Fighting in the cause of God
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NeoWhat exactly are you arguing for here anyway, that everyone in the world should be muslim and the only recognized legality should stem from the Quran?
If by 'arguing' you mean asserting a policy whether in discourse or in the world (my interpretation of the word 'tahajja' then that's what I'm arguing for, a 'mulkus Sulaimaan' as mentioned in al-quraan.
Are you serious? If so, how do you validate your claims against the mountain of other belief systems claiming the exact same thing?
There's no conceptual validation insofar as I cannot go into your heart and verify for you. The only way is to implement our system as best we can and let Allah keep His promise.
Let me now ask you Why do you sound so incredulous at this?
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I like your version of Islam...
lol maybe you'll convert yay
It entails upholding the verses you probably think are
cooland simply ignoring or rejecting the verses you may see asunpopular.no Layth, to be honest there is NOTHING
coolabout ANY verse in the Quran. I don't read quran because I think it iscool, it is far from cool, not that I care ). You can't quote THAT verse in ordinary circumstances. (like the time Enq went off-topic ))You are trying to please people while it was God all along you should have cared about pleasing.
no you are assuming that i am pleasing people. When I was a traditional Muslim and I believed that adulterers were stoned to death, the hands of thieves were amputated, homosexuals should be killed, etc. I couldn't care less about what people thought then so why should I care now.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don't expect anything better from an Arab )), you can't quote that particular verse whenever you feel like it ignoring the fact that the punishment must never be worse then the crime.
9/97 The Arabs are very staunch in disbelief and hypocrisy. They do not regard the limits revealed by God to his messenger. And God is knowledgably and Judge. ignore (translated by Aidid Safar)
The Scripture has a complete
take-it or leave-itapproach...We either accept it all from God and try to uphold it, or we simply walk away rejecting the entire book because we disagree with some of its content.it is also like a jigsaw puzzle, make sure you take it all in full context.
What is your say...Do you uphold all or nothing?
yes all of it, i also so like to read it in full context too!
peace,
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Layth, remember she is 17............. D don't take it to serious....
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Sugarno Layth, to be honest there is NOTHING
coolabout ANY verse in the Quran. I don't read quran because I think it iscool, it is far from cool, not that I care . You can't quote THAT verse in ordinary circumstancesI think al-quraan is the coolest. I've read some human philosophy and find them grasping at the reality of the human being. Al-quraan's discourse comes with a voice so sure of reality (and this assurance is justified) that it could only come from Allah and that is pretty darned cool.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don't expect anything better from an Arab ),
In the words of David Brent (The Office 11) That's racist!
9/97 The Arabs are very staunch in disbelief and hypocrisy. They do not regard the limits revealed by God to his messenger. And God is knowledgably and Judge. (translated by Aidid Safar)
Aidid Safar was wrong here. Al-a'raabu as mentioned in 9/97 is opposite to 'ahlul-madeenah' as with the context (you like reading in context, right ? ) of 9/120. The word 'araab' referring to the Arab people can be found in 41/44, 16/103 etc. Its Aarab not al-a'raab.
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Layth, remember she is 17............. D don't take it to serious....
that does not give him the right to ignore me.
Arnold you still have not said how you would define "fighting in the cause of God"...
peace,
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Layth, remember she is 17............. D don't take it to serious....
that does not give him the right to ignore me.
Arnold you still have not said how you would define "fighting in the cause of God"...
why do you think i would? D
And elena, it was a joke. dear sugar knows that....she reminds me of my girlfriend.... D
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i hoped that the smily was clue enough
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I think al-quraan is the coolest. I've read some human philosophy and find them grasping at the reality of the human being. Al-quraan's discourse comes with a voice so sure of reality (and this assurance is justified) that it could only come from Allah and that is pretty darned cool.
being a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don't expect anything better from an Arab ),
In the words of David Brent (The Office 11) That's racist!
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs.
Layth quoted a highly controversial verse when Enquirer was off-topic. And he accused me of hypocrisy because i disagreed with the context he used it in.
Aidid Safar was wrong here. Al-a'raabu as mentioned in 9/97 is opposite to 'ahlul-madeenah' as with the context (you like reading in context, right ? ) of 9/120. The word 'araab' referring to the Arab people can be found in 41/44, 16/103 etc. Its Aarab not al-a'raab.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse ignore
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
peace,
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Peace,
You can\\\'t quote THAT verse in ordinary circumstances
If you have some knowledge to share on how and where the verse under diuscussion is to be used, then please share it...However, simply whinning about a verse because you may not like its application does not negate the fact that the verse exists and that believers in the book of the Almighty are obliged to accept it.
Layth your a bloody tyrant (but i don\\\'t expect anything better from an Arab ), you can\\\'t quote that particular verse whenever you feel like it ignoring the fact that the punishment must never be worse then the crime.
Hmm, I am a tyrant because you did not like a verse that was being quoted (should we just delete it with the help of our old friend Abu Huraira?)...
Better to be a tyrant than to pick & chose from God`s book.
`But then here you are killing each other and driving out a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was forbidden for you to drive them out! Do you believe in some of the Scripture and disbelieve in some? The punishment for those amongst you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be returned to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do. (285)
9/97 The Arabs are very staunch in disbelief and hypocrisy. They do not regard the limits revealed by God to his messenger. And God is knowledgably and Judge. (translated by Aidid Safar)
Yes, birds of a feather do indeed flock together...Nice to see you quoting a racist to justify your own racism against arabic speaking people.
Had you had the integrity (which you lack) you would not dare play this game of twisting God`s verses into managled meanings so as to justify your own racist stand.
Aaraab = Nomads
Look-up the verses that use this occurance...Oh, I forgot, you only take that which you like and ignore/mangle that which does not serve your purpose.
Layth, remember she is 17............. don\\\'t take it to serious....
Would you bet on that?
Someone who lies about God and twsists His words can very easily lie about his identity.
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Sugarbeing a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Al-quraan has a clear-cut method for its reader to acquire the right meaning. Controversy comes when we abandon this method in favour of methods we create ourselves. Wrongful interpretations always create contradictions.
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs
No, you quoted Aidid's interpretation of an ayat. An interpretation he's unable to defend. I've personally forwarded this to him when I was part of the editorial team for the first edition of Arab Conspiracies.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
Then can YOU explain why, when al-quraan speaks of its language and the people who first recieves it, it uses a whole other word (Aarab instead of al-a'raabu). Can you explain why the 'al' is in 'al-a'raabu' when 'al' in Arabic cannot refer to a proper name? We need you to explain because Aidid cannot.
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Layth I can whine all i like >D
Not only are you accusing me of hypocrisy you are also accusing me of lying about god and telling porkies on the forum. You may be the Admin but that does not give you the right to act like a knobjockey!
`But then here you are killing each other and driving out a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was forbidden for you to drive them out! Do you believe in some of the Scripture and disbelieve in some? The punishment for those amongst you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be returned to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do. (285)
I would NEVER do anything like that so why quote that o o o o o
imo that sounds more like you ignore
Someone who lies about God and twsists His words can very easily lie about his identity.
I?m a girl.
but then again you would probably accuse me of lying again!.
Arnold i am still waiting for your answer...
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Sugarbeing a controversial multiple meaning scripture that leads to so much problems in it's interpretation is NOT COOL.
Al-quraan has a clear-cut method for its reader to acquire the right meaning. Controversy comes when we abandon this method in favour of methods we create ourselves. Wrongful interpretations always create contradictions.
I quoted from the Quran to justify my hostility towards the Arabs
No, you quoted Aidid's interpretation of an ayat. An interpretation he's unable to defend. I've personally forwarded this to him when I was part of the editorial team for the first edition of Arab Conspiracies.
come off it! That is the best translation i have ever seen of that verse
He even explained why he translated it like that in his book.
Then can YOU explain why, when al-quraan speaks of its language and the people who first recieves it, it uses a whole other word (Aarab instead of al-a'raabu). Can you explain why the 'al' is in 'al-a'raabu' when 'al' in Arabic cannot refer to a proper name? We need you to explain because Aidid cannot.
okay you win...
Sorry Layth! groupbut the Quran is still not
coolit never has been and never will be.peace,
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And you can wait till you're old enough to vote....... D
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why? confused
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Sugar kay you win...
While it's not about 'winning', I'm very glad you see the point. I consider Aidid to be an excellent student of al-quraan and it was he who pushed the envelop some years ago. However, this racist interpretations of his really diminished his credibility.
but the Quran is still not
coolit never has been and never will be.Depends on your definition of cool. Since there's no furqaan about 'coolness', there's no basis for argument.
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Sorry Layth!
It does not bother me what you have said (I have been called worse)...And I am surely no angel
What did bother me was the way you allowed your negative feelings towards arab speaking people to quote Aidid who altered God`s words to say what God never said.
