawtooth,

                Thanks for your thoughts.

                Peace,
                Tay

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                  PB,

                  Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink

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                    unknownuser
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                    PB,

                    Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink

                    AP

                    My name is AB not PB

                    and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime

                    be patient

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                      unknownuser
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                      PB,

                      Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink

                      AP

                      My name is AB not PB

                      and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime

                      be patient

                      Who ever said that we were addressing you....?

                      We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.

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                        PB,

                        Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink

                        AP

                        My name is AB not PB

                        and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime

                        be patient

                        Who ever said that we were addressing you....?

                        We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.

                        Look liar, you asked for the lesson and there is only one here who is giving you lessons, that one is me, and because you lied again I will keep you waiting for some time beffore I reply to your lies above

                        also liar you will have that one comment directed to you to expose your lies again when I desire to post it

                        after that I will never respond to you unless you address me first by "Peace Ahmed"

                        do you understand?

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                          PB,

                          Where is that grammar "lesson" you promised...? wink

                          AP

                          My name is AB not PB

                          and for the lesson, as I said you are my least priority, but the lesson will be delivered sometime

                          be patient

                          Who ever said that we were addressing you....?

                          We all know that you can't muster a referenced reply.

                          Look liar, you asked for the lesson and there is only one here who is giving you lessons, that one is me, and because you lied again I will keep you waiting for some time beffore I reply to your lies above

                          also liar you will have that one comment directed to you to expose your lies again when I desire to post it

                          after that I will never respond to you unless you address me first by "Peace Ahmed"

                          do you understand?

                          You're stalling..............................again........

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                            unknownuser
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                            Got a reply for us yet?.?

                            How is it that you claim to speak Arabic, and yet you are at a total and complete utter loss at defending your position?

                            The answers should be right on the tip of your tongue.

                            What's the matter?.can?t back up your claims?.?

                            Even ?google? can?t help you out, can it?

                            Better start stocking-up on your library of classical Arabic references. You are going to need it. Perhaps this is what you are doing right at this very moment. shock

                            Have fun?

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                              unknownuser
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                              Where is that "lesson" that you promised....?

                              Still trying to understand the Arabic that you claimed to speak? lol

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                                as i said, because you tried to be shifty and denied a comment by you that was directed to me, your status has been updated in Profiler 2006 to "Shifty" in addition to "Liar", therefore I follow what my program tells me to do, the last notification I received from Profiler was, you still have to wait a min of 48 hours

                                try to get some popcorn while you are waiting, or play gran torismo on playstation

                                PS any further disturbance by you will extend the time you have to wait, so be careful in here as I'm not bloody kiddin

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                                  as i said, because you tried to be shifty and denied a comment by you that was directed to me, your status has been updated in Profiler 2006 to "Shifty" in addition to "Liar", therefore I follow what my program tells me to do, the last notification I received from Profiler was, you still have to wait a min of 48 hours

                                  try to get some popcorn while you are waiting, or play gran torismo on playstation

                                  PS any further disturbance by you will extend the time you have to wait, so be careful in here as I'm not bloody kiddin

                                  Just how many more pathetic excuses can you pull out of your hat...?

                                  Bring forth your "grammar lesson" like you promised.

                                  Unless, of course, you don't comprehend the Arabic that you claim to speak.

                                  Our position stands unrefuted.

                                  You have no choice but to accept that that the "god" that you worship is actually a plural entity, as stated in sura 81...

                                  Have fun while you wait for your reference material to arrive in the mail... wink

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                                    Here we go,

                                    I like Profiler, very accurate indeed, after feeding your last comment, it came back with this

                                    the moron who wrote that comment must now wait 72 hours

                                    bad luck

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                                      Here we go,

                                      I like Profiler, very accurate indeed, after feeding your last comment, it came back with this

                                      the moron who wrote that comment must now wait 72 hours

                                      bad luck

                                      Maybe you can use the time to buff your car.

                                      We all know that you don't know Arabic.

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                                        Profiler advice

                                        "The moron now must wait 80 hours"

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                                          unknownuser
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                                          Profiler advice

                                          "The moron now must wait 80 hours"

                                          And yet....he continues to slavishly make up even more excuses...even after he repeatedly stated that he would not respond...

                                          Face it....all of your so-called "arguments" fall flat.

                                          You don't comprehend classic Arabic.

                                          Period.

                                          Nor do you want to.

                                          You cannot even defend your over-sized-fonted posts.

                                          Each and every one falls completely to pieces when challenged.

                                          We can all see this for ourselves.

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