Allah is with us but may be not with all.
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A. If you are like me then you would not have been aware of the following
? More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
Source Office of National Statistics (ONS) and Guardian Oct 12, 2004Vow! what do you think of this then?
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See http//www.galaxydastak.com/books/iaiu/
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Salaams Joe,
i am not saying you wrong-no way .
But i am not saying i am either.
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YUSUFALI This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
PICKTHAL This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
SHAKIR This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
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YUSUFALI Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
PICKTHAL Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
SHAKIR Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
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YUSUFALI And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
PICKTHAL And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.
SHAKIR And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.
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YUSUFALI THEY ARE ON (TRUE) GUIDANCE, FROM THEIR LORD, AND IT IS THESE WHO WILL PROSPER.
PICKTHAL THESE DEPEND ON GUIDANCE FROM THEIR LORD. THESE ARE THE SUCCESSFUL.
SHAKIR THESE ARE ON A RIGHT COURSE FROM THEIR LORD AND THESE IT IS THAT SHALL BE SUCCESSFUL.Thanks JM.
Salaams all.
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YUSUFALI THEY ARE ON (TRUE) GUIDANCE, FROM THEIR LORD, AND IT IS THESE WHO WILL PROSPER.
PICKTHAL THESE DEPEND ON GUIDANCE FROM THEIR LORD. THESE ARE THE SUCCESSFUL.
SHAKIR THESE ARE ON A RIGHT COURSE FROM THEIR LORD AND THESE IT IS THAT SHALL BE SUCCESSFUL.Peace Simple,
How do you understand success or prosperity according to quran, particularly in these verses?
Thanks.
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Salaams zenje ,
I believe prosperity is in this world there isn?t one in the hereafter , is there? Its just heaven or Hell.The Good guys in heaven and the Baddies in Hell.
Here is a proof of where the prosperity maybe.
Yas-aloonaka AAani al-ahillati qul hiya mawaqeetulilnnasi waalhajji walaysa albirrubi-an ta/too albuyoota min thuhooriha walakinnaalbirra mani ittaqa wa/too albuyoota min abwabihawaittaqoo Allaha laAAallakum tuflihoona
They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors And fear Allah That ye may prosper.
This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous.
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Those who believe in the unseen, and uphold the contact-method, and from Our provisions to them they spend.
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And those who believe in what was sent down to you, and what was sent down before you, and regarding the Hereafter they are certain.
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THESE ARE THE ONES GUIDED BY THEIR LORD, AND THESE ARE THE WINNERS.
So free- minds calls them winners , who are winners check a dictionary!
Lakini alrrasoolu waallatheenaamanoo maAAahu jahadoo bi-amwalihimwaanfusihim waola-ika lahumu alkhayratu waola-ikahumu almuflihoona
But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons for them are (all) good things and it is they who will prosper.
For those who think the gardens with rivers flowing are here in this world
Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve prosperity.Just think or check who spends (which nations) the most for charity and aren?t they the most prosperouse aswell?
12.Faittaqoo Allaha maistataAAtum waismaAAoo waateeAAoo waanfiqookhayran li-anfusikum waman yooqa shuhha nafsihi faola-ikahumu almuflihoona
So fear Allah as much as ye can; listen and obey and spend in charity for the benefit of your own soul and those saved from the covetousness of their own souls,- they are the ones that achieve prosperity.
God Bless.
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A. If you are like me then you would not have been aware of the following
? More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
Source Office of National Statistics (ONS) and Guardian Oct 12, 2004that's a surprise
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Peace simple,
All the verses you quoted have pretty much the same connotations in regard to 'prosperity'. They don't point to where it may be. Thanks, however, for explaining where you believe this success/prosperity lies. )
For me, on the other hand, I believe that this world/life is only temporary, and therefore successes, here, mean little to nothing.
Peace
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Salaams zenje,
I am sure you must have come across research that was done in the states years ago,
That the findings where the most prosperous successful believed that success and prosperity is with effort and things, whilst the not so successful well-offs believed that it was with luck and something.
Well I believe Allah has shown us the way to be successful in the quran but if we don't want it or believe in it then we will get the results like wise.
By the way the trad mullahs say success here in this world is only for the kufar, but our success is in the here, But zenje look at the success and prosperity of the early believers they did extremely well, why?
Gods Blessings on all.
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Peace simple,
I'm a little confused by some of what you said in your post. So I'll try and address a point or two.
A person who's wealthy, does not mean that person is doing well or is exempt from problems or stress. A person who's wealthy is not necessarily a "kufar" or spiritually disinclined. A person who's poor (meaning without money) may be far from successful. Money does NOT equal success.
By the way the trad mullahs say success here in this world is only for the kufar, but our success is in the here, But zenje look at the success and prosperity of the early believers they did extremely well, why?
The early believers? ? ... most of the messengers themselves were not well off. What about the ones who thought they couldnt be touched by adversity because of their wealth?.. whole cities were destroyed. What about the Samiri who had so much wealth people envied him and wanted to be him, where did he end up? ideaAgain, thank you for sharing your views and reading mine as well.
Peace be with you.
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I wonder if you could tell me which group is mostly responsible for
1 crimes against humanity
2 Serial killers
3 In a none muslim country could you tell me which is the largest group within a prision population men and womenTnanks
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Just a general comment.
Did all messengers go down in worldly success , of anykind, or upwards and showed people how they may go upwards aswell through just means and share it ?
Should we be trying to follow their footsteps too or not?
muslim country saffy?can't be they arn't as active.
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peace
Just think or check who spends (which nations) the most for charity and aren?t they the most prosperouse aswell?
that would be denmark, and no! were fucked, like the rest of europe we have been taken over by facsism.
http//www.globalissues.org/i/bar.png
http//www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Development/aid/oldgraphsoda.aspright now were are being mislead by people who is to the right of the right wing. and its scary. so if that comes along with quranic prosperity....i dont want none.
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where on earth are the muslim countries here on the chart -at your link???
God Bless.
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Peace all,
believers - or muslimeen - whatever u call them are described in quran as being "kings and queens on earth".
I agree with zein when he states that this has nothing to do with financial wealth, even though it is not exclusive - everything depends on what u do with ur wealth...
It's all about peaceful minds or rather hearts and the "muslims" that are described in simples first post are not would i would call kings and queens on earth roll
elke
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Well elke sorry but my mind is made up here - i wouldn't be a follower of any body calling themselves a messenger where they have to carry a bowl to beg and yet be the most peaceful that isn't my islam then again you are entitled to your view.
No body can match the followers of Allah not the shaitan or anybody else thank you if you think the shaitans or the mundane humans can be better offs then those who believe and follow the creater you don't know what or who he is and what power he has for his slaves.Then again i don't mean all the powerfull ones are his slaves but then again they will never last long.
Gods Blessings and Thanks.
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Peace simple
i don't understand ur reaction
i wouldn't be a follower of any body calling themselves a messenger where they have to carry a bowl to beg and yet be the most peaceful that isn't my islam then again you are entitled to your view.
where did u get the idea of begging from my post ?
I'm not a buddhist and my first reference is quran - thank ulk
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Peace,
No body can match the followers of Allah not the shaitan or anybody else thank you if you think the shaitans or the mundane humans can be better offs then those who believe and follow the creater you don't know what or who he is and what power he has for his slaves.Then again i don't mean all the powerfull ones are his slaves but then again they will never last long.
I don't understand what you are trying to say in this post or the entire thread. To clarify...if anyone is 'poor' or 'begging' or in a state of upheaval (countries as well as humans), they are not those who believe or the slaves of Allah? Who do you think is lasting long? Any examples that constitute long lasting prosperity that we can examine? Or the ones that are prosperous only prosperous when they are 'believers'? Can there be a little more complexity involved than one's belief or following God in regards to prosperity and that too material prosperity? Thanks.
To add- are you mz357?!?
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Hello All,
The research is done here I believe in the UK. In the UK majority of the Muslims are from Bangladesh, Pakistan and India.
? More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
This because the old extended-family system that is prevalent in Asian societies is breaking up due to the nature of society here and the lifestyle.
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
This is because education of girls is discouraged and frowned upon by traditional muslims from the Indian Subcontinent.
I also believe that traditionalist view of life here on Earth is not very positive. Intellectual and personal success and fullfilment in life is looked on negatively since these things will not get you to heaven. So even for boys there is no onus to make something with their life...
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
This is because women from the Indian subcontinent are mostly confined to their homes by their menfolk. High fat diet and no exercise is not good for any person.
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
This is because First Cousin Marriages are allowed in Islam. Perhaps upto 90% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis marry their first cousins especially here in this country. This is not genetically healthy.
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
Because education of girls is frowned upon by traditionalist muslims and wordly sucess and personal fulfilment is not looked upon positively especially for girls.
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
This is because like the catholics traditionalist muslims discourage contraception. So on average Muslims here have larger families.
Regards,
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Salaams lote - good post,
just to clarify it all - i think there is a little confusion.
More Muslim children are taken into social services care than any other religious group per capita
? Muslims have the highest rate of unemployment of all religious groups
? Muslims were identified with the poorest health of all communities
? Muslims have the highest rate of disability amongst all communities at 24%
? Lowest level of educational qualifications from all groups
? There are more young people amongst the Muslim community than in any other faith group, up to 34%
Source Office of National Statistics (ONS) and Guardian Oct 12, 2004Sorry to say i don't condone the position of the muslims as depicted by the national statistics,
but of course they are in this position because they are not following true islam.
But if some people believe there is nothing the matter with their position in the society as depicted by the national research then good for them- although i am not of them , thanks.
Gods Blessings.