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Peace AhmedBahgat,
There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?
Hello mate,
Sure, but the percentage in their community is far higher to be honest, I actually dealt with them years ago when i created a database for one of the gays and lesbians newspaper in Sydney, and to be honest every time I go to their premises I get disgusted from the many photos of male sexual organs on every bloody inch on the wall, their recepcenist was a man wearing a wig and waman cloth lol
Anyway i agree that some of them that are nice, but again there are more nicer people in the hetro community as well, therefore, all these comparisons are irrelevent, what is important to know and can't be hidden is, are the the homos buond to Hell?, the following may give an insight to the answer
Homosexuals Hellbound
Scripture Against Homosexual Acts
First lets take a look in the book of Genesis
?And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.?
?And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.?
?And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.?
God did not bring another man in front of Adam as an option for a mate! Next God clearly decides that Woman will be the official companion for Adam not a Man!
?And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;?
?And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.?
?And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.?
?Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh.?
?And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.?
This was Gods plan! Man and Woman!.. Not Man and Man or Woman and Woman.. It was never even an option! what made it an option in your life is you submitting to sick God forsaken thoughts.. and these same acts you think are harmless God takes very takes seriously.. Even animals stick to Gods code.. you're breaking HIS law and sending yourself to never ending nightmare called HELL. REPENT!
Next we will take a look at Sodom and Gomorrah.. was GOD disturbed with their sexual behavior? of course he was! that's why he blasted them with FIRE and sulfur balls that burned at 8000-12000 degrees.
?Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;?
?And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD?
?And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.?
GOD melted them into nothingness.. to this day they still are finding burnt up bones where Sodom and Gomorrah use to be.. after they melted into ash.. their spiritual body's were injected into a PIT in HELL and they are still screaming and scratching at the sides of their pits as you read this. Why? because they did not obey GOD?S law.
If you're willing to take the chance on thinking that you have everything figured out.. I am even frightened for you.. Think about the second you do die and you wake up in one of these PITS we are hearing about.. Its that second you will realize you had nothing figured out.. And that you should have been prudent.. you now will remain in a PIT and your spiritual body will burn forever as you claw at the sides of your pit.. Forever is a long time and a big chance.. I say why take the chance.. the Bible and the Quran are very REAL. Satan has worked very hard into making you feel laxed.. And into thinking GOD is way to nice to allow such a thing.. this is the trick! God is nice to his children.. if you're not obeying his laws you don't belong to him anymore.. You're considered a bastard and a criminal.
Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many sins not just Homosexuality.. But their sexual perversions were what did them in.. they were not tolerated by GOD. Judgment was swift and corrected the situation promptly.
God speaks against Homosexuals in the Old Testament.. GOD sounds like he means what he is saying
?Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination.?
?If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.?
?There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.?
The New Testament Speaks Against it
?For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature ??And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.?
?And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;?
?Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,?
?Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, ?
?Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful?
?Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.?
ROM 126-32]?Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.?
The world today has become a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah.. Things are not getting any better.. And believe me GOD is not sleeping.. Expect Judgment! When GOD decides to send his Mass Judgment on certain persons, cities, states, country's or the world itself... I pray that your soul is clean from sin.. because the judgment on earth is only the beginning.. Your last stop will be HELL! There is no time in HELL.. It is never ending torment.
Here are some quotes from "Jewish Literacy The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History" by Rabbi Joseph Telushkin, Chapter 7.
"...the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah signify one thing human wickedness. It therefore comes as a surprise to read the biblical chapters about Sodom and learn that the text specifies only two sins of the inhabitants extreme inhospitality to guests and Homosexual Rape (hence, the meaning of sodomy in English).
...In biblical Hebrew, "to know" also means to have sexual relations... Despite the scarcity of details, the Sodom story is mentioned repeatedly throughout the Bible. Some biblical prophets mention details of other Sodomite evils that are not specified in Genesis.
...(Ezekiel 1649-50) ... she did not aid the poor and needy ... In both the Bible and Talmud, Sodom becomes a byword for selfishness and cruelty.
... A number of years ago, some Israeli promoters of tourism suggested transforming the modern city of Sodom into a tourist mecca with casinos, nightclubs, and even strip shows. The Chief Rabbinate in Israel sharply demurred, warning that there was nothing to prevent God from destroying the city a second time. The plan was dropped.
The Stone Chumash adds, "The sulfurous fire that destroyed Sodom left its mark. Today, the area of Sodom is a desert that is rich in sulfur mines."
Sodomites and Anal Sex
?And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may KNOW them.?
"To know" means exactly the same thing it meant in Genesis 41
"And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."
If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, you know exactly what is meant by "to know". The Sodomites were setting themselves up to perform a Homosexual act in GEN 195.
Bisexual?
Being Bisexual is just as bad as being a Homosexual! who are you kidding? Do you think you will get a nicer PIT in HELL then the Homosexual? LOLLet me help you understand this.. When you die you will be judged.. I do not care what you think you are or what religion you think is right, now.. Every single disgusting perverse act you do is marked against you! this is called SIN.. God is not letting your disgusting perverted soul into Heaven! You should be repenting and washing this filth off yourself.. If you continue with an "I don't care attitude" you're in for a big surprise! Because one day you just might wake up in another dimension.. And start screaming and burning and never stop screaming and burning.. You have heard some good news today.. that good news is the Bible and the Quran.. Check it out! If you are worshipping a Goat, Goddess Diana, Demons, Snakes, Birds, Earth, Wind, Satan, Buddha, Cats or Pigs.. whatever you think your sick beliefs are.. There all a one way ticket to HELL!.. Allah is waiting for you with open arms right now if you repent from this filthy and perverted act.
Are Homosexuals Really Hellbound?
According to the Bible Sodomites are in serious danger of Hellfire.. Homosexuals have to fight the unclean spirit that is causing them sin.. This isn't easy because the Homosexual demon is a powerful spirit.. And sets itself up in the persons life at a very young age most likely. And attaching itself directly to the persons soul.. by doing this is has full control over the persons thoughts.. This causes the person to actually think that these unclean thoughts are their own thoughts.. As time goes by the homosexual starts to accept these thoughts as being "who I am".. This "who I am" thinking advances into what's called as "coming out of the closet".. When this occurs the homosexual has become a powerful tool for Satan.Satan loves homosexuals.. And will usually set them up with good careers in something Satan is in control of i.e.. Entertainment.. any form of the Media.. Satan wants them to grow.. The more homosexuals there are the more souls Satan gets to join in a Furnace of Fire.. GOD hates Homosexuality!.. By the homosexuals "coming out of the closet" they now will start thinking that GOD made them this way.. This is not true! Satan made you this way!.. As the homosexual starts to accept their new lifestyle.. they will start acting homosexual in public.. When this happens it encourages other homosexuals that were "on the fence" with the unclean spirit to step forward and act on their homosexual thoughts. This is like a domino effect.. You have seen it working over the years.
The Wake Up Call
Homosexuals are making huge advances in the world.. As you watch this.. You are actually watching Satan make advances in the world! God slowed it down with launching a plague on Homosexuals. He had to slow down this sickness because certain things have to happen like a Revival.. And homosexuals were advancing much to fast (Homosexual Wildfire).. This Death spirit God sent was also a wakeup call.. many homosexuals just adjusted and defended themselves with condoms and assumed AIDS was something that was not directed towards them since it also took out some drug addicts etc..Its the Soul that is not innocent that God is worried about.. He is not happy when you send yourself to HELL.. In fact he has given you all the resources to defend yourself from this fate.. He sent his warnings to wash yourself from all sin and save yourself from HELLFIRE! Why are you sending yourself to HELL?
God Will Help
God knows what you are up against and will help you fight this wicked spirit.. I see homosexuals that have become religious and turned their life over to God.. And have been set free! Does it happen over night? NO! You have to work on it. God will throw the garbage out! and basically pull foul spirits off your soul.. You can speed this process up by prayer, fasting, deliverance and studying the word of God. God wants to see you fighting it.. When he sees you trying with all your heart.. You will be set free.. Some homosexuals are set free the second they accept God into their lives.. Again if this happens God may want to use you to set other Homosexuals free.. The reward for fighting the Homosexual spirit is LIFE.. You will save yourself from HELLFIRE! There is no better reward then this.The Battle Field
About 75% of this battle will be fought in your own MIND.. since this spirit is linked to your soul.. The less you yield to your sick perverted thoughts.. The more ground you will gain.. after you gain it you must HOLD it by not slipping back.. This is direct combat with the homosexual demon.. It will increase its attack on you when it realizes you are fighting it.. So it will get worse before it gets better... when this happens rejoice! the demon is starting to worry about losing its control.. Keep fighting! And using deliverance prayers on the demon itself.. This is like hand to hand combat on the demon. God will help you fight this battle.. Remember that you were not born a homosexual.. And by fighting this Demon you're choosing LIFE and saving yourself from a deep pit filled with HELLFIRE!The Message
Lets look back on Gods warnings for a minute.... It took Pharaoh 10 plague's to finally submit... He refused to think they were directed towards him.. It got to the point he had his witches try to mimic some of the signs God was giving Egypt.. The witches attempts were always pathetic.. But Pharaoh would always side with the witches because he didn't want to think that there was something higher in this world that could judge him. So God killed his baby boy!.. Then he got the message.. God is killing homosexuals!..Demons Change Your Appearance
Over time the homosexual demon is so powerful it can actually change the appearance of the person.. This should no surprise you.. If a person is controlled by spirits of Hate .. they begin to have a dark look in their eyes.. And start to take on new characteristics in their appearance.. When you are controlled by the demon of Homosexuality you begin to look like a homosexual.. When this occurs the spirit is beginning to manifest in this persons life and is in full control. This also can be reversed when you start fighting this wicked spirit.. When the spirit is loosed from your soul your hormones will start working the way God designed them.Homosexual Marriages
Today Homosexuals are getting married and considering this to be normal act under the eyes of the Living GOD. Homosexuals even think they have the right to torture a young childs mind with their perverted lifestyle by trying to adopt children.. This is basically like telling GOD not only will you not obey his covenent but you're going to pervert and distort it as much as you can.Take this is a very REAL warning! This is such an abomination in the eyes of the Living GOD.. I cannot imagine what might happen to anyone promoting such acts.. This is such a deadly sin I will not comment too much on this subject.. I would compare this to what Jesus had to say about anyone who ever hurt a child in (MAT 186).. What Jesus is basically saying is before you even come close to such a sin of hurting a young child it is better to kill yourself before hand
?But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.?
?Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!?
Cheers
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Peace "elena",
Peace AhmedBahgat,
There are angry, racist, sexist, harrasment, prejudice, discrimination among heterosexual people too. Doesn't that annul your approach?
JK- But they dont have a "hidden agenda" which the homos apparently do and that is another very dangerous thing. However I beliueve the main culprit is "anal sex" and this is what I believe GOD condemns, if but subtly in the Quran. GOD Bless!
Peace jonny,
apparentlythen let's leave 'appearances' to not spread intolerance.
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Peace "topo",
if the issue is actually the forbidden anal and oral sex, what about gay guys who are so gay who then do surgery to make 'fake' vagina? it will not allowed either?
JK- Why wont it be allowed? It is a type of corrective surgery and i dont see any problem with that.
if he has vagina, he can then marry his gay partner as the sexual intercourse would not be anal?
JK- And id say thats perfectly fine.
i used to live in indonesia, and there is this very religious moslem gay guy in indonesia who did surgery to be a woman, and he/she wears headscarf and everything, in fact she's a celebrity there. once she went to do hajj, and it was the time when many people were killed in Mina, and many religious nuts in indonesia blamed her for this. that it was the punishment from god because she is supposed to be a guy, but dresses up and behaves like a woman. is it fair to treat her like that?
you know guys, i think we need to start looking human being not by their gender. man or woman or transvestite or gay, they are all the same.JK- It doesnt matter what the Hislamic hadithists say. What matters is what GOD tells us in the Quran. GOD Bless!
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Hi,
Let get to the point. We need to help these people who have this psycological problem and they will be cured. It is a medical condition and these people are sick! They need help. Nations have been distroyed before because of this. Because they did not do anything about this problem. Now people, rather than considering it as a problem are promoting it and fighting for the rights of Gays, homos etc. There are also people around who have sex within the family. sisters/brothers, father/daughter, son/mother.....were do you want to draw the line??
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Peace everyone,
Please read this article...the social implications of evolutionary thinking. Now, I am not saying that if one holds to evolution he necessarily supports homosexuality. I am saying, however, that nearly all-homosexual leaders are evolutionists, and when pressed for justification of their homosexual life style and behavior, homosexual leaders almost always refer to evolution.
"We are descended from animals," they say; "we have certain animal desires that must be satisfied. Few animals mate for life. And many times animals of the same sex interact sexually. And didn?t all bisexual animals evolve from asexual animals?"
More sophisticated homosexuals would call the homosexual condition a "beneficial mutation." They are "born gay." Others point to certain animal groups, which lessen their reproduction rate when the population fills the ecological niche. "This is a way to fulfill one?s sexual needs without overpopulation; this is natural selection in action." The Bible calls such behavior "reprobate," and homosexual justifications such as are normally given must deny the Biblical mindset, which is founded in the creation of all things by a holy God, who created mankind male and female, in His image, with proper function in a marriage relationship.
Excerpt taken from http//www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1081
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The following is a list of statistics showing how bad hs really is(referenecs are given below)
One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).
One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).
Many homosexuals don't pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles "Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior" (16).
Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. "Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence" (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels "subjective distress") (27).
Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.
Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the "gay bowel syndrome" (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).
73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).
25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).
Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film "The Castro", one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to "cruisy areas" and have anonymous sex.
78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).
Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, "Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities" (10).
Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, "30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals" (10).
50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).
Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, "Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person" (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).
Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (.
37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (.
41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (.
Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (.
The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (.
The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (.
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (.
21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(.
50% of the calls to a hotline to report "queer bashing" involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (1.
About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12).
Homosexuals prey on children.33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).
There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).
Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22).
Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades. A group called the "Lesbian Avengers" prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print "WE RECRUIT" on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren't as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (. See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.
The homosexual agenda.The homosexual agenda includes desensitizing the public "The first order of business is desensitization of the American public concerning gays and gay rights.....To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of with keen emotion. Ideally, we would have straights register differences in sexual preferences the way they register different tastes for ice cream or sports games....At least in the beginning, we are seeking public desensitization and nothing more. We do not need and cannot expect a full 'appreciation' or 'understanding' of homosexuality from the average American. You can forget about trying to persuade the masses that homosexuality is a good thing. But if only you can get them to think that it is just another thing...then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won" (25).
Part of the homosexual agenda is to get the public to affirm their filthy lifestyle, as one homosexual admitted in the October 1987 homosexual rally on Washington "We are no longer seeking just a right to privacy and a protection from wrong. We also have a right -- as heterosexual Americans already have -- to see government and society affirm our lives" (27).
Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity "The teaching that only male-female sexual activity within the bounds and constraints of marriage is the only acceptable form should be reason enough for any homosexual to denounce the Christian religion" (1).
Homosexuals knowingly lied (and still lie) about the 10% figure (i.e., homosexuals make up 10% of the population). As Tom Stoddard (formerly of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund) said, "We used that figure when most gay people were entirely hidden to try to create an impression of our numerousness" (17).
The true number of homosexuals.The Kinsey study of 1948, which homosexuals often cite to say that 10% of the population is homosexual, actually says that only 4% of the population is EXCLUSIVELY homosexual. This study involved a disproportionate number of people who had been in jail for sex crimes (hardly a random sample of the population). Kinsey also did perverse studies involving young boys and pedophiles. Information on Kinsey.
Current research shows that the true percentage of homosexuals is in the 1-2% range (15,23,26,2. Consider how small this number is when compared to most of the numbers above.
Homosexuals aren't discriminated against in employment, so why should they be a protected class?The average yearly income of a homosexual is $55,430.00 (most of which is disposable because no children to take care of!). The average of the general population is $32,144.00. The average of blacks is $12,166.00 (24).
59.6% of homosexuals are college graduates. 18.0% of the general population are college graduates (24). Too bad they aren't smart enough to listen to God. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 122).
49.0% of homosexuals hold professional/managerial positions. 15.9% of the general population hold such positions (24). Where's the job discrimination?
Sexual OrientationA phrase that has come up recently in this earth is "sexual orientation." This is a phrase made up by homosexuals to try to make themselves look less filthy than they really are. The purpose of the phrase is to take the spotlight from what these perverts do, and put it on the notion that they are just poor, mistreated people, who simply are attracted to members of the same sex - as if they aren't engaging in activity forbidden by God Almighty. "Sexual orientation," as used today, has nothing to do with sexual activity (yeah, right), but only refers to who or what a particular person is attracted to. If you think that people of other "sexual orientations" are just fine, let's see what other "sexual orientations" you would necessarily have to accept as wholesome and pure. If you're not going to discriminate based on "sexual orientation", then you must not discriminate against any of the following. If you discriminate against any of these, you're a hypocrite. These "sexual orientations" are generally known as "paraphilias", and are mental disorders - just like homosexuality used to be (29).
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(2) Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry.
(3) Bell, A. and Weinberg, M. Homosexualities a Study of Diversity Among Men and Women. New York Simon & Schuster, 1978.
(4) Cameron et. al. ISIS National Random Sexuality Survey. Nebraska Med. Journal, 1985, 70, pp. 292-299.
(5) "Changes in Sexual Behavior and Incidence of Gonorrhea." Lancet, April 25, 1987.
(6) Corey, L. and Holmes, K. "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men." New England J. Med., 1980, pp. 435-38.
(7) Family Research Institute, Lincoln, NE.
( Fields, Dr. E. "Is Homosexual Activity Normal?" Marietta, GA.
(9) Jay and Young. The Gay Report. Summit Books, 1979, p. 275.
(10) Kaifetz, J. "Homosexual Rights Are Concern for Some," Post-Tribune, 18 December 1992.
(11) Kus, R. "Alcoholics Anonymous and Gay America." Medical Journal of Homosexuality, 1987, 14(2), p. 254.
(12) Lesbian News, January 1994.
(13) Lief, H. Sexual Survey Number 4 Current Thinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality, 1977, pp. 110-11.
(14) Manlight, G. et. al. "Chronic Immune Stimulation By Sperm Alloantigens." J. American Med. Assn., 1984, 251(2), pp. 237-438.
(15) Morton-Hunt Study for Playboy
(16) MsKusick, L. et. al. "AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported By Gay Men in San Francisco." Am. J. Pub. Health, 1985, 75, pp. 493-96.
(17) Newsweek, February 1993.
(1 Newsweek, 4 October 1993.
(19) Psychological Reports, 1986, 58, pp. 327-37.
(20) Rueda, E. "The Homosexual Network." Old Greenwich, Conn., The Devin Adair Company, 1982, p. 53.
(21) San Francisco AIDS Foundation, "Can We Talk."
(22) San Francisco Sentinel, 27 March 1992.
(23) Science Magazine, 18 July 1993, p. 322.
(24) Statistical Abstract of the U.S., 1990.
(25) "The Overhauling of Straight America." Guide Magazine. November, 1987.
(26) United States Census Bureau
(27) United States Congressional Record, June 29, 1989.
(2 University of Chicago's Nation Research Corp.
(29) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fourth Edition, American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
GOD Bless!
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Hi topo and all,
I should say ur topic seems to have generated quite a lot of interest here that it has had more than 60 posts in about 18 hrs. Is that a record of some kind? wink
Anyways, getting back to the topic. I think, Homosexuality(the natural inclination for) and the reasons behind it have not yet reached any kind of conclusions yet and studies are ongoing. Here is an interesting chapter from a textbook of neuroscience.
Central Nervous System Dimorphisms Related to Reproductive Behaviors
As these examples show, the actions of sex steroids on neurons provide powerful mechanisms for the production of behavioral differences between females and males. In experimental animals at least, the consequences in the central nervous system are evident in sexually dimorphic circuits and behaviors ranging from the control of motor responses to aspects of cognition. This section briefly reviews examples that are specifically related to reproductive behavior; the following section considers sexual dimorphisms related to cognitive behavior.
A good example of sexual dimorphism related to motor control of a reproductive behavior is the difference in size of a nucleus in the lumbar segment of the rat spinal cord called the spinal nucleus of the bulbocavernosus. The motor neurons of this nucleus innervate two striated muscles of the perineum, the bulbocavernosus and ischiocavernosus (Figure 30.4A). In males, the bulbocavernosus and the ischiocavernosus attach to the penis and play a role in both urination and copulation. In females, the bulbocavernosus and the ischiocavernosus are much smaller and attach to the base of the clitoris; they are used to constrict the opening of the vagina. Marc Breedlove and his colleagues first showed that the spinal nucleus containing the motor neurons that innervate the bulbocavernosus is much smaller in female rats compared to males (Figure 30.4B,Figure 30.4C). They next demonstrated that the development of this dimorphism in the spinal cord depends on the maintenance of target muscles by circulating androgens. Since developing males have high levels of circulating sex steroids whereas females do not, these muscles largely degenerate in developing female rats, leaving the motor neurons to atrophy in the absence of trophic support (see Chapter 23).
In humans, the spinal cord structure that corresponds to the spinal nucleus of the bulbocavernosus in rats is called Onuf's nucleus, which consists of two cell groups in the sacral cord (a dorsal-medial and a ventral-lateral group). Although the dorsal-medial group is not sexually dimorphic, human females have fewer neurons in the ventral-lateral group than males (Figure 30.4D). In contrast to rodents, the female perineal muscles in humans remain relatively large throughout life, but are nonetheless smaller than in the male. The difference in nuclear size in humans, like rats, presumably reflects the difference in the number of muscle fibers the motor neurons must innervate.
A variety of reproductive behaviors in both non-human primates and humans are governed by the hypothalamus, including mating, priming, and parenting behaviors (Figure 30.5). In rhesus monkeys, electrophysiological recordings from hypothalamic neurons during sexual activity show that neurons of the medial preoptic area of the anterior hypothalamus fire during different components of the sexual act. Such recordings have been carried out on male monkeys sitting in a flexible restraining chair that allows the male to gain access to a receptive female by pressing a bar, which brings the female close enough to allow mounting by the male. In this way, the responses of hypothalamic neurons can be correlated with ?desire? (number of bar presses) and mating behavior (contact, mounting, intromission, thrusting). Neurons in the medial preoptic area of the male hypothalamus fire rapidly before sexual behavior but decrease their activity upon contact with the female and mating (Figure 30.6). In contrast, neurons in the dorsal anterior hypothalamus begin firing at the onset of mating and continue to fire vigorously during intercourse. Although these studies do not speak to sexual dimorphism, they provide direct evidence that the anterior hypothalamus helps to regulate aspects of sexual behavior.
These and other studies of rodents and non-human primates have stimulated a variety of observations in the human hypthalamus. The most thoroughly documented examples of sexually dimorphic hypothalamic nuclei in humans have been described by Laura Allen and Roger Gorski at the University of California at Los Angeles and supported by Dick Swaab and his colleagues at the Netherlands Institute for Brain Research. There are four cell groupings within the anterior hypothalamus of humans, collectively called the interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH; the nuclei are numbered 1?4 from dorsolateral to ventromedial) (Figure 30.7). The original studies by Allen and Gorski reported that nuclei 1?3 of the INAH can be more than twice as large in males as they are in females. These studies were extended by William Byne who reported, along with Swaab and colleagues, that only INAH-3 is consistantly sexually dimorphic in adults. INAH-1 and INAH-2 change in size over time, which may account for differences between the findings of various investigators. INAH-1 is the same size in females and males up until 2?4 years of age; it then becomes larger in males until approximately 50 years of age, when it decreases in size in both sexes. Although generally larger in males, INAH-2 is larger in females of childbearing age than in prepubescent and postmenopausal females. Such changes in nuclear size with age suggest that in humans, as in rodents, these hypothalamic dimorphisms may be related to levels of circulating sex steroids.
One aspect of human reproduction in which these nuclei have been implicated is the choice of a sexual partner. In addition to heterosexual behavior, some people express sexual interest in both females and males (bisexuality), and some only in members of their own phenotypic sex (homosexuality). Still other people are interested the opposite sex but have a gender identity that is at odds with their phenotypic sex (transgenderism). Based on experimental work in animals and evidence that relatively simple sexual behaviors are influenced by brain dimorphisms, explaining these more complex behaviors in the same general way has been an attractive possibility. To investigate this issue, Simon LeVay, then working at the Salk Institute, compared the INAH nuclei of heterosexual males and homosexual males. LeVay first confirmed Allen and Gorski's findings that the INAH nuclei are sexually dimorphic. He went on to discover that INAH-3 is more than twice as large in male heterosexuals as in male homosexuals (Figure 30.8A). LeVay suggested that this difference is related to sexual orientation.
Other researchers have also concluded that dimorphisms of the hypothalamic nuclei are related to sexual orientation and gender identity. Swaab and Michel Hofman examined the suprachiasmatic nucleus of the hypothalamus, which lies just above the optic chiasm in both rodents and humans and generates circadian rhythms (see Figure 30.5A and Chapter 2. This nucleus is also involved in reproductive behavior. In examining the suprachiasmatic nuclei of females, heterosexual males, and homosexual males, Swaab and Hofman found the volume of the suprachiasmatic nucleus to be almost twice as large in male homosexuals compared to male heterosexuals (Figure 30.8B). There was no difference, however, between the size of the suprachiasmatic nucleus in females and heterosexual males. Like LeVay, they suggested that the difference in nuclear size between homosexual and heterosexual men might be related to sexual orientation. This same group has also reported a dimorphism that may be related to gender identity. In comparing male-to-female transgendered individuals to heterosexual males, they found that another hypothalamic structure, the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, is smaller in transgendered males, being closer in size to that of females.
Taken together, this evidence suggests a plausible explanation of the continuum of human sexuality Small differences in the relevant brain structures generate significant differences in sexual identity and behavior. In analogy to the rodent, these brain dimorphisms are probably established by the early influence of hormones acting on the brain nuclei that mediate various aspects of sexuality. For instance, low levels of circulating androgens in a male early in life could lead to a relatively ?feminine? brain in genotypic males, whereas high levels of circulating androgens in females could lead to a relatively ?masculine? brain in genotypic females.
As attractive as this hypothesis may be (and it should be emphasized that it remains unproven), the development of sexuality in humans is probably a good deal more complicated than this scenario implies. Although LeVay's findings support the idea that homosexuality is related to ?feminization? of the male brain (recall that INAH-3 in gay males is smaller than in straight males), Swaab and Hofman's data on the size of the suprachiasmatic nucleus undermine the interpretation that the male homosexual's brain is simply ?feminized? by a lack of androgens early in development. Whereas they found a difference in the volume of the suprachiasmatic nucleus between homosexual and heterosexual males, in contrast to LeVay they found no difference in the volume of the nucleus between females and heterosexual males. In addition, the development of the INAH-1 dimorphism occurs between 2 and 4 years of age?long after the first testosterone surge in human males. These discrepancies suggest that the development of sexually dimorphic nuclei in humans does not depend solely on early hormone levels. Even adult neural circuits have some plasticity (see next section and Chapter 25), leaving open the possibility that behavior, experience, and changes in circulating hormone levels generate dimorphisms at later stages. In accord with this suggestion, Breedlove and colleagues have reported that the posterodorsal nucleus of the medial amygdala has a greater volume in male rats than in female, but that castration of adult males and androgen treatment of adult females reverses this effect. Thus, the question of whether we are simply born ?that way? with respect to sexuality remains difficult to answer with any great confidence. Like most developmental events, a combination of intrinsic and extrinsic factors are probably involved.
Despite these uncertainties, work over the last decade has placed human sexuality on a much firmer biological footing. This is a welcome advance over the not-too-distant past when unusual sexual behavior was commonly explained in social, Freudian, or, worse yet, moralistic terms
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Interesting article.
I think there is a problem when scientist start thinking that behavior is all biological, it is not necessarly true. Although there there is a biological influence on behaviour but one does not need to be in such an enviroment to get those activated. The problems with homos is they are at the wrong enviroment plus this environment is developing around us as well, thats why more and more people are driven to having samesex orientations. Its another Satan's plan to distroy us and put us all into doing wrong.
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Peace,
How can it be tested if xenophobia is a genetic trait? one would have to be isolated at beirth. Nurture VS nature. Afraid of a threat or threatened by an unknown of course, that is natural and it also aids our survival. other than that, there is no way to prove it.
and if someone IS born NATURALLY homosexual, should they fix it? (if they can) lives as they were made? or live the lie and fake it? Why should they be condemed to mental and emotional mysery because god made them that way. what possible offence is there before birth to allow for that, unless you believe in reincarnation?
Haven't you completely contradicted yourself here? If xenophobia is untestable, then so is homosexuality. Nurture is nature there too, so further genetic testing is moot.
My opinion is that homosexuality is morally worng. The closest parallel in society that I can find to homosexuality is incest. Some incest occurs between mutually agreeable parties, so as in homosexual relationships, both parties agree to the arrangement. I am obviously discounting cases of rape, etc. So, as a society, we have decided that incest is plain wrong, regardless of the outcome. Even if the incestual couple never produce a disfigured child...maybe they never have vaginal sex and stick to oral sex, we would all still agree that it's morally wrong and simply an unpleasant thought. So, why has society still relegated incest to this category while allowing homosexuality to roam free? They have the same attributes of consent, yet the actual act is naturally disagreeable to the vast majority of people.
I personally think that homosexuality is a psychological problem that stems from very early childhood. it begins when children begin to learn what roles each sex plays in the world, and perhaps they become confused. Whenever I hear homosexuals explain how they knew they were gay, they usually say something like "I really liked decorating," or "I wanted to wear makeup." When you think about it, how are either of these related to wanting to have gay sex? Is it a logical conclusion that if a man likes to decorate, he must also enjoy gay anal sex? You'll find that there is no relation whatsoever, but society has decided that there must be connection, thus further confusing the gender lines.
Anyway, in an effort to be brief, I will say that society should no more tolerate homosexuality than it tolerates incest. It naturally feels wrong, that is why there is such a big push to normalize it so it does not feel wrong. So if a person is gay, they should realize what they are are not act on it. There is always self pleasuring, and sex is not a necessary part of life, regardless of what society claims. Society should also make greater attempts to allow children the freedom to act in whichever gender role they feel like, as I think that this allows them the freedom to remain part of their own gender while identifying with traits of what is traditionally another gender. Basically do not tell your little boys not to cry b/c it's what girls do.
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Peace,
Interesting article.
Hmm....Not much of an article. Its from a textbook of neuroscience.
I think there is a problem when scientist start thinking that behavior is all biological, it is not necessarly true. Although there there is a biological influence on behaviour but one does not need to be in such an enviroment to get those activated. The problems with homos is they are at the wrong enviroment plus this environment is developing around us as well, thats why more and more people are driven to having samesex orientations. Its another Satan's plan to distroy us and put us all into doing wrong.
The last paragraph seems to kind of address ur thoughts.
Despite these uncertainties, work over the last decade has placed human sexuality on a much firmer biological footing. This is a welcome advance over the not-too-distant past when unusual sexual behavior was commonly explained in social, Freudian, or, worse yet, moralistic terms
http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=neurosci.section.2127 -
JK said...
JK- If it is dangerous to his body that he chooses in the opposite sex direction of the one biologically preferred then the the other should be preferred. Otherwise he/she may choose. I dont see any problem here since ultimately GOD is controlling the mind of each individual anyways.
That's all I needed to knw. so again, why would god condemn someone to this "sinful way" ?
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has placed human sexuality on a much firmer biological footing
i do not think thats true. There is no biological component. If there is than murder etc etc also does.
Many nations doing these acts were distroyed. One either follow the Quran or not. Its clear that it is Satanic plot to distroy us. It is wrong as according to the Quran. Unless the Quran does not say anything about it.
Peace
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I should say ur topic seems to have generated quite a lot of interest here that it has had more than 60 posts in about 18 hrs. Is that a record of some kind?
Not really, it's almost predictable, every once in a while there's one of these threads popping up...http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3561
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3458
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2652
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1565
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=568
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=751
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692
PS - Check out the second one from the top and see how many pages that generated. )
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it seems that we look up to the bible it states very clearly that god condemns homosexuality, so does the quran, even if it's not as obvious as the bible.
but the least that i can hope from this community is not to stigmatize gay people. even if the scriptures say it's wrong, but we live in a society that gives everyone the rights to live their lives, and we are expected to have tolerance for everyone. just like when we have to live with people with different religions, even if our scriptures comdemns them of worshipping different god from ours, but it doesn't mean that we have the rights to not let them live their lives peacefully.
maybe we don't agree with homosexuality and use our scriptures to justify it, as much as we don't agree with atheism and other religions, but discriminating them by not granting them a legal to get married is quite intolerant. we don't agree with people who have different religions from us, but it doesn't mean that we can deny all or part of their legal rights, does it?
maybe all those homosexuals and people who believe different gods will go to hell, but who are we to judge them? and yes, the scriptures say this and that about them, but i don't agree if we use our scriptures to condemn particular group of people that we don't like. let them live their lives, we live in a society with variety of people, we can't expect every one of them to follow every rules in our religion.
as far as all the datas on the sexual misconducts of homosexual people are concerned, i don't think it's the right tool to judge them. the crime statistics of black and latino people are in general much higher than those of white people. but does it make that those black people do the crimes because they are black? sometimes people forgot that black people has been trapped in the system that has been discriminating them for so long since the slavery time, and i think this systematic crimes kind of happened to homosexual community too. that they have been being prejudiced and many of them are confused about themselves, thus the high level of suicide and drug abuse.
i don't think we will ever come to any agreement on this matter, we can only come to the state of tolerance, just like our tolerance to let other people have whatever religions they believe in. -
i only joined this forum yesterday, and since i moved to the US, i've been questioning certain issues that never came in my mind before.
i was just curious if this god alone movement would have better perspective on gay people, but i guess it's just like christianity, judaism, and traditional islam.
another thing that i don't agree is that when it was mentioned that homosexual people are mostly talented in certain areas because it's satan plot. it's just very absurd to me to hear this kind of thing. if heterosexual people are gifted and talented then it's from god, and if it happens to homosexual people then it's from satan?
this sounds very much like anti-semitism, when muslim and christian nuts would say that many jewis people are talented and powerful because it's part of satan plot.
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Peace "sawtooth",
That's all I needed to knw. so again, why would god condemn someone to this "sinful way" ?
JK- There maybe various reasons for this. Many people are born with deformities, allergies, chronical diseases, etc. Many people are born into corrupt societies causing them to become corrupt and murderers as well. Why would GOD condemn them? I believe in original sin not the christian way but that each indivdual once of us has sinned otherwise it makes no sense why we should be here and not with GOD like the angels. Anyways GOD says in the Quran that He never burdens a soul beyond that which it can bear so everyone can control it. And if someone is born with hs feelings, then out of fear of GOD controls them he may receive a multitude of the normal reward for abstaining for such behaviour. So GOD has His ways and Hes never unjust. He knows while you do not. GOD Bless!
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Hi,
Something wrong and unatural will always be opposed. It is the law of the Universe. However, I do not stigmatize your views. If you think its OK, keep it that way, but saying that homosexuals are alright, as a scientist i do not agree with that. We need to help these people. I know in Judaism, christianity and Islam oppose it, well its God command. The creator is right after all.