The Obsession to translate the untranslatable.
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Peace Wakas,
I forgot to say that 434 is a hypothetical, i.e. "IF you fear...", thus if you choose "badger them" then this seems unfair, as they are being badgered for no apparent reason/offence. Furthermore, as far as I'm aware the notion of punishment prior to any crime being committed is unheard of in 'the reading'. I could be mistaken however, as I have not studied this aspect thoroughly. If it is correct however, then this would significantly reduce the likelihood of "badger". What do you think?
I agree with you on both, the notion that it is a hypothetical scenario and to punish with no crime committed is very unfair. I share your position on those views, but I guess that I should add that even if we all agree on leave them, it would still be unfair to leave her (a punishment) if no crime is committed.
Oh wait, I think I get what your referring to with 1424, i.e. repetition likened to badgering. I see what you meanp
Yes exactly. The same way a Lawyer Badgers a witness in court. Or the same way a child Badgers/Pesters his parents when he badly wants something.
but I dont think it would fit with the Arabic. If you can provide a trans. of 1424 to clarify.
Actually, I think you are right Wakas. I read this verse a good 5 or 6 times in arabic. Due to the grammatical usages of that verse, it would be impossible for me to translate it as such without ignoring grammar rules and forcing an arbitrary translation.
Because of that, I feel compelled to re-examine my position and understanding on this issue. Unless and until I can find stronger evidence in the quran for badgering, I will have to attach myself to the leave them understanding which is the only other logical understanding available (for me, beat/strike them is NOT an option)
As always, I enjoy exchanges of understandings with you Brother.
Peace,
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peace Damon,
I dont see "leave them (be)" as a punishment.
I see it as a "time out", which I believe is often done between couples when things get heated. In fact, when people need to think upon some advice they've been given, I'm sure they take time out to ponder over it. This seems reasonable to me.
Wakas
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Peace brother Wakas,
peace Damon,
I dont see "leave them (be)" as a punishment.
I see it as a "time out", which I believe is often done between couples when things get heated. In fact, when people need to think upon some advice they've been given, I'm sure they take time out to ponder over it. This seems reasonable to me.
Wakas
Yes, I agree Wakas. I was understanding "leave them (be)" as a "permanent" solution when I brought it up.
So, I agree with you at this point that the most logical understanding would be to "leave them (be)", now I would like to study it some more to be sure that it is a time out as opposed to a pack your bags and leaving for good situation.
Salaam Wakas,
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, see
http//www.globalwebpost.com/farooqm/study_res/islam/gender/abusulayman_nowifebeating.html
http//www.islamicperspectives.com/Quran-4-34.htm
