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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    #115

    Android app uploaded to popular site
    https//www.apkfiles.com/apk-520723/project-root-list

    It's an older version though.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      I understand these kind of projects take time and the people capable of getting them completed, but I see on the website that PRL is listed as incomplete at 93%, as it has for some time now. Is there any estimated time for when users can hope for the project to be completed?

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        Wakas
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        It is pretty much finished but the last part was going to be adding even more grammar detail for each word occurrence by incorporating the updated grammatical info from corpus.quran.com into PRL but Corpus has not been updated in a long time and may never be.

        Even if it was updated I probably wouldn't have the time to oversee its incorporation but by linking to corpus this would have reduced the issue somewhat.

        Look under the first few root entries under Saad to get an idea of what we were aiming for.

        The next step could be to produce an app for iOS/Apple devices which would be handy but I really dislike Apple's long and costly bureaucratic process for app creation so cant be bothered dealing with it, but of course others are welcome to create one as long as its not for profit. Could put out a call for funds and just award this job to an app creation company to do for us. What do people think?

        Does anyone know of an existing iOS app that is a Quran concordance/dictionary/grammar in one?

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          TellMeTheTruth
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          Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

          PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

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            Salamun, Brothers & Sisters!

            PRLOnline is very useful source. But I am unable to see my very favourite dictionary 'Brills' any more. Can you tell me where can i download or view Brills dictionary without paying?

            Bold I never heard of Brills dictionary. Could explain it to me?

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              Wakas
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              He is likely referring to
              http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

              You can get it here
              https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

              I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                huruf
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                He is likely referring to
                http//www.brill.com/arabic-english-dictionary-quranic-usage

                You can get it here
                https//archive.org/details/EnArabicEnglishDictionaryQuranicUsage

                I recommend everyone to download it. Do not think an online link will last forever. Same with the books on here.

                Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

                Salaam

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                  TellMeTheTruth
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                  Salam & Thanks, Wakas! )

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                    Mazhar
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                    Thank you for the advice and the links, great help.

                    Salaam

                    Another source of semantics of Quran.

                    It lists all the Roots, and words stemming from them that occur in Qur'aan, with their morphological specifications;

                    Semantic field -concept of Root; ayahs where used; plus related Roots; and link to Lane's Lexicon and classical lexicons.

                    Semantics of Quran

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                      Mazhar
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                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                        Mazhar
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                        Roots

                        The language of Grand Qur?n is Arabic language of the exalted universal Messenger-Spokesperson of Allah the Supreme Sovereign, and of sons of soil of Arabian peninsula.

                        Arabic words, nouns and verbs, stem from Roots. Root is a cluster of three, in some cases four or rare five, consonants of Alphabet placed in a peculiar sequence. Out of 29 letters of Arabic alphabet, Aleph is not a consonant since it has no sound, hence it is never the part of a Root. All 28 consonants may function as root radicals. However, there are no roots with identical consonants in the first and second position while at the second and third position radicals of a root can be the same consonant. Such roots are termed geminate roots.

                        Though a combination of three unique consonants can constitute six Roots, for example consonants

                        , and make these Roots - - - - - ; the Roots are determined and fixed. No new Root can be structured.

                        Roots are comparable to proper names as both are with unique semantic reference. However, there is a profound difference between proper names and roots. The former designate identifiable entities with real existence, whereas root is pure abstraction. The root is the common element shared by its derivatives.

                        The Root has specific, defined, distinct, conspicuous and apparent concept, phenomenon, perception and signification folded in it. It is the source, the reservoir of knowledge. Roots can be termed as "repertory of frames" of Arabic language if we follow frames approach to semantic analysis.

                        The amazing fact about the Roots of Arabic is that the perception infolded in them is reflective of physical?scientific realities pertaining both to matter and life. They seem as if they are the baseline for scientific study and investigation.

                        For semantics, Root is like the first of trinucleotide sequence of anticodon. It is well know that vocabulary is of vital importance in language study because it is the essence of a language. Linguist D. A. Wilkins (1972) has the famous line "Without grammar very little can be conveyed, without vocabulary nothing can be conveyed. (p.11)".

                        That book is conveniently understandable which uses minimum vocabulary of the language. The entire vocabulary of Grand Qur?n, nouns and verbs, stems from just 1646 Roots. Therefore, at preliminary stage, we should feel pleased that learning the skill for real-time translation of Qur?n is rendered facilitative by the use of a small part of otherwise large vocabulary of Arabic in its discourse. If we merely run through the basic perception infolded in these Roots, we will gain a fairly good understanding of meanings of the words of Grand Qur?n, even before learning the meanings added by other features of the language; morphology and syntax.

                        Classical tradition employs the word Root, but in reality, the concept resembles exactly to a "seed" which is either monocotyledon or dicotyledonous and contains the DNA to sprout and grow into a plant in a specific environment. "Seeds" of Arabic language have distinction of monocotyledon-nominal and dicotyledonous-verbal. Unique assemblage and sequencing of consonants is like a DNA that encodes complete tree of a unique concept-field of understanding which "germinates" in specific environment.

                        http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/intro.htm

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                          You may find the Amharic/Ethiopic - English Dictionary by TO Kane (OTTO HARRASSOWITZ, WIESBADEN, GERMANY, 1990) very interesting with regard to root words in the Al Quran. Unfortunately, for easy and efficient use of the dictionary, you may to work with someone who speaks Ethiopic/Amharic.

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                            The_Sardar
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                            Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

                            Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

                            Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

                            EXAMPLE
                            Classical Arabic Lexicons
                            Maqayis Al-Lugha
                            Kitab Al-Ayn
                            Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

                            Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

                            Missing meanings.
                            Nahl Bee (Fixed)
                            Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

                            I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

                            Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

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                              The_Sardar
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                              Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.

                              Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).

                              Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.

                              EXAMPLE
                              Classical Arabic Lexicons
                              Maqayis Al-Lugha
                              Kitab Al-Ayn
                              Sihah Fi Al-Lugha

                              Errors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.

                              Missing meanings.
                              Nahl Bee (Fixed)
                              Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)

                              I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.

                              Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group

                              Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

                              Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

                              kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

                              kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

                              LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

                              Could someone have a look at this?

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                                Mazhar
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                                #129

                                Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (&#1604 is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says

                                Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.

                                kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676

                                kalalah n.f. 412, 4176

                                LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll

                                Could someone have a look at this?

                                Salamun alaikum.

                                You raise few delicate issues, they are delicate only because of confusion spread by some scholars; otherwise it was simple and plain.

                                Root

                                Ibn Faris stated

                                ( &#1577

                                .

                                .

                                , .

                                That firstly it leads to the perception opposite to loneness, solitary; secondly signifies surrounding, circling a thing by another, and thirdly an organ as part of organs. The first perception is that of all, subtotal.

                                And that signifies the sword by itself, whole, solitary; and likewise signifies as verbal noun a state of one being all by himself, solitary, whole

                                Some secondary ideas, such as those of the whole, the part, the like, and the different, which are usually designated in English by adjectives, prepositions, or compound words, are expressed in Arabic by substantives, taking the primary substantives, to which they are attached, in the genitive, such as http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/4.gif It is always in construct.
                                When used elliptically-extremely concise in writing, it always has the "nunation of compensation"

                                When the first radical is accusative it refers to whole entity - all by himself/itself ? http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/19.gif Noun/Quasi Active participle Singular, masculine; nominative; and http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun Indefinite; accusative, referring to a person who is not only all by himself but in biological relationship also has only one surviving parent and may have only one son.

                                http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1270).htm

                                For detailed analysis of http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif please read here

                                http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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                                  Rilum
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                                  Peace all, Salam Aleikum everyone.

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                                    The_Sardar
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                                    #131

                                    Salam/Peace.

                                    It seems there is a root word that is missing it's meaning in PRL

                                    Nun-Kaf-Lam =

                                    ankal n.m. (pl. of nikl) 7312

                                    nakal n.m. 266, 538, 7925

                                    nakkala vb. (2) n.vb. 484

                                    Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 292 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nkl

                                    No meaning is sighted sadly.

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                                      Mazhar
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                                      Root

                                      Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

                                      a) Total occurrences 5

                                      b) No of constructions 4 All Nouns

                                      Ibn Faris stated

                                      ( &#1577

                                      That it leads to the perception of preventing, barring, restraining, hindering.

                                      http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1501).htm

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                                        Wakas
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                                        Sorted now.

                                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                          The_Sardar
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                                          In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

                                          Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

                                          ba'uda vb. (1)
                                          perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
                                          n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

                                          ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

                                          ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

                                          ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

                                          LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

                                          Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

                                          http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

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