Harun Yahya
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As Salamu 3aleykom!
I came across the website of Islamic author Harun Yahya which contains full-length PDF's of his books as well as video and audio lectures. Although he does not reject the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), most of his lectures and books are derived from Quranic sources and are very well forumulated and inspiring. May Allah (SWT) bless all of you.
http//www.hyahya.org/
DCS
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Harun Yahya is a pseudonym (pen name) for a sexual predator named Adnan Oktar.
See http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80&highlight=adnan+oktar
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=59256#59256
And finally an article by Edip Yuksel that relates to this charlatan Adnan Oktar.
http//19.org/index.php?id=14,335,0,0,1,0
Regards.
Harun Yahya or Adnan Oktar The Promised Mahdi?
Adan Oktar, who later started using the nickname Harun Yahya, was my apprentice in mid 1980's. In our first meeting, I was a famous Sunni author and political activist, and he was an unknown Sunni zealot influenced by the books of the Kurdish Mullah, Said Nursi. At that time, my books were making editions after editions and I had hundreds of thousands readers, yet I had no special group of mine. He was not famous then, but he had a few dozen followers among university students. He was in his late twenties, a college drop-out, unemployed, and was living with his mother in an apartment located in a middle class neighborhood at Ortakoy, Istanbul. He had a long black beard, soft voice, smiling face, childish jokes, and most importantly a well calculated plan for his assumed mission.Edip Yuksel
The following article is mostly a personal critcism of a public figure. However, I am not committing the logical fallacy known as ad hominem, since the attack is relevant to the argument and is justified. After reading the article, you will decide it for yourself.
Adan Oktar, who later started using the nickname Harun Yahya, was my apprentice in mid 1980's. In our first meeting, I was a famous Sunni author and political activist, and he was an unknown Sunni zealot influenced by the books of the Kurdish Mullah, Said Nursi. At that time, my books were making editions after editions and I had hundreds of thousands readers, yet I had no special group of mine. He was not famous then, but he had a few dozen followers among university students. He was in his late twenties, a college drop-out, unemployed, and was living with his mother in an apartment located in a middle class neighborhood at Ortakoy, Istanbul. He had a long black beard, soft voice, smiling face, childish jokes, and most importantly a well calculated plan for his assumed mission.
Adnan was mixing mysticism with scientific rhetoric and presenting it gently and in a modern fashion to the children of the privileged class, without intimidating them. He was a refined and urbanized version of Said Nursi. Ironically, unlike beardless Said, he was fond of his well-groomed stylish beard. (Religious clerics, on the other hand, managed to grow ugly-looking beards by cutting their moustache short and shaving their hair, resembling Franciscan monks). This proved to be a magic solution. He would always keep a certain distance between himself and his followers and would treat them as if they were his children, though he was only seven or ten years older than them. He would pat the heads of his young pupils and encourage them to work for the mission and they would accept this charming and patronizing treatment with delight. He was targeting the university students and especially the handsome children of the rich and affluent. They would pull each other to the circle.Meanwhile, when I was doing my mandatory military service in Samsun in 1986, I started communicating with Rashad Khalifa. After several rounds of hot snail-mail discussions and upon reading his landmark book, Quran, Hadith, and Islam, I decided to dedicate my religion to God alone. I shared my newly discovered faith with my close friends, including Adnan Oktar. He was very receptive. He would frequently ask me questions and convey the information to his followers. He was trying his best to keep our meetings secret from his followers. Then I did not know the reason, and I did not care much. I thought he was considering my style too bold and my culture too rural. He was right when discussing political or religious issues, I did not care much about people's cloths, wealth, or their personal feelings. But in retrospect I know the real reason behind this secrecy he was thinking that my presence would jeopardize his charisma and dilute his influence over them. He wanted his followers to think that he was receiving a special information or inspiration from God. He did not know Arabic but he was clever enough to dupe the unquestioning gullible followers and give them the impression that he knew a lot. He was considering me as a potential rival in his mission.
To my dismay, later I discovered that his interest in the message was not prompted by his philosophical quest for truth but by his pragmatic strategy for his political ambitions. He thought that he could use it easily to attract the children of the rich people who had modern life style and culture that was incompatible with the medieval Arab culture which was promoted by the teachings of Hadith and Sunnah. He was extremely obsessed with recruiting the handsome children of the rich people wearing expensive cloths. He was not interested in guiding poor people.
After discovering his intention and his deep belief that he was the promised MAHDI, I cut my relationship with him in 1988. Soon after this, he turned back to his Sunni roots and market. To expose his real face, I had secretly recorded one of my last conversations with him, but later I gave up releasing it. I just did not feel comfortable with the secrecy of my act. I had given the tape to Mustafa and Yelda ?ahin, two of his former followers. However, after I was forced to immigrate and start a new life in America, I learned that the tape was handed to Giri?im, an Islamist magazine directed by Mehmet Metiner. The magazine published the transcript to warn Sunni Muslims against Adnan's Machiavellian politics. In the taped conversation I was reprimanding him for cooperating with Sheikh Nazim of Cyprus who had influence among some wealthy British Muslims. He was apologetic and was justifying his relationship for purposes of using Nazim's influence. I warned him against for such tactics, since I always believed that honesty is a necessary characteristic of being a Muslim. The transcript of this conversation is available on the Internet and was also posted in Turkish forum of www.19.org or at http//www.kurannesli.org/bilgibankasi/yazi.asp?id=441 A funny portion of the conversation reveals the childish tactics used by Adnan Oktar to recruit members for his cult. In that portion I was criticizing him for preferring the wealthy. (The transcript refers to Adnan Octar with acronym A.H. for Adnan Hoca, pronounced Hodja, meaning religious teacher)
A.H.- For instance we purchase a shirt, paying five times more. When the guys see the shirt they come after us.
E.Y.- Alright, I understand; but a person coming because of a shirt will escape because of another shirt.
A.H.- No, they cannot escape; they cannot escape!
Unveiling Adnan's secret relationship with me and his hypocrisy in his relation with Sunni leaders, in a normal world would mean that he would too be the target of a major attack, threats and excommunication. Surprisingly, despite this scandal, he continued to become a rising star in Sunni market. He was once secretly teaching his followers that Mustafa Kamal Ataturk was the prophesized DAJJAL (deceptor) and later he embraced him for political reasons and declared him a great hero. He is now playing a double game to appease the Turkish oligarchy he is exploiting Ataturk-worship, and to exploit the Muslim market he is indirectly giving the message that Ataturk was a disbeliever. He played the game of double-speak pretty successfully so far. Adnan has danced among many contradictory positions, but the single conviction he has maintained since early 1980s is "Adnan Oktar is the promised MAHDI."When I was trying to convince him about the message of the Quran Alone he did not insist nor even defended any traditional Sunni precepts, with the exception of hadiths about Mahdi. It amazed me for a short while to see him trying to strike a compromise with me regarding this issue. He wanted me to accept his conversion to the Quran Alone together with his belief about the promised Mahdi. I tried to tell him that the Hadiths about Mahdi were among the most fabricated and unreliable Hadiths, even according to the lousy standards of Hadith experts; they were fabricated by the supporters of Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties to promote the interest of the sultans. To him MAHDI (that is his leadership) was the most important subject. His take on Masons and Zionists is just a strategy to get him an international fame and popularity to finally announce his mission to the world. His cult resembles the modus operandi of Moon or Scientology cult targeting affluent people and exploiting their resources.
We met each other in prison too. In December 3, 1986 I was imprisoned second time for promoting a theocratic revolution in Turkey via the first volume of my best-selling book, Interesting Questions. Though I had written that book before my conversion from Sunni Islam to monotheistic islam, the book was not reflecting my hard core revolutionary ideology; it contained some mild hints and innuendos. But, this was sufficient for the government to imprison me since (unaware of my radical transformation) they were trying to deter me from engaging in open and underground political activities.
I met Adnan in the prison clinic. I was taken there by the doctor who happened to recognize me from my books and conferences; he wanted to save me from the crowded ward which was filled with convicted murderers and burglars. Adnan was there for a different reason, a much different one. He was acting like a paranoid schizophrenic in order to get medical report to dodge the draft. It was ironic, since he was indeed mentally sick; he was a delusional megalomaniac, yet he was cunningly acting for another mental illness. He was successful; he dodged the draft and since then he has been found lacking mental capability to be the subject of criminal law. So, he is getting away with sexual abuses, fraud, libel, blackmailing schemes, and other criminal activities. If Adnan has demonstrated a miracle as a Mahdi, this must be his miracle he is officially insane and criminally teflon!
Though Adnan is a lay person by academic standards, he is a gifted manipulator, a patient and highly skilled team manager he uses various highly efficient psychological devises and marketing gimmicks to depict his image as a divinely ordained leader with a great mission. It would be in the best interest of the na?ve and young pupils to join his cause, since soon he will be ruling the entire world and they would be his lucky and powerful aids. Besides, the cult provides a holy club for the children of the rich and well connected; they also get second-hand girls as a fringe benefit. In turn they lose their freedom and part of their identity; but we know that millions of people are ready to trade those precious rights and values to join a cult or a religious organization. Though the dates for victory he has given have been extended several times, who would not be the secretary or the spoke person of the long-awaited great ruler of the entire world? If it is not in 1999, then the victory would come in 2005, or in 2014.... The Jehovah Witnesses have extended the end of the world several times in a century, and Adnan, as I know him, is no less talented than them. After his death, his followers will have enough experience to keep the enthusiasm of the army of the Mahdi until the end of the world! An army comprising of rich, educated and devoted cult members who are experts in cutting and pasting, clipping and editing, in putting together the plagiarized pieces like a jig saw puzzle, and are generous in presenting them to masses under the name of their leader, yes this army is a powerful force. But, there is always the risk of getting into a holy fight for leadership after the Mahdi.
Adnan's relation with me became the topic of articles and political analyses in Turkish media, books and magazines (for instance, see Ayet ve Slogan by Ru?en ?ak?r, a prominent Turkish journalist), and his frequent turns and twists have been well documented in Turkish media, such as Hurriyet, Milliyet, Radikal, Sabah newspapers. Many of his followers left him with disappointment; but each time a group left him, he was somehow able to maintain his cult by attracting fresh blood from gullible youth ready to become the future rulers of the globe as Mahdi's close assistants. His former followers were intimidated and blackmailed in sophisticated ways and occasionally in Mafia style. They work like a professional intelligence agency with covert operations and misinformation campaigns. Their habit of getting what they want via blackmail, slander and libel put them in trouble with high ranking Turkish politicians several years ago. As I said above, Adnan showed his miracle his medical report regarding his mental illness not only saved him from mandatory military service but also from the criminal prosecutions.
Adnan is not formally educated, neither in science nor in religion, and he is not capable to understand the depth of subjects that are presented in books and videos carrying his nick name. Therefore, you never see him in public debating with experts. A single public discussion on a TV channel would be enough to turn him to the proverbial Naked King. And he may consider this article as my challenge for him I am ready to meet him in a live debate on TV.
Adnan uses proxies and gets credit for everything. He uses his medical report and gets away for any criminal charge. There are a lot to learn from Adnan Oktar or the exploiter of the names of two messengers of God, Harun and Yahya! His followers, mostly educated and rich, yet gullible youngsters, work day and night to prepare books and videos mostly plagiarized from works of western scientists and artists. In the end, those collaborative and plagiarized works are all together credited to Harun Yahya. Thus, Harun Yahya is a brand name, an artificial name aimed to boost the personal agenda of Adnan Oktar. For instance, in 1990's many of the books credited to him were written by his former follower Metin Kimildar who also used the nick name Cavit Yal?in. (Where are you Cavit Yal?in now?! Are you now renting your nick name as a portal for Harun Yahya's websites or is it taken away from you?). His former student Mustafa Akyol, who has long time declared his freedom from the Adnan Oktar wrote most of the books on Evolution. Mustafa Akyol is now a prominent figure in Intelligent Design movement. Unfortunately, his books are published under the pen name Harun Yahya and credited to Adnan Oktar. Like many of Adnan's former students who know well the dirty tricks of their former master, Mustafa Akyol too is trying to forget the days when he was a young and naive university student.
Adnan Oktar strongly believes that he is the MAHDI (the Sunni and Shiite imitation of Messiah) and he has a powerful charisma, the pool of unlimited gullible rich people and a market of more than a billion individuals easily impressed by the work of his followers.
Knowing him before 1990s, I could not believe that he would be indulging in promiscuous sexual activities, since at that time he was a devout Sunni who was very scrupulous about interacting with women. He would not even shake hands with women. However, according to the media reports and published confessions of his former followers, Adnan has evolved and transformed since. His sexual abuse of girls around him has been the frequent topic of Turkish media and acknowledged by the defectors. He reportedly claims right to have sexual intercourse with every female member of his cult. He has even invented a name for those females MOTOR (engine). Reportedly, his male followers are feeling lucky in letting him taste their girl friends first.
For recruiting new members and promoting his brand name, he uses sex, money, popular symbols, and famous people. But the main tool he uses is deception, yet I think he does the deception "righteously", that is for a good end! He justifies his deceptive propaganda by the abused Quranic word TAQIYYA (this holy hypocrisy is a part of belief system of Shiite sect!) After learning Rashad's claim of messengership and his argument regarding the definition of Rasul and Nabi, Adnan assumed to be a messenger and expressed this belief to his closest circle. I think later, to be able to access the one-billion-head Muslim market, he went back to his original claim of MAHDI. There he could exploit to the bone. (But, his picking Harun Yahya as his nickname indicates his deep belief in his messengership. Why? Well, here is a clue because of his ignorance of the Quran, he thinks that Harun was not given any book, so according to him Harun was a messenger but not a prophet!)
It is a shame to see modern Muslims are duped by this cult leader like their ancestors duped by Ebu Hurayra and the ilk, and it is a shame that the books and videos falsely attributed to him are so popular in Muslim bookstores like the hadith books falsely attributed to Muhammad are so popular. These books and videos are mostly plagiarized collections of western work that mixes truth with falsehood. Science is mixed with pseudo-science, such as ignorant criticisms of the theory of evolution. The message of the Quran is mixed with fabricated hadith, such as the identity and adventures of the Mahdi.
Knowing the history and the success of many delusional people among the gullible, the popularity and success of this man is no surprise.
(The Turkish version of this article is available at http//19.org/index.php?id=66,193,0,0,1,0 )
PS Adan Oktar has sued me in a Turkish court for defamation. Through his attorneys he asked me to delete this article from the world of Internet. I rejected his request, since I can prove every claim in this article through media and live witness testimony.
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Peace brother,
Evolution and creationism arguments aside, his works concerning uncontestable mainstream Islamic thought, in my opinion, do not contain any bias or libel and warrant reading.
I do not know much about this Edip Yuskel fellow, however, I hardly think he is one to be debunking divine leadership myths or lecturing on cults. If I recall correctly, Rashad Khalifa (whom he was closely associated with) was accused and tried on accounts of sexual harassment of a 16 year old girl.
Although some of Oktar's books concerning science are highly contested and many (most likely) liberally plagerized, I hardly think that Edip Yuskel is in a position to defame his character. I don't know the beef these Turks have with each other, but I can only bet mud slinging and exaduration have been present on both sides of the argument.
Regards,
DCS
O you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful. And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another. Would one of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother? You certainly would hate this. You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, Merciful. (4912)
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Peace brother,
Evolution and creationism arguments aside, his works concerning uncontestable mainstream Islamic thought, in my opinion, do not contain any bias or libel and warrant reading.
I do not know much about this Edip Yuskel fellow, however, I hardly think he is one to be debunking divine leadership myths or lecturing on cults. If I recall correctly, Rashad Khalifa (whom he was closely associated with) was accused and tried on accounts of sexual harassment of a 16 year old girl.
Although some of Oktar's books concerning science are highly contested and many (most likely) liberally plagerized, I hardly think that Edip Yuskel is in a position to defame his character. I don't know the beef these Turks have with each other, but I can only bet mud slinging and exaduration have been present on both sides of the argument.
Regards,
DCS
O you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful. And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite one another. Would one of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother? You certainly would hate this. You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, Merciful. (4912)
spot on bro
peace
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Peace all,
About Harun Yahya's political stance, as far as I remember he took a strong stand against Osama-style terrorism. However I cannot support him for his misguided attacks towards evolution, and I'm also suspicious of his matter=illusion philosophy. All in all, HY is not a person I respect.
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Peace be upon you all,
I dont feel any way about Harun Yahya, I am only interested in the information presented being true or false, but I have enjoyed many of his articles/videos. Good food for thought on his sites.
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Yeah i guess its easy to slander one of the greatest islamic scholars and call him a sexual predator and everything else you could come up with.
It easy to do that and still argue that you are muslim and ofcourse its easy to do that then add your own perverted propaganda to replace his unselfish wisdom.
harunyahya.com is a great site by a great man. hundreds of books for free, he doesn't need your money. This is a man who tries to save those he can, not for the rewards of this life but the next. a great scholar.
Its really muslim like of you to slander him with peadofile acts. Shows exactly that you are not muslims.
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Peace be upon you,
You sound very emotional Morbid. The "scholars" must not have taught you that being at PEACE is the key to successful life.
Where is the example of how you are acting in "Al -Quran"?
If you think we are ignorant, why not leave us with the greeting of "Peace"?
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peace
sometime back i was becomin an atheist started questioning Allah s existence , but somewhere in my heart i knew Allah existed
i waz in a total confused state of mind at tht time
but then my eyes fell on harun yahya s book "allah is known for a reason"
i read only one chapter n trust me tht time i realised tht nothin abt God could be more convincing then this
atleast this guy harun yahya makes us realise he uses simple scientific facts like big bang , photosynthesis ect which we already learned in school to prove his point ,he makes us think abt these things the way in which we never thought before
the facts are in front of us but this guy makes us think it as a creation of Allah ,
stil many pple call him liar and say tht he is scientifically wrong well by the way he uses those facts which have already been thought us in school then how can he be wrong
n besides all his books , videos , audio tapes ,presentations ect are on his website for FREE i think this guy most be earning more then enough money by selling his books , i myself have seen his books in virgin book store n many other book stores , still he has put his books on the net for FREE ,atleast i wouldnt pay money n buy his books if they are already available on the net for free, how many pple think like me n this way how much loss he would suffer, why for wht is he doin this ?think abt his intenstions , think abt other muslim scholors who write books n become famous like harun yahya with their work would they keep their books for Free?
well i respect this guy from my heart it is he who bought me back to faith by Allah s grace and thanks to Allah tht i read his books tht i am back to faith ,atleast he made me think abt creation in a different way
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Harun Yahya's work is great.
Good people, devoted to God's service are always slandered and abused by those who wish to live lives according to their whims.
Just look into history, the Quran gives many examples of upright righeous people who were abused.
May God bring more people to His way through Harun Yahya's work.
We should never accept any slander from any body against Harun Yahya. His work is filled only with good.
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As a scientist I cannot say Harun Yahya's work is great. His misguided attacks on evolution are filled with misinformations, out-of-context quotes, and accusations.
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Peace,
I'd just like to say that, as a Turk, I have come across this 'man' before. He is part of a mafia, has ripped off pieces of work, and has been involved in a lot of shady affairs. As has been a growing trend these people cover up their tracks and just throw money at a problem and evidences and accusers just seem to dissappear.
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For all those who have benefitted from "Harun Yahya" know that the man Adnan Oktar is not responsible.
Read carefully the following excerpt from above.
Adnan is not formally educated, neither in science nor in religion, and he is not capable to understand the depth of subjects that are presented in books and videos carrying his nick name. Therefore, you never see him in public debating with experts. A single public discussion on a TV channel would be enough to turn him to the proverbial Naked King. And he may consider this article as my challenge for him I am ready to meet him in a live debate on TV.
Adnan uses proxies and gets credit for everything. He uses his medical report and gets away for any criminal charge. There are a lot to learn from Adnan Oktar or the exploiter of the names of two messengers of God, Harun and Yahya! His followers, mostly educated and rich, yet gullible youngsters, work day and night to prepare books and videos mostly plagiarized from works of western scientists and artists. In the end, those collaborative and plagiarized works are all together credited to Harun Yahya. Thus, Harun Yahya is a brand name, an artificial name aimed to boost the personal agenda of Adnan Oktar. For instance, in 1990's many of the books credited to him were written by his former follower Metin Kimildar who also used the nick name Cavit Yal?in. (Where are you Cavit Yal?in now?! Are you now renting your nick name as a portal for Harun Yahya's websites or is it taken away from you?). His former student Mustafa Akyol, who has long time declared his freedom from the Adnan Oktar wrote most of the books on Evolution. Mustafa Akyol is now a prominent figure in Intelligent Design movement. Unfortunately, his books are published under the pen name Harun Yahya and credited to Adnan Oktar. Like many of Adnan's former students who know well the dirty tricks of their former master, Mustafa Akyol too is trying to forget the days when he was a young and naive university student.
Adnan Oktar, the creator of the pseudonym "Harun Yahya" is taking credit for the work of his followers.
It can't get any clearer than that. Adnan Oktar is a despicable person.
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Here is my story of realization of Harun Yahya work.
When I first started searching for the truth, I came accross Harun Yahya books in my local mosque book store. I instantly love it becasue of all the nice pictures and really nice cover and print quality. I said "Finally". Then I start reading his books and found his website. The thing I like about his books was he mostly quoted the Quran verses and I love that.
As my knowlege grew, I started reading other materials especially from toluislam and freeminds. I realised that something wrong about his concept and his strong believe on "Jesus will return and Mahdi" I got suspicious and started researching in Quran and other poeple work I finally realized these concept are embedded in Christine doctrine and hadith material. Then I ask myself. How can this "honest" and "sincere" believer can advocate these concept as QURANIC?
I listened to his pretty much all his audio lectures when driving. I must admit there are great information there. I started examining his work critically afterward. His book on "Miracle of Quran" and Video was very beautifully structured and I love it. Some of those miracles mentioned in the book was I read them somwhere else too. Immediatly, I realised that all this beautiful work is done by other researcher of Quran, he just complied them into his book in one place.
I started to see the pattern here, especially his evolution books. That's all he is doing Complile bit and pieces and presenting them as his books.
I used to wonder How this guy mananged to come up with more 200 books and book after book. and Bingo I got the answer. If you just compile INSTEAD of actually Authoring and doing any reasarch, you certainly can.
In conclusion, He is a COMPILER NOT a AUTHOR. One can still benefit from his compiled work like in the case of "Miracle of Quran". My suggestion do your own critcal research and trust GOD for true guidance.
Kashif
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Peace
even if he is a compiler, I'm sure he spends a lot of time in qualifying it then present it in one subject, his great work can't be denied though, it is sort of unity between muslims who work for him, however I'm totally against his secterian belief including Mahdi and the retrun of jesus, i may lean to believe in the return of jesus a bit due to one clue in the Quran, nothing more
Please be aware, Ightiab is a great sin in Islam, it means talkin g ill about another muslim to defame him/her, IT IS NO NO uness there is a danger from that person that we should warn each other from, but anyone who says there danger from H Y, must be a jealous freak, leave the guy alone he does not want anything from anyone it is us that we go and read his compioled work
peace
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however I'm totally against his secterian belief including Mahdi
If you bothered to read the article above you would realise that Adnan Oktar not only believes in the return of the Mahdi - he believes that HE IS THE MAHDI!
Please be aware, Ightiab is a great sin in Islam, it means talkin g ill about another muslim to defame him/her, IT IS NO NO uness there is a danger from that person that we should warn each other from
Would you say that calling someone else a 'jealous freak' based on your misinformation 'ightiab'?
, but anyone who says there danger from H Y, must be a jealous freak,
So there is no danger from someone claiming to be THE "Mahdi", who abuses their position, who is a proven molestor of female members of his following? I'd like to see you send your daughter to Adnan Oktar in that case.
leave the guy alone he does not want anything from anyone
He wants more than you know.
People, here is an allegory of HARUN YAHYA. If there was a church in your neighbourhood that chose the name "Harry Young Church" and they had a priest leading them by the name of Aden Oscar. Say his flock was very committed and compiled books on behalf of the church and did good works individually. Say then tha the leader was a megalomaniac who took all the credit for this work and on the side slept with any of the girls and women in his flock.
Would everyone call that a righteous church?
So it is with Adnan Oktar and his organisation "Harun Yahya".
Don't be appeasers; don't support what is wrong.
We don't believe in mahdis or the need for them, we do not believe in taking advantage of people sexually, we do not believe in deception and stealing others work.
Peace.
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however I'm totally against his secterian belief including Mahdi
If you bothered to read the article above you would realise that Adnan Oktar not only believes in the return of the Mahdi - he believes that HE IS THE MAHDI!
i never read that he claimed to be mehdi
Please be aware, Ightiab is a great sin in Islam, it means talkin g ill about another muslim to defame him/her, IT IS NO NO uness there is a danger from that person that we should warn each other from
Would you say that calling someone else a 'jealous freak' based on your misinformation 'ightiab'?
nice try lol , Ightiab MUST BE DIRECTED AT A SPECIFIC PERSON "IN HIS ABSENCE" TO DEFAME HIM/HER
I defamed no one body
, but anyone who says there danger from H Y, must be a jealous freak,
So there is no danger from someone claiming to be THE "Mahdi",
I don't think so, but you have to prove he claimed as such, as fair as I know he didn't
who abuses their position,
what position exactly?
who is a proven molestor of female members of his following?
i would be careful to claim as such on someone witout providing a single evidence, this is what I call ightiab
I'd like to see you send your daughter to Adnan Oktar in that case.
my daughter is taught Ilsam by muslim women in australia, there is no need for me to send my daughter to a man to teach her Islam, the muslim women can do a far better job for our children
leave the guy alone he does not want anything from anyone
He wants more than you know.
well, time will be the only proof
People, here is an allegory of HARUN YAHYA. If there was a church in your neighbourhood that chose the name "Harry Young Church" and they had a priest leading them by the name of Aden Oscar.[
Say his flock was very committed and compiled books on behalf of the church and did good works individually. Say then tha the leader was a megalomaniac who took all the credit for this work and on the side slept with any of the girls and women in his flock.Would everyone call that a righteous church?
no, but you have to prove you claims before you spread it, otherwise it is Ightiab
So it is with Adnan Oktar and his organisation "Harun Yahya".
Don't be appeasers; don't support what is wrong.
i don't support him, i only support his work that is valid from my perspective
We don't believe in mahdis or the need for them, we do not believe in taking advantage of people sexually, we do not believe in deception and stealing others work.
sure we don't and I donlt think he did any of the above and still going stronger and stronger, if he is a deceiver, time will tell and he can't escape Allah
Peace.
Regards
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His former student Mustafa Akyol, who has long time declared his freedom from the Adnan Oktar wrote most of the books on Evolution. Mustafa Akyol is now a prominent figure in Intelligent Design movement. Unfortunately, his books are published under the pen name Harun Yahya and credited to Adnan Oktar. Like many of Adnan's former students who know well the dirty tricks of their former master, Mustafa Akyol too is trying to forget the days when he was a young and naive university student.
Adnan Oktar, the creator of the pseudonym "Harun Yahya" is taking credit for the work of his followers.
It can't get any clearer than that. Adnan Oktar is a despicable person.
Peace truth,
I've actually been contacted by this Mustafa Akyol some time in the past, when my counter article was still hot. We conversed through e-mail a few times and I must say that apart from our differences regarding evolution he's a pleasant person.
I don't quite catch the info you quoted. Has he broken away from the HY group, and what's his position now, is he still anti-evolution? ANd most important, how do you know about this?