gay people and islam
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Hi jonny_k,
A child needs both parents, male and female, in order to develop a healthy psychology in life and this is a fact nobody can deny.
I agree. A perfect environment for a child to grow would be in the midst of 2 compatible and loving parents.
A child growing up with only a mother misses somnething and one growing up with only a mother misses something.
May be so but then again not necessarily so.
And again 'missing' something doesnt make the environment unsafe for the child to grow in. Single parents who happen to be responsible and loving bring up their kids pretty well.A child growing uip with two mothers or fathers would get psychic. GOD Bless!
This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Peace!
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Hi idolfree1,
Is life all about plugs and sockets?
Is there more to life?Yes, there is much more to life, unfortunately however, we are talking about SEX, not the broad topic of Life. Thats the mistake that happens everytime with this topic, it gets off track with "love" and 'rights' and so forth. This is about SEX, and plugs go in sockets by DESIGN D
O, r we? I thought we were talking of homosexuals.... as in individuals(who happen to have sexual inclination towards members of the same sex). R we discussing the sexual act itself? But I thought topo's posts have been about 'dont discriminate homosexuals, tolerance for homosexuals, and dont abuse homosexuals etc ', So, where r we discussing the methods of sex by homosexuals?
And anyways, why should we talk about their sexual act? So, u dont think its natural or normal? Fair enough. But if 2 consensual partners are biologically inclined to feel so, why are we to be concerned?
We can only get concerned if the act harms those involved or others. Does it?
O well, u might say the action itself is sinful no matter how normal or natural its for them. Why not let God decide that? He would judge every act, every belief of every soul taking into consideration every tiny factor and judge in the most fair way. So, lets leave it to Him to judge how wrong the act is.
Actually , life is about "plugs" and "sockets" now that I think about it. The God created ALL THINGS in pairs, remember?
There is a yin and yang to all things. Thats how one can become balanced.By 'plugs' and 'sockets', I think, u r implying the physical body, right? In that case, life is much more than plugs and sockets. Definitely.
Yeah, God created all things in pairs.......The same God created hermaphrodites.......... The same God created Homosexuals. So, Now what shall we do?
And who knows...Homosexuals might have yin & yang too?wink
Peace!
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Peace be upon you Joe,
Not to be rude but I think some males of the gay community can find alternative sockets for their plugs.
I was trying to find an emoticon for throwing up, but couldnt
But yes, that is true, however, when the orgasm happens, we once again see how God's design shows objectively the purpose. The sperm will never reach thier intended home in any other socket Just like plugging my toaster into the sand brickwall
lol
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But yes, that is true, however, when the orgasm happens, we once again see how God's design shows objectively the purpose. The sperm will never reach thier intended home in any other socket D
Yeah, but thats when the intention is to create a child.
Its not always about creating a child.
Even in vaginal sex, How does the sperm reach the destination when a guy uses condom? or when the female uses one?And I bet, Homosexuals are well aware that their sperm wont reach the destination by anal sex wink
Peace!
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This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Hi Peacefulmuslim, I agree you should look for truth. But the truth say its wrong. Do you agree? Simple question.
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Peace
Why not let God decide that?
I believe it has been done. The mathal of the coupling God has decided upon is that of a cultivating . I find there are too many examples of the society God has intended that one should still question, after reading the reading, that homosexuality is averse to the deen.
This reading has been called alfurqan, that is, the criterion, for it provides the means of distinction according to God's judgement.
Joe
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But the truth say its wrong. Do you agree? Simple question.
Truth says what is wrong? And how? Care to explain?
Peace!
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Hi bmbmm,
Common don't be sarcastic. Is homosexuality wrong as according to the Quran?
Sarcastic? ) U picked up an inappropriate reply. Coz what u quoted was my words about children becoming psychic.
Anyways, to ur specific question, I understand there is a disapproval to the homosexual act in Quran. But could it be possible that the disapproval is for those heterosexuals chosing to be homosexual? I dunno yet. Was God adressing people(the minority) who were born biologically like that? were the people in the whole town that was destroyed born as homosexuals? Does God say anything about hermaphrodites as well? I am just thinking out loud here. I have many questions with regards to homosexuality and Quran, and that will need more studying. Like I said, I dont know how this goes. But I would like to approach the subject without preconcieved notions and in an unbiased manner. I dont want to be judgemental without gaining adequate knowledge and understanding of the subject from and outside of Quran.
And moreover lets think beyond the act itself. There is more to people than their sexual orientation and sexual preferences.
Peace!
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In response to sister peacefulmuslim last comment
Allah was clear that NO HUMAN DID THIS EVIL ACT BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF LUT, I.E IT IS A HUMAN INVENTION BY SUBMITTING TO SATAN, this alone should refute those muslims who are in favour that it is genetic because there were generations before the people of Lut and no one did this evil act ever as Allah is telling us in His Quran
80- We also (sent) Lut He said to his people Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81- For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.
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Peace
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Peace "PM",
This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
Peace!
JK- If not psychic then their life bcomes misreable, they become drug addicts, murdeeres, looters, fraudsters , etc. Dont you see how this sexuality including premarital sex has led society to ruin. There was time my grandpa in Germany remebers where you could leave the keys in thecar and nobody would steal it. At that time hs and all this garbage were banned. Now the US is awakening and the days of Darwinism and hs would soon be over. The devil has had his 150 yrs of miserable corruption and now it's time to blow him off once and for all with reason and logic. Finally believers have the means to speak and while it is still difficult for many to do so in colleges it is becoming easier day by day as more people are coming towards GOD and i believe finally theyll also believe the Quran Alone to be the Word of GOD. GOD Bless!
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
In response to sister peacefulmuslim last comment
Allah was clear that NO HUMAN DID THIS EVIL ACT BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF LUT, I.E IT IS A HUMAN INVENTION BY SUBMITTING TO SATAN, this alone should refute those muslims who are in favour that it is genetic because there were generations before the people of Lut and no one did this evil act ever as the Allah is telling us in His QuranI wouldnt put it down as genetic but biological. That again is only a propability but a good propability.
And do 'aberration of normal' have to occur in every generation to be true? Were there hermaphrodites at the time of Lut? Any mention of them in Quran? Again, I am just thinking aloud.80- We also (sent) Lut He said to his people Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81- For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds
Could it be that these people chose homosexuality over heterosexuality?
And thats why they are being warned?Peace!
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Peace "PM",
Sarcastic? U picked up an inappropriate reply. Coz what u quoted was my words about children becoming psychic.
Anyways, to ur specific question, I understand there is a disapproval to the homosexual act in Quran. But could it be possible that the disapproval is for those heterosexuals chosing to be homosexual? I dunno yet. Was God adressing people(the minority) who were born biologically like that? were the people in the whole town that was destroyed born as homosexuals? Does God say anything about hermaphrodites as well? I am just thinking out loud here. I have many questions with regards to homosexuality and Quran, and that will need more studying. Like I said, I dont know how this goes. But I would like to approach the subject without preconcieved notions and in an unbiased manner. I dont want to be judgemental without gaining adequate knowledge and understanding of the subject from and outside of Quran.
And moreover lets think beyond the act itself. There is more to people than their sexual orientation and sexual preferences.
Peace!
JK- I believe that inside your heart you know that hs is totally wrong. Once a homo came into the clinic of my mom here in germany to get a treatement(not related to hs). My mom asked him whether he believed deep in his heart whether what he was doing is right or wrong and he answered that he felt it was wrong. We could also use the lie detector test on homos. Attach them to this device and ask them the same qs my mom asked and then we may get a step further. Anyways i gave you the statistics of how harmful hs is to the society as a whole and at least that should have awakened you. The Quran is clearly against hs and it doesnt talk about those whor born in that way or not SINCE NO ONES BORN A HOMO. This garbage is ONLY UTTERED BY HOMOS THEMSELVES AND THOSE PAID TO SUPPORT THEIR AGENDA. I, JONNY K, WAS ABOUT TO BECOME A HOMO TOO, YOU KNOW and it wasnt because i was born with that. But the feelings came up. I felt that it was satan. I even got zoophile thoughts you know, the feelings came up and i was seeking excuses from Quran to do it but deep in my heart i knew THAT THESE WERE GARBAGE SATNIC THOUGHTS and i can only thank GOD for guiding my rightly and not falling into this trap. GOD Bless!
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Hi jonny k,
This, I think is ur preconcieved notion. U should look around for truth. Check out for urself. Do children brought up by homosexuals become psychic?
JK- If not psychic then their life bcomes misreable, they become drug addicts, murdeeres, looters, fraudsters , etc.
I think, u r stretching it way toooooooooo far. How many drug addicts, murders, looters, fraudsters that u have known or heard of had homoseual parents? U r mixing 2 completely different issues here.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with crime.This is what I meant approaching the subject with bias. U have a preconcieved idea that they are wrong and so, they easily become the reason for all the wrong in the society? Is their any basis to this claim that children grown out of homosexual households become criminals or psyche? This is an emotional response not a logical one.
Dont you see how this sexuality including premarital sex has led society to ruin
Pre-marital sex, extramarital sex, swingers, group sex etc , I agree, are harmful to the moral structure of the society.
Peace!
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Hi AhmedBahgat,
In response to sister peacefulmuslim last comment
Allah was clear that NO HUMAN DID THIS EVIL ACT BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF LUT, I.E IT IS A HUMAN INVENTION BY SUBMITTING TO SATAN, this alone should refute those muslims who are in favour that it is genetic because there were generations before the people of Lut and no one did this evil act ever as the Allah is telling us in His QuranI wouldnt put it down as genetic but biological. That again is only a propability but a good propability.
Hello
any compelling evidences that it is biological?
And do 'aberration of normal' have to occur in every generation to be true? Where they hermaphrodites at the time of Lut? Any mention of them in Quran? Again, I am just thinking aloud.
I know that you are thinking loud, but the Quran is louder here, it clearly said NONE did this evei act, it never said or inclined what you are thinking loud of
80- We also (sent) Lut He said to his people Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
81- For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds
Could it be that these people chose homosexuality over heterosexuality?
nothing in the Quran that suggest your loud thinking, what the Quran was loud about that it normally exculdes the sick people if an order was given, like participating in war or even fasting but in this verse and all the vesres about homsexuality IT NEVER SAUD EXCEPT THOSE BIOLOGICALLY WRONG DESGINED HUMANS
And thats why they are being warned?
Peace!
ok so you are leaning to think that the warning is only for the hetros? well for me it can't be "logically speaking" because there is nothing in the Quran that suggest you loud thinking, sorry
just the act of inserting a male sexual organ in the anus that Allah desgned to exrtact the shit, is on its own merit disgusting, filthy, animal act and very dirty
I can;t believe that some humans may think Allah created us this way, this is totally bizzare and no evidence whatsoever to support, it, I may add further articles, as I debated homsexuality for long time
peace
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any compelling evidences that it is biological?
Check this
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=73899#73899And like I said its a propability.
And as for the rest of ur post, I see its quite an emotional response.
Peace!
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Peace "PM",
Sarcastic? U picked up an inappropriate reply. Coz what u quoted was my words about children becoming psychic.
Anyways, to ur specific question, I understand there is a disapproval to the homosexual act in Quran. But could it be possible that the disapproval is for those heterosexuals chosing to be homosexual? I dunno yet. Was God adressing people(the minority) who were born biologically like that? were the people in the whole town that was destroyed born as homosexuals? Does God say anything about hermaphrodites as well? I am just thinking out loud here. I have many questions with regards to homosexuality and Quran, and that will need more studying. Like I said, I dont know how this goes. But I would like to approach the subject without preconcieved notions and in an unbiased manner. I dont want to be judgemental without gaining adequate knowledge and understanding of the subject from and outside of Quran.
And moreover lets think beyond the act itself. There is more to people than their sexual orientation and sexual preferences.
Peace!
JK- I believe that inside your heart you know that hs is totally wrong. Once a homo came into the clinic of my mom here in germany to get a treatement(not related to hs). My mom asked him whether he believed deep in his heart whether what he was doing is right or wrong and he answered that he felt it was wrong. We could also use the lie detector test on homos. Attach them to this device and ask them the same qs my mom asked and then we may get a step further. Anyways i gave you the statistics of how harmful hs is to the society as a whole and at least that should have awakened you. The Quran is clearly against hs and it doesnt talk about those whor born in that way or not SINCE NO ONES BORN A HOMO. This garbage is ONLY UTTERED BY HOMOS THEMSELVES AND THOSE PAID TO SUPPORT THEIR AGENDA. I, JONNY K, WAS ABOUT TO BECOME A HOMO TOO, YOU KNOW and it wasnt because i was born with that. But the feelings came up. I felt that it was satan. I even got zoophile thoughts you know, the feelings came up and i was seeking excuses from Quran to do it but deep in my heart i knew THAT THESE WERE GARBAGE SATNIC THOUGHTS and i can only thank GOD for guiding my rightly and not falling into this trap. GOD Bless!
Thanks bro for you honest comment
God Bbless
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Peace "PM",
I think, u r stretching it way toooooooooo far. How many drug addicts, murders, looters, fraudsters that u have known or heard of had homoseual parents? U r mixing 2 completely different issues here.
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with crime.JK- lol lol lol One has to be really naive to think that. A lot of crime occurs exactly because of sexual orientation. I can give u an example of my own self. The following ONLY occurs in my thoughts but that is enough to show how dangerous it is. When i get these sick thoughts of hs for example then feelings develop first i may be the light polite one enjoying it and then become the "man" so to say by insertiing and violently doing it giving a damn about the germs and the STDS which could be trnasferred from one person to another. Yes i myself loose control and then all i wanna do is have sex sex and more sex. Ofcourse thanx GOD this only occurs in thoughts but it can cause addiction and if i go in that direction i might never return. More and more pleasure leads to alcohol, drug abuse, etc. Im honest enough to admit this so that you may learn and stop this nonsense. Stop making excuses for devilish activities. Moreover hs is a crime in itself for various reason i stated here already and you still ignored the statistics.
This is what I meant approaching the subject with bias. U have a preconcieved idea that they are wrong and so, they easily become the reason for all the wrong in the society? Is their any basis to this claim that children grown out of homosexual households become criminals or psyche? This is an emotional response not a logical one.
JK- I can tell this from my own personal thoughts and the way they go when hs or other such things come into my mind. I think you should look at the stats list i posted.
Pre-marital sex, extramarital sex, swingers, group sex etc , I agree, are harmful to the moral structure of the society.
Peace!
JK- So is hs. GOD Bless!
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The Disease-Ridden Homosexual Lifestyle
Using various mainstream medical journals, like the New England Journal of Medicine, one can show just how seriously disease-ridden the "homosexual lifestyle" is. (The fact that the dominant media are downplaying or ignoring the following crucial information should give you a clue as to just how biased and untrustworthy and potentially detrimental they can be.)One 1982 study found that the anal cancer rate for homosexuals is way above normal, maybe as high as 50 times normal.
And a 1997 study again drew attention to the "strong association between anal cancer and male homosexual contact."
(The reason for the connection is that the lining of the anus, as opposed to the much thicker lining of the vagina, is only a single cell in thickness, tears easily, and thus is an easy point of entry for viruses and bacteria. Just as repeatedly assaulting lung tissue with cigarette smoke increases one's lung cancer risk, repeatedly damaging the anus and rectum increases one's anal cancer risk. Anal sex frequently results in damage to the anus and rectum. Too, this helps explain why AIDS is spread so easily in the homosexual community. However, even when there are not any tears in the anal lining, there is still a high risk for HIV infection because certain cells in its mucous lining can be infected and will then carry HIV deeper into one's body.)
Another study found that
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80% of syphilitic patients are homosexual;
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about one-third of homosexuals are infected with active anorectal herpes simplex viruses;
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chlamydia infects 15% of homosexuals; and
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"a host of parasites, bacterial, viral, and protozoan are all rampant in the homosexual population."
Another study found that
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amoebiasis, a parasitic disease, afflicts around 32% of homosexuals;
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giardiasis, also a parasitic disease, afflicts 14% of homosexuals (no heterosexuals in the study were found to have either amoebiasis or giardiasis);
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gonorrhea afflicts 14% of homosexuals; and
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11% of homosexuals had anal warts.
Another study found that anorectal sepsis, a potentially toxic bacterial infection, is 4 times more common in homosexual than heterosexual men.
According to another study, the "prevalence of EBV type 2 among homosexual men was significantly higher than it was among heterosexual men (39% vs. 6%)."
(That virus causes infectious mononucleosis and is associated with two types of cancer Burkitt's lymphoma and nasopharyngeal carcinoma.)
And other studies have found abnormally high rates of hepatitis B infection, prostate cancer, colitis, enteritis, proctitis, and proctocolitis in homosexual men.
In 1997 a writer for the pro-homosexual New York Times noted that a young male homosexual in America has about a 50% chance of getting H.I.V. by middle age, that many homosexuals have abandoned "safe sex" in favor of unprotected anal sex, and that the incidence of gonorrhea rose 74% among homosexuals between 1993 and 1996.
In early 2005 the Chicago Department of Public Health reported that the percentage of Chicago AIDS diagnoses connected to homo/bisexual men increased from 37% in year 2000 to 44% in 2003; and it also found that homo/bisexual men accounted for approximately 60% of Chicago syphilis cases.
Regarding lesbians, they face a higher breast cancer risk. One study of lesbians found that
"Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant.... Not having children increases a woman's breast cancer risk by between two to six times." Not having children also "may be a risk factor for ovarian cancer and may be implicated in endometrial cancer as well."
Another study found bacterial vaginosis occuring in 33% of the lesbians but only in 13% of heterosexual women, and found that "Cervical cytology abnormalities were uncommon but only found in the lesbians." (Those abnormalities may be precursors to cervical cancers.)
Another study of lesbians found a "relatively high prevalence of the viral STDs, herpes simplex and human papillomavirus ."
And according to another "Genital HPV infection and squamous intraepithelial lesions are common among women who are sexually active with women."
(One reason lesbians have a relatively high incidence of STDs is that, as some studies have documented, lesbians have more sexual partners than heterosexual women. For example, a large University of Chicago study concluded that lesbians have four times as many sexual partners as straight women.)
It should be noted that lesbian sexual diseases have not been researched nearly as much as male homosexual sexual diseases. This is because lesbian sex was presumed to be relatively safe. Some doctors are fairly calling for more research into the health of lesbians. With more study, we may find the "lesbian lifestyle" is not so safe after all.
Another relatively unknown fact the blood of male homosexuals tends to be so contaminated with various viruses and bacteria that all male homosexuals who have been sexually active since 1977 are barred from donating blood.
A contributing factor to all the diseases found in homosexuals is habitual promiscuity; and a contributing factor to their promiscuity is the popularity of drug use among them. As a homosexual columnist for the Windy City Times, Jose Zuniga, has reported, there is "out-of-control drug use undermining our community's health and well-being, and contributing to the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases."
Homosexual author Dennis Altman, in one of his books, likewise noted the popularity of drugs among homosexuals "What is disturbing is the degree to which much of the gay world rests on a sea of alcohol and drugs."
Liberals and their media love to restrict the rights of consenting adults who smoke (because smoking can be harmful), who drink alcohol (for obvious reasons), who own guns (because accidents and murders happen), who believe homosexual activity is immoral and penalizeable (because liberals mistakenly think that there is a right to aberrations like homosexual behavior and also think that any "speech" that reflects negatively on homosexuals----like the information you are reading on this website----should be considered "hate speech"), etc., etc. Liberals love to patronizingly restrict our freedoms ("for our own good").
However, liberals apparently believe it's perfectly okay for people to spread sexual diseases all over this country. Why, we can't restrict the rights of people who spread STDs! That's oppression and fascism! Liberals are such hypocrites.
Incidentally, spending on AIDS research is excessive, totally out-of-whack, unconscionably unfair--and homosexuals are so selfish they don't care. In the year 2000 America spent around $180 million on prostate cancer research versus around $7 billion on AIDS research, but the number of men who are stricken with prostate cancer each year in the U.S.A. is several times the number of people annually stricken with AIDS!! And in the year 2000 we spent only around $425 million on breast cancer research versus the $7 billion on AIDS research, even though the number of women who are stricken with breast cancer each year is again several times the number of people annually stricken with AIDS in this country!! It's pretty clear that homosexuals care little about those who die of prostate and breast cancers and other diseases that are relatively underfunded compared to AIDS. Where is their humanity and sense of fairness?
Another point that needs making homosexuals have done much damage to this country. For example, thousands of innocent hemophiliacs died of AIDS in years past because HIV-positive homosexuals infected the blood supply. (In 1984 "the Centers for Disease Control found 74 percent of hemophiliacs who received blood factors made from the plasma of U.S. donors were HIV positive.") And for another example, we are spending millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on anti-AIDS drugs for homosexuals who voluntarily engaged in unsafe sex. Because of these outrages homosexuals collectively owe America an apology and reparations for the damages.
To sum up, for various reasons (homosexual acts are physiologically unnatural, homosexuals are inclined to be notably promiscuous), the "homosexual lifestyle" tends to be a very unhealthy one--unhealthy both to individuals and to the society that indirectly pays for or suffers the consequences. To encourage anyone to engage in homosexual activity is clearly irresponsible and depraved.
References
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Council on Scientific Affairs, "Health care needs of gay men and lesbians in the United States," JAMA, May 1, 1996, p. 1355.
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M. Frisch and others, "Sexually transmitted infection as a cause of anal cancer," N Engl J Med, Nov. 6, 1997, p. 1350.
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S.D. Wexner, "Sexually transmitted diseases of the colon, rectum, and anus. The challenge of the nineties," Dis Colon Rectum (EAB), Dec. 1990, from the abstract, p. 1048.
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J. Christopherson and others, "Sexually transmitted diseases in hetero-, homo-and bisexual males in Copenhagen," Dan Med Bull (DYN), June 1988, from the abstract, p. 285.
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N.D. Carr and others, "Noncondylomatous, perianal disease in homosexual men," Br J Surg (B34), Oct. 1989, from the abstract, p. 1064.
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D. van Baarle and others, "High prevalence of Epstein-Barr virus type 2 among homosexual men is caused by sexual transmission," J Infect Dis, June 2000, from the abstract, p. 2045.
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K.S. Lim and others, "Role of sexual and non-sexual practices in the transmission of hepatitis B," Br J Vener Dis (B40), June 1977, from the abstract, p. 190.
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J.S. Mandel and L.M. Schumann, "Sexual factors and prostate cancer results from a case-control study," J Gerontol, May 1987, from the abstract, p. 259.
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Council on Scientific Affairs, op cit, p. 1356.
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Sheryl Gay Stolberg, "Gay Culture Weighs Sense and Sexuality," New York Times (late edition, east coast), Nov. 23, 1997, section 4, p. 1.
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Jim Ritter, "Breast cancer risk higher in lesbians," Chicago Sun-Times, Oct. 16, 1998, p. 50.
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Council on Scientific Affairs, op cit, p. 1355.
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C.J. Skinner and others, "A case-controlled study of the sexual health needs of lesbians," Genitourin Med, Aug. 1996, from the abstract, p. 227.
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A. Edwards and R.N. Thin, "Sexually transmitted diseases in lesbians," Int J STD AIDS, May 1990, from the abstract, p. 178.
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J.M. Marrazzo and others, "Genital human papillomavirus infection in women who have sex with women," J Infect Dis, Dec. 1998, from the abstract, p. 1604.
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E.O. Laurnarm and others, The social organization of sexuality sexual practices in the United States, U. of Chicago Press, 1994.
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Jose Zuniga, "Viagra Vexation," Windy City Times, May 28, 1998, p. 14.
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Dennis Altman, The Homosexualization of America, the Americanization of the Homosexual (NY St. Martin's Press, 1982), p. 222.
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Monifa Thomas, "Baxter, other drug firms hit with AIDS-related lawsuit," Chicago Sun-Times, April 25, 2005, p. 65.
Thanks for reading
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