OUR GOD
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Precisely, if your God is difference to Allah, we must be different shape in bone and flesh.
I really like this line in an answer ti my post and I think all need to read it. And this is 100000% Correct. If the GOD any of us believe in is different then we must then be different in shape and in bone and flesh. I will be opening a new topic about this also please read it it will be titled Our GOD.
IF IT IS BELIEVED BY YOU FAITH LOVELYMOSLEMS AND OTHERS HERE ARE OF YOUR FAITH AND THIS IS ALSO A TRUTH IN MY FAITH. WHY THEN IS IT SO HARDFOR EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. AND WHY THEN DO YOU ALL THINK OUR FAITHS ARE SO DIFFERENT. IF WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD. AND THAT GOD MAY US ALL ALIKE IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS. THEN I ASK THIS QUESTION WHY DO WE BELIEVE DIFFERENT IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS. COULD IT BE THAT OUR FORFATHERS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. AND COULD IT BE THAT MANY OF US ALL BELIEVING A FALSE TRUTH IN SOME FORM OR FASION. AND COULD IT BE THEN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A CLOSE ENOUGH RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR GOD THAT HE CAN TELL US THE TRUTH WE NEED TO BELIEVE. THERFORE LEADING US UNTO THE ONE TRUE WAY AND THEROFRE WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO LEAN TWORD MANS UNDERSTANDING WHICH COULD BE WRONG AND COULD ULTIMALY LEAD US TO HELL.
PLEASE WOULD ALL WHO READ RESPOND I WOULD LIKE AS MUCH INPUT ABOUT THIS AS POSSIBLE
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peace Abuja,
AND COULD IT BE THAT MANY OF US ALL BELIEVING A FALSE TRUTH IN SOME FORM OR FASION.
That is exactly it.
And to get "close enough" to God. We need to have an understanding of God based more on reason than on faith.
I think that if we follow the steps laid out in the quran, we will understand this God thing, but to start us off, it gives us attributes to emulate (like most merciful and gracious).
If our actions are based on those traits, then we are indeed serving God. To make sure of that, we need to recognize the truth and not believe in falsehood (based on reason), so that we can figure out what we are doing wrong and what we are doing right. Then we have to fix the wrong things (through the process of salat).
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Pheniox1 I agree with what you have said. Let me ask this. Knowing that we are suppose to live according to Gods will. And part of Gods will is for us to do his will, ie serve him and his will. Do you believe that there is a possibility that eventually if a man was to dedicate his life completley to God he could become perfect in the sence of do all he knows all the truth in his everday life contionusly. And do you believe that we are to strive to be perfect.
Sincerely, Abuja
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Peace Abuja,
If by God you mean 'Jesus' then maybe we are worshipping different gods.
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IF IT IS BELIEVED BY YOU FAITH LOVELYMOSLEMS AND OTHERS HERE ARE OF YOUR FAITH AND THIS IS ALSO A TRUTH IN MY FAITH. WHY THEN IS IT SO HARDFOR EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. AND WHY THEN DO YOU ALL THINK OUR FAITHS ARE SO DIFFERENT. IF WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD. AND THAT GOD MAY US ALL ALIKE IN HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS. THEN I ASK THIS QUESTION WHY DO WE BELIEVE DIFFERENT IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS. COULD IT BE THAT OUR FORFATHERS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. AND COULD IT BE THAT MANY OF US ALL BELIEVING A FALSE TRUTH IN SOME FORM OR FASION. AND COULD IT BE THEN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A CLOSE ENOUGH RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR GOD THAT HE CAN TELL US THE TRUTH WE NEED TO BELIEVE. THERFORE LEADING US UNTO THE ONE TRUE WAY AND THEROFRE WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO LEAN TWORD MANS UNDERSTANDING WHICH COULD BE WRONG AND COULD ULTIMALY LEAD US TO HELL.
PLEASE WOULD ALL WHO READ RESPOND I WOULD LIKE AS MUCH INPUT ABOUT THIS AS POSSIBLE
As my brother Alen said, chapter 112
1121 Say "He is God, the One,"
1122 "God, the Absolute,"
1123 "He does not beget, nor was He begotten,"
1124 "And there is none who are His equal."My apologies if you don't consider Jesus as God. However, since you also said in all caps that Jesus is the son of God, then I don't worship the same God as you. My God does not beget (i.e. no sons).
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Salam.
I have a few questions for those people who think that Jesus is something more then a human.
- If you think that Jesus is a god, then who did Jesus pray to?
- If Jesus is god, how can this god not save himself from the crucifiction?
- Who needs this crucifiction anyway?
- If Mary gave birth to god, then shouldn't she be a god herself?
- If god died on the cross, shouldn't reality be under our control and also time travel?
- Since people BEFORE Jesus couldn't believe in Jesus, are they going to Hell?
- Some people think Jesus is the son of a god. Where's god's wife then?
The God is not a human.
Jesus is not God's son.
Mary is not a god.
The God does not have any sons or daughters or wives or relatives.
The God did not give birth, because He is not human.
The God was not born, since He has no beginning or end.
The God is therefore Eternal.
Jesus had no father, just a mother - Mary.
Mary was an ordinary woman, Jesus was her son.
Jesus and Adam were created the same way, except Adam did not have a navel for example, since Adam is the 1. human.
The God is One God.
The God is not part of anything.
Nothing is equal or similar to HIM.
The God is high above anything they put next to HIM.I only worship The God and true believers do not, i repeat, very important, true believers do not associate anything or anyone with GOD.
May The Almighty God, The Most Merciful has mercy on all our souls, may He bless us, guide us, protect us and reward us all with Heaven.
Salam.
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Did you God not begat you. My God does not beget (i.e. no sons). Or did you come from monkeys and the scientists say (the big boom theory). If not then where did humans come from, answer me that.
Sincerely, AbujaSalam.
God did not beget anything or anyone, God does not beget or give birth, The God CREATS. Get it? Creats. Okay?
The God created first Human - Adam, then his wife and from those two, all of us came. When two have sexual intercourse, several human beings can be born.
Now, is it weird that after all this time 6.000.000.000 of us were born since apparently we truly love each other?
Why is it so hard to believe if you put two humans on a planet, that after some time, there will be millions of humans?
Can you imagine what would happen if we send Christina Aguilera and Justin Timberlake on Mars? Can you imagine how many singers would live there after 1.000 years? Yes, there would be more then 10 people there, right?
Salam.
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To ALEN I will be answering these questions very soon. I have been researching this subject for some time and soon I will present my caes and facts. You see I am a Christian but what you dont understand is that I dont believe in the false trruth that the American churches try to get everone to believe. There is much more to it then many have been led to believe.
- If you think that Jesus is a god, then who did Jesus pray to?
- If Jesus is god, how can this god not save himself from the crucifiction?
- Who needs this crucifiction anyway?
- If Mary gave birth to god, then shouldn't she be a god herself?
- If god died on the cross, shouldn't reality be under our control and also time travel?
- Since people BEFORE Jesus couldn't believe in Jesus, are they going to Hell?
- Some people think Jesus is the son of a god. Where's god's wife then?
And to understand completley you do agree that God created us. And when I say Jesus was God son I dont mean that God gave birth to him. WOuld you not say that you are a son of God.
Sincerely, Abuja
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Did you God not begat you. My God does not beget (i.e. no sons). Or did you come from monkeys and the scientists say (the big boom theory). If not then where did humans come from, answer me that.
Sincerely, Abuja
I accept that humans are a product of evolution and the universe starts with a Big Bang, because there is evidence for both.
Note that this do not negate my conviction that God created me. Of course I am a creation of God. But God does not have a son.
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If you accept the theory of the big bang then you cant believ that God created the earth because God created the earth in 6 I repeat six days. Scientists say it took the earth millions of years to form. And billions for us to form. You cant believe them both only one or the other. And besides in evolution correct me if im wrong but to evolve from something means that what we evolved from nolonger exists and I still see monkeys. Meaning we did not evolve from monkeys again making scientists wrong.
Soncerely, Abuja
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If you accept the theory of the big bang then you cant believ that God created the earth because God created the earth in 6 I repeat six days. Scientists say it took the earth millions of years to form. And billions for us to form. You cant believe them both only one or the other. And besides in evolution correct me if im wrong but to evolve from something means that what we evolved from nolonger exists and I still see monkeys. Meaning we did not evolve from monkeys again making scientists wrong.
Soncerely, Abuja
Qur'an said nothing about the earth being created in six literal 24-hour days. I don't believe in the six-day creation story of Genesis.
Also, you don't understand evolution. If humans evolve from apes that lived in the past, it doesn't mean that other apes have to cease to exist.
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This was wriyyen by someone else who believes in the Quran. I am basing the Quran and all who support it based on this so did these verses not come out of the Quran and if they did does this not support earth being created in six days. And if it does support that and you believe in the qURAN THEN WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE THIS.
All,
This thread is dedicated to understanding and comparing the ?Six day? Creation accounts as mentioned in both the Holy Bible as well as in the Koran.
I encourage Muslims to participate and contribute their knowledge of Koranic creation sequences.
Serious contributors only please?11 Bereis*** bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.
In the beginning created God the heavens and the earth;
God declares that He brought into existence the entire physical universe - matter, energy, and all the space-time dimensions associated with matter and energy.Einstein's theory of general relativity tells us that the cause of the universe creates it independently (i.e. from outside) of matter, energy, and the space-time dimensions along which matter and energy are distributed.
Creation of the entire physical universe (matter, energy, space and time), occurred ~14 Billion years ago.
The creation of the Universe brought with it not only the time into which it flows, but also the space into which it expands. Thus, the presence of the matter and energy of the Universe not only causes the existence of time, but also of space. This creation event includes an expanding universe, which continues to expand at this time.
12 Veha'aretz hayetah tohu vavohu vechoshech al-penei tehom veruach Elohim merachefet al-penei hamayim.
And the earth was without form and empty, and darkness on the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was brooding on the face of the waters.
Genesis 12 explicitly shifts the frame of reference, the narrator's vantage point, to the surface of Earth, above the water, but below the cloud layer.Genesis 12 begins after the formation of the Earth's oceans with a description of the Earth as a water-covered planet covered by dense clouds (4 Billion years ago).
13 Vayomer Elohim yehi-or vayehi-or.
Then said God, Let be light and was light.
Much of the earth?s original cloud cover was removed at this stage. Perhaps by a planetary collision with the earth (see science reference below).God?s command is set forth from the vantage point of the surface of the earth, as established in Gen 12.
14 Vayar Elohim et-ha'or ki-tov vayavdel Elohim bein ha'or uvein hachoshech.
And saw God the light that good (it was) and separated God between the light and the darkness.This is the opaque light of the Sun (already created) which now is visible from the vantage point of the Earth?s surface.
God ?sees? the light from the surface of the Earth, since His Spirit (and vantage point) is still on the surface of the Earth.
15 Vayikra Elohim la-or yom velachoshevh kara lailah vayehi-erev vayehi-boker yom echad.
And called God the light Day. And the darkness He called night; and was the mixing and was the breaking forth time one.
It is very clear from the text that the sun had already been created and the earth was rotating on its axis, since there was light (day) and darkness (night).The sun was created BEFORE the first ?day?.
The root meaning of Erev, the Hebrew word for ?Evening?, is
Sincerely, Abuja
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"If humans evolve from apes that lived in the past, it doesn't mean that other apes have to cease to exist".
Here is my next question then. What specific apes did we evolve from then. Where is the evidence that shows without a doubt that we evolved from these specifc apes. And why are we not changing form yet since you believe we have been around so long. I mean look what we came from other than similiar features we liik and act nothing alike. Why have our looks and actions not changed and why did this cycle of evolution suddlenly stop. Why are we not still changing form.
Sincerely, Abuja
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As my brother Alen said, chapter 112
1121 Say "He is God, the One,"
1122 "God, the Absolute,"
1123 "He does not beget, nor was He begotten,"
1124 "And there is none who are His equal."My apologies if you don't consider Jesus as God. However, since you also said in all caps that Jesus is the son of God, then I don't worship the same God as you. My God does not beget (i.e. no sons).
Did you God not begat you. My God does not beget (i.e. no sons). Or did you come from monkeys and the scientists say (the big boom theory). If not then where did humans come from, answer me that.
Sincerely, Abuja
Peace everybody,
I think there is a slight difference between the two (beget and create). Let's say that you shape a vase out of clay with your hands. Would you call it your begotten smth or your creation knowing that what you created does not look the least like you the creator. And let's also say that you beget a son would you say that you have created the son? No, you would not because you did not create you only provide the sperm and that's it. If you were to create you would probably want to create a daughter!
When Allah said He does not beget nor is He begotten He meant that He was not born like us from two sexes (male and female) and He does not beget because He has no consort (wife or husband), but he creates and we are His creation.Peace
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Peace Abuja,
Why have our looks and actions not changed and why did this cycle of evolution suddlenly stop. Why are we not still changing form.
If I may offer a layman's opinion...Functional advantages have ceased to filter out the herd. Someone 5'3" and 90lbs can get a meal just as well as someone 6'5" and 300lbs. And humanity does not filter out the "weak", instead we help the weak. So the genes continue to get passed down. We are the pinnacle of creation. And I don't mean this arrogantly. With language and the ability to learn, we have overcome nature's survival of the fittest law. And this is by design, of course.
But remnants of evolution continue if you look at body types. There are very few tall and thin people in the Inuit tribes of the Arctic, and very few short and fat people in the indeginous tribes of Africa. I suspect, as the world gets smaller and more intermingling occurs, these will become less and less visible as well.
Peace,
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(John 2017)
'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'I believe what Jesus says in the verse above explains everything. Therefore if Jesus's 'father' is our 'father', then just like him we are God's 'sons' who are supposed to devote ourselves to Him as well.