Challenge to all rejectors of the Divinity of Al-Quraan : Moderated Debates
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- What you write doesn't emote me personally
- However, I do intend to clarify things for present and future readers.
Go ahead and clarify "things" for the present and future readers.
But leave me out of it.You didn't want to be left out of it.
Oh yes I do! So beat it chap. Go and harass someone else.
Take it or not, it will be clear that people like yourself aren't exactly forthright in your convictions.
My convictions are with myself and God alone.
Sure, what you can do is, declare that all the tripe you posted before was unsubstantiated and that you never did any research. Then it'd be a moot point to challenge you.
I declare that all that I have written was good enough to upset you.
If your righteous behaviour is between you and God, then my point regarding you 'book-free' spiritualists is made even before the debate. You guys simply create your ethos as you go along. It's ok to defecate on the views of others but not ok for them to challenge you. How 'just'...
My justice is with me and my God Alone.
Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and think about "righteousness"....Regards,
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It's not good enough for me either (because that's not why al-quraan is divine anyway) but seeing your 'will fall back' statement has disclosed your research into the matter. Sad to see you stopped where you stopped.
What makes you assume that i have stopped with anything? I have just seen these debates ad naseum, and they always end up in. The Quran is right because the Quran says so.
Peace
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Peace soul2squeeze. Nice post...
I asked 'what one means by god',because on this forum alone,there are several differing views of god,his attributes,and his power...the debators could clarify their view of god beforehand...
If all truth is from god,then any truthful book is divine...
If the criteria for a book being divine,is the abscence of contradictions,then a phone-book or science journal can be divine...
If a book having scientific accuracies in it,or accurate predictions/scientific predictions in it,qualifies it as being divine,then the bible,some scientific american issues,and nostradamus' work are also divine...
This topic is a veritable pandoras box....And without being patronising...I think some people do not have the skills to debate un-emotionally on this topic...Not yet anyway....Those who want to discuss civily,without the need for moderators,will continue to discuss to seek better understandings,and not to defend their books or views at all costs...
Peace all. If the discussion doesnt lead to some benefit,understanding,or peace what is the point? (KGB;i welcome a civil disussion at your request. .) -
Enquirer
I decliined to discuss Qur'an with you when you invite for discussion because of the very bad experiences in the past where I was called the some stupid person, sunni terrorist. I can have discussion with you now just like a fierce tennis match with no personal grudges.
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Peace KGB. Thats fine...Just to clarify,i am not aware that i personally have called you any bad names....
Im happy that we can discuss like a 'fierce' tennis match,and shake hands afterwards....You want to play on grass or clay?... -
Peace Enquirer
You did never call me any names that is the truth but I avioded you because of past bad experiences.
I can play on all fields (Qur'an - understanding with the help of translations and logic; slow courts) clay court, politics (grass and fast courts). ;D
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Soul2squeezeLOTETREE or anyone else - believes the quran has contradictions, state your case! What do you have to lose? If you have thoroughly come to that conclusion then educate us all. There is nothing wrong with being wrong in the end either. There are a few times where I believed in something and someone on this forum challenged my core beliefs. I had to go back to the drawing board and reevaluate. In the end, I am a winner because I either grow from a new learning experience or I hold closer to my own faith. God commands us to tread lightly on this earth and not be so arrogant to believe you are taller than the mountains. Take others' opinions with a grain of salt but also your own and you will go far.
That's good you do this. However, don't expect this from Danish, Enquirer or Lote-Tree. They are here simply to show 'quraniyeen' that they are more evolved. They have 'evolved' beyond the book they disparage and that the book is outdated. It's a different story however, when they are challenged.
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Peace KGB. Ok,im very happy to see progress...You never know we could have a friendly wimbledon,with no rain... bravo yay
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Peace mquran. I have asked you a question....You said you dislike when people run away from questions...Why dont you answer the question please?...What makes you think i will formalise a debate with you my friend?....I dont need a moderated debate....I try to generally use my manners anyway...I have criteria for indulging in debates....And one of those is respect between debaters..... )
Peace all. ps;whos running now? Im waiting for your reply,and im standing still... group -
EnquirerPeace mquran. I have asked you a question....You said you dislike when people run away from questions...Why dont you answer the question please?
Because I have no gurantee of your response. Your previous conduct prevents me from having an informal discussion with you.
...What makes you think i will formalise a debate with you my friend?....
Nothing. To do that would take sincerety which you don't have.
I dont need a moderated debate....I try to generally use my manners anyway...
HAHAHA. So you think it's about manners? Even though I've explained this, I will explain it again for you. It's about COMMITMENT TO THE DEBATE. In other words, when you call people to respond, have the decency to stand up for yourself. Don't skulk away. Do you understand this?
I have criteria for indulging in debates....And one of those is respect between debaters.....
No. Your criteria is, your debating partner must be (severely) unable to return your arguments so that your greatness becomes extolled. It's really as simple as that.
Peace all. ps;whos running now? Im waiting for your reply,and im standing still...
I told you, only formal debates. I'm not discussing anything with people who have no staying power, sorry.
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Go ahead and clarify "things" for the present and future readers.
But leave me out of it.The challenge has been issued. You don't have to answer it if you don't want to (or can't).
Oh yes I do! So beat it chap. Go and harass someone else.
Do you see the underlined 'do' above? I said 'DID' , which is past tense.
My convictions are with myself and God alone.
Well, the strength of them are now being challenged.
I declare that all that I have written was good enough to upset you.
I don't need to get upset. All I need to do is to keep issuing the challenge. People should then see you and your cohorts truthfulness.
My justice is with me and my God Alone.
Well, if you're happy , good for you.
Perhaps you need to look in the mirror and think about "righteousness"....
There's no 'perhaps' about it. If you think i'm out of order, you're more than welcome to tell me about it. Unlike yourself, I don't mind being told off.
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Peace mquran. Do you really think that you trying to 'entice' me,is going to make me respond to your 'moderated' debate?...Didnt i discuss a few matters on salat and zakat with you only a few days ago?...Did i run from you then?...Only on one thread did i retract myself (the contradictions in the quran thread.) from fully answering...And that was for many reasons which i have previously explained...Do you really expect me to discuss with insults,accusations about sincerity,entrenced views etc.thrown about?....And further some people get soo emotional,they dont even read the points that a poster tries to make...
Further i see a tactic,where if one translation does not suit reality,then a new translation is made....
I really am getting worried about why you are so 'obssessed' with this moderated debate and the quran?!!....I think you should get over the fact that most people do not want to debate with you,because you do not embody their version of quranic morality,or even general morality....I suggest you work on your approach.....And i mean that sincerely as a human being...
Peace all. group sun yay ps; I doubt the people you want to 'discuss' with want a moderated debate,when this kind of attitude is displayed... -
MagiWhat makes you assume that i have stopped with anything? I have just seen these debates ad naseum, and they always end up in. The Quran is right because the Quran says so.
So you base your conclusion on the fact of the content of debates? That's funny considering your sense of individuality in other things. In THIS thing you don't mind being fed. Oh well, that's your business...
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EnquirerPeace mquran. Do you really think that you trying to 'entice' me,is going to make me respond to your 'moderated' debate?...
Don't flatter yourself. The challenge is unlikely to be answered anyway given whom it was issued to.
Didnt i discuss a few matters on salat and zakat with you only a few days ago?...Did i run from you then?...
Proving my point indeed. As soon as you get challenged, you run. You need it to be nice and breezy - and of course the carte blanche to criticise as much as you like without being accountable. And you talk of DECENCY.
Only on one thread did i retract myself (the contradictions in the quran thread.) from fully answering...And that was for many reasons which i have previously explained...Do you really expect me to discuss with insults,accusations about sincerity,entrenced views etc.thrown about?....
Oh PLEASE. I was more than ready to respond but lets face facts, you didn't know what a 'nafs' was and you never read the verse, only a translation. Your grasp of the issue was about your grasp of Nietzsche and his 'spirituality' (ooops !).
And further some people get soo emotional,they dont even read the points that a poster tries to make...
Further i see a tactic,where if one translation does not suit reality,then a new translation is made....Really ? PROVE IT or will this be another hidey-hole arguments?
I really am getting worried about why you are so 'obssessed' with this moderated debate and the quran?!!....
No need to be because you and your associates will never step up.
I think you should get over the fact that most people do not want to debate with you,because you do not embody their version of quranic morality,or even general morality....
Most people? I only asked THREE people, all of whom I know are too afraid to lose face to step up. Because to you guys, it's all about that, you see.
I suggest you work on your approach.....And i mean that sincerely as a human being...
And i suggest you work on your honesty and sincerety.
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Peace mquran....You should study politics...Then you could learn the etiquette of 'proper' debates...
Danish and lote-tree have stepped up to the plate many times in the past...I have given my views and opinions....
I suggest you ponder over my current assertion that,whether one believes in the quran as gods words or not,is SUBJECTIVE my friend...
This way you might save a lot of effort,unnecessary discussion,and energy in your posts...Agree to disagree my friend...Its how the world works... yay
Peace all. ps; Shall we debate whether KFC is better than mcdonalds?...Because thats subjective too... Thank god i live in some kind of democracy... bravo yay group -
Peace mquran....You should study politics...Then you could learn the etiquette of 'proper' debates...
Oh please stop your excuses. If you won't, you won't. I expected that from you anyhow.
Danish and lote-tree have stepped up to the plate many times in the past...I have given my views and opinions....
To a situation where they can pull one of your stunts and run, sure. Lote-Tree's already shown his affinity for a formal debate. So have you. I'm just waiting for Danish.
I suggest you ponder over my current assertion that,whether one believes in the quran as gods words or not,is SUBJECTIVE my friend...
Wow, really ?!! This a whole new revelation. You better get this published alongside your thesis on Neitzsche's 'spirituality'.
This way you might save a lot of effort,unnecessary discussion,and energy in your posts...Agree to disagree my friend...Its how the world works...
Hehe, you still don't get it, do you? Once again I don't care if you agree or not but i'm going to try to show present and future readers that you and your friends are fake. It's not too difficult considering you won't even step up.
Peace all. ps; Shall we debate whether KFC is better than mcdonalds?...Because thats subjective too... Thank god i live in some kind of democracy...
Democracy, is that what you live in? I thought you lived in the UK.