?How does one talk with , God.
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Salaams all,
Just summerising it all.
2559 The One who created the heavens and the Earth and what is between them in six days, then He settled to the throne. The Almighty; SO ASK HIM FOR HE IS EXPERT.
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When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them) I LISTEN TO THE PRAYER OF EVERY SUPPLIANT WHEN HE CALLETH ON ME LET THEM ALSO, WITH A WILL, LISTEN TO MY CALL, and believe in Me That they may walk in the right way.
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And your Lord says "CALL ON ME; I WILL ANSWER YOUR (Prayer) but those who are too arrogant to serve Me will surely find themselves in Hell - in humiliation!"So could we ask and get directed by the Almighty.
The ayah's depict a two way communication thingy.
Do you ask and are answered -I think it does.I think the advancing world tends to associate these things with the persons mind - the conscious mind and the sub-conscious various the quran adheres to you and Allah.
Is it possible to say even the guidance you receive in your mind say the direction of your school the road map is from Allah also? What do you think?
I.e. if you think of your local school say instantly you get the direction as well as the map of where it is in your head.
SUB-CONSCIOUS
It Calculates, Plots and Plans and never makes a mistake.I think I can?t say where Allah is but we do know where the subconscious is, and may be Allah works via this biological device to influence us in different ways if one deserves enough.
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YUSUFALI It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.The subconscious mind is analytical. It creates, computes, plots, plans and NEVER makes a mistake! It is this part of the mind that we use least but rely on most.
http//www.submityourarticle.com/articles/Maya-Jakes-468/mind-power-1824.php
May be when we say/think 2+4=? Answer is from Allah. So All such thoughts we receive may be from Allah and that is why He says to
"CALL ON ME; I WILL ANSWER YOU?
When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close.
So is this how Allah wants us to ask Him and be answered?
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YUSUFALI They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).As He certainly doesn?t want us following others before Him.
And who doesn?t Allah answer?
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YUSUFALI As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter Nor will Allah (Deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleans them (of sin) They shall have a grievous penalty.So who are these people who Allah doesn?t answer I will let you ponder on that-look around the world-please.
Gods Blessings.
By the way I also have a belief that human minds sub-consciously are linked, as I and many other people have seen that you may receive certain thoughts when other people are talking about them.
And sometimes you may have a dream at the time someone is talking about you or something????.strange or what.
I have often experienced this myself.
Salaams.
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SUB-CONSCIOUS
It Calculates, Plots and Plans and never makes a mistake.Salam Simple,
The sub-conscious does make mistakes.
Here is a quote from wikipedia on the subconscioushttp//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious
"The subconscious mind is halfway between the conscious thinking mind and the unconscious mind or collective unconscious.
The thinking mind would be the consciousness and is able to reason and make meaning of things.The subconscious mind is the recording mechanism that records information based on how it was perceived by the judging thinking mind.
The unconscious mind is a record of things how they innately are without judgement and is thought to be outside of time and space so therefore is a record of everything in the past, present and future.
The subconscious mind takes info from the conscious mind and puts it into the unconscious mind and likewise, the subconscious mind pulls information from the unconscious mind and surfaces through the conscious mind in the form of ideas, inspirations, etc..."
So, if the sub-conscious mind takes info from the conscious mind and we all admit that consciously we make mistakes, then the sub-conscious mind is limited to the abilities of the conscious mind and how it judges and percieves the world and the events in the world. So therefore, the sub-conscious does make mistakes since the conscious mind that it relies on for its information makes mistakes.
I think I can?t say where Allah is but we do know where the subconscious is, and may be Allah works via this biological device to influence us in different ways if one deserves enough.
Actually the subconscious is not biological. If you surgically explore the brain or any other part of the human body for that matter you will never find the conscious or it's mate the "sub-conscious." And no one knows where the conscious or sub-conscious is. It has been the subject of much debate amongst Doctors, Philosophers, Religious Scholars and just about everyone else right down to the average person.
The subconscious mind is analytical. It creates, computes, plots, plans and NEVER makes a mistake! It is this part of the mind that we use least but rely on most.
http//www.submityourarticle.com/articles/Maya-Jakes-468/mind-power-1824.php
I think you may be basing your information on an unreliable source, perhaps you should do more research before drawing conclusions. You may want to ask where this person gets her information, and what sources she has to back up this article. Plus, when I visited this link, I got the impression she was trying to sell me something. And sure enough if you go to the mindpower.com/blogspot at the top of her article she is recommending products. In addition, there are numerous ads that are surrounding these articles written by people who aren't listing their sources. I personally would not count this person as a reliable source for information.
But, aside from all this, to answer your main question God answers us in many different ways.
Salam,
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So could we ask and get directed by the AllmightY.
Yes, and I think we all have our different methods for connecting and recieving guidance from God. For me its definitely art, and the message is soothing, it always is "Everything is going to be alright."
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So therefore, the sub-conscious does make mistakes since the conscious mind that it relies on for its information makes mistakes.
According to your interpretation my Brother Because there are worms in the fields and as you eat produce from the fields therefor you eat worms aswell.
You could substitute sh-t in place of worms aswell!!!!!!!!!!!
You get my drift?
Your reasoning is absurd-Sorry in this case ,its quite good in other places though.
I think you may be basing your information on an unreliable source, perhaps you should do more research before drawing conclusions. You may want to ask where this person gets her information, and what sources she has to back up this article. Plus, when I visited this link, I got the impression she was trying to sell me something. And sure enough if you go to the mindpower.com/blogspot at the top of her article she is recommending products. In addition, there are numerous ads that are surrounding these articles written by people who aren't listing their sources. I personally would not count this person as a reliable source for information.
I have done a lot of research Br.
More then you could imagine-i think.
But if it doesn't attract you then no harm done, may be your understanding is better then mine.
But my own advice its quite ineresting the sub-cinsciouse and would advice anybody to have a look at it-might click something.
God Bless you.
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Yes, and I think we all have our different methods for connecting and recieving guidance from God. For me its definitely art, and the message is soothing, it always is "Everything is going to be alright."
peace,
KhalilAnd yes khalil we have our own methods of connecting absolutely-true.
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Peace be upon you,
Wow, I didnt expect this conversation to take off, but I am glad it has.
Arnab, thanks for starting to dig deeper into the verses...I hope you can open the verses enough for me to get inside and have a look. My weakness in Arabic prevebnts me from certain things until it is clarified enough that I can take what I already know and make sense of it.
Regarding the so called subconscious (that concept was created by people who want to take the God out of creation, it is really the Spirit/Nafs), it makes no mistakes because it is based on LAW. It is metaphorized as a garden, because what you put in is what you get out. The only "mistakes" come from our ability to properly cultivate it, and that is our job on earth, to purify the nafs, those who do succeed, those that dont fail.
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Peace be upon you Savage Carrot,
Thanks for listing the verses, can someone bold and undrline the words that are being translated in all three verses as "divination", so we can all be on the same page.
344 Thalika min anba-i alghaybi nooheehi ilayka wama kunta ladayhim ith yulqoona aqlamahum ayyuhum yakfulu maryama wama kunta ladayhim ith yakhtasimoona
53 Hurrimat AAalaykumu almaytatu waalddamu walahmu alkhinzeeri wama ohilla lighayri Allahi bihi waalmunkhaniqatu waalmawqoothatu waalmutaraddiyatu waalnnateehatu wama akala alssabuAAu illa ma thakkaytum wama thubiha AAala alnnusubi waan tastaqsimoo bial-azlami thalikum fisqun alyawma ya-isa allatheena kafaroo min deenikum fala takhshawhum waikhshawni alyawma akmaltu lakum deenakum waatmamtu AAalaykum niAAmatee waradeetu lakumu al-islama deenan famani idturra fee makhmasatin ghayra mutajanifin li-ithmin fa-inna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun
590 Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo innama alkhamru waalmaysiru waal-ansabu waal-azlamu rijsun min AAamali alshshaytani faijtaniboohu laAAallakum tuflihoona
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Peace be upon you Savage Carrot,
I always thought that the people who did this 'raffle' thing were not inclusive of Zakirya.
Why? I see no reason to say he was not there, how could they have done a raffle that he was part of without him being there to witness the answer? If he wasnt there they might have well lied and not done anything at al and just said they did.
There is a possibility that they wrote down people's names on them, whether part of the group who actually participated in this or not after deciding, as the last phrase in 344 as 'you were not with them when they disputed.'
The "you" is the all of us who read the story, not Zachariah. We are being told we did not witness it, just as we are told the same thing about Musa on the side of the mount.
doesn't seem like something zakirya would have done or taken part in, does it?
Why not? Especially when many cultures recognize divination as a correct way to get information from the spirit(nafs). Zakariyah is the sae as you and I. Musa even killed a man. Jonah ran from his duty. Ibraheem went up in the "church" and vandalized it, all except the biggest one ;D
If they were pulling straws (with no names and the shortest straw gets it) then they would have to all be involved and if it was a draw or something then no, they didn't need to involve all the people who were included in the names. I don't know, unless the difference is determined, we can't really reach a conclusion.
I dont see where the idea that Zakariah was not there comes from in the first place.
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Peace be upon you Fahad,
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It is divination. Using objects like cards, coins, etc where you ask a question and throw the coinsor pick cards to get the answer.The only objects mentioned in the verse are "their pens".
So the use of other objects would be, what do we call it... 'unquranic'.
What do you think?
The God says it teaches man by means of the "pen", and the Universe is symbolized as "The Book", so everything "written" is a sign(ayat) that speaks to man, fro the horizons to withn ourselves.
Prophets are those who can intuit truths, the solutions to problems, we all have this POTENTIAL, but until we can develop it, we are given oracle systems.
Playing cards, dominoes and MANY games were orginally used as oracles.
Lastly, oracles as I have been taught them are not fortune telling, but a way to see ahead of time what kinds of adversityies would be coming your way, NOT to avoid them, but to prepare your spirit to go through the adversity in peace. However, more primitive oracles such as urim and thummim gave just yes or no answers.
Again, oracles can only be verified through learning them and practicing them. I have found the Metu Neter Oracle and the I ching oracle of China to be mind blowing. I expect no one to believe that just on word of mouth.
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Peace be upon you Asperin,
Yes, I am thinking that the verse that speaks of abomination speaks to lotteries and such things, but the verse regarding zachariah deals with oracles. regarding lottery, why would you make a game out of giving away money when so many people OBVIOUSLY need money, and now others who have money can get into the game, thats wicked. However if you went to the God through an oracle, the God would guide you to who to give money to and who not to give money to. Perhaps someone who looks poor is asking for money, but the oracle says, no, dont give them money because what we cant see is that this person will hurt themslef with the money by buying crack cocaine or something.
The story of Joseph show us how we can get a glimpse of future events from within our spirit(nafs). Joseph's story is a lesson on the spirit and culture(that which shapes the spirit). The WELL is an old symbol for culture, because all people in the town go to the well to fetch water in the dark recesses of the earth that cant be seen, and they take that very same water home to nourish thier families. Culture.
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Peace be upon you Savage Carrot,
There is a young woman in China who recieved the Chinese version of the Nobel Peace prize for finding the mathematical conection of the 64 hexagrams of the I ching with the 64 DNA strands, or something like this.
I offer this just for those who want to dig deeper into the science of the ONE STATEMENT (universe), where all things are connected.
I will be studying that futher myself, but I have already seen the Oracles work in my life, and it is not a thing to give you the advatage over people, just to give you the advatage over your own spirit, so you can prepare, not avoid.
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Peace Kyle,
Why? I see no reason to say he was not there, how could they have done a raffle that he was part of without him being there to witness the answer? If he wasnt there they might have well lied and not done anything at al and just said they did.
I dont see where the idea that Zakariah was not there comes from in the first place.
Imagine someone taking part in a raffle by signifying his consent and/or putting the coupon in the mail/box/whatever and leaving. One doesn't have to be physically present there then. If they lied or didn't lie it doesn't matter, as if that was the focus of the story, it would be mentioned in the quran.
The "you" is the all of us who read the story, not Zachariah. We are being told we did not witness it, just as we are told the same thing about Musa on the side of the mount.
I underlined a specific part of the verse, not the 'you were not with them'.
Why not? Especially when many cultures recognize divination as a correct way to get information from the spirit(nafs). Zakariyah is the sae as you and I. Musa even killed a man. Jonah ran from his duty. Ibraheem went up in the "church" and vandalized it, all except the biggest one
I don't see divination as many cultures do to be necessarily correct and/or something encouraged in the quran. The raffles/lots were done to choose someone with minimal fuss as everyone has an equal chance of being picked, there is no talk of communication with God when this was taking place or if it even was the intention.
There is a young woman in China who recieved the Chinese version of the Nobel Peace prize for finding the mathematical conection of the 64 hexagrams of the I ching with the 64 DNA strands, or something like this.
I offer this just for those who want to dig deeper into the science of the ONE STATEMENT (universe), where all things are connected.
I will be studying that futher myself, but I have already seen the Oracles work in my life, and it is not a thing to give you the advatage over people, just to give you the advatage over your own spirit, so you can prepare, not avoid.
We see things differently then. I wish you all the best with whichever method works for you.
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Peace be upon you,
respeced, lets however continue searching and see what we find.
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Peace,
It's always a pleasure discussing with you )
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Sorry to say ;
We see things differently then
I second that kyle.
my belief in Oracle - there isn't Any and yet on other subjects we are closely linked.
My Salaam.
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Peace be upon you Savage Carrot and Simple,
It is a pleasure to discuss with you both also, because we dont have to digress to arguing(jidala) on that which we dont see eye to eye upon.
But of course, you know I must now dig deeper to see if I can bring a stronger evidence )
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Peace Kyle,
If you don't mind, could you explain to me what the oracle(s) represents? From where does it draw it's ability? What is the "science" behind it? I don't mean science in conventional terms but in terms of it's functionality.
As you're aware, I'm convinced that we all have the ability to "talk with God" via meditation and other means. And you know I'm convinced of the unity we exist within. I'm just a bit confused on where you place the oracle within this understanding.
Thanks,
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Peace
I've only read bits and pieces of this thread so my post may sound way off key here
but it's my understanding that time is only an illusion. The idea that there is a past present and future is only something humans use to understand this universe. on a different plane, the Almighty does not deal with this time issue.... therefore anything or person used to "predict the future" may not really be predicting anything but rather tapping into the Universal Energy and catching glimpses of that fusion of all that we categorize as past present and future as one.
it's my experience that those who are gifted with this blessing are all deeply spiritual people, which reinforces my idea that they really have just reached that level of being able to tap into a different level that the average person is too consumed with the "daily routine" to reach.
sorry if this is way off topic ;D ;D ;D
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Peace be upon you Tay,
I read your question and I want to go home to give this response so I can take my time
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Peace be upon you Tay,
I went home and forgot )
Anyway...
If you don't mind, could you explain to me what the oracle(s) represents? From where does it draw it's ability? What is the "science" behind it? I don't mean science in conventional terms but in terms of it's functionality.
As you're aware, I'm convinced that we all have the ability to "talk with God" via meditation and other means. And you know I'm convinced of the unity we exist within. I'm just a bit confused on where you place the oracle within this understanding.
Basically, we all have the ability to intuit the solution to problems, thats what Prophets are, however most will never reach that potential, but the God still allows for such a person to communicate with "IT", until they grow enough to intuit from within without use of the oracles. An Oracle is just a "mouth" through which the God uses symbols to communicate to man.
I just wanted to give an answer at this point, I will try to elaborate soon.