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The Stages of Creation & Evolution in the Quran

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    Saleh
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    "7189 (The Message encompasses life in its totality.) Recall that Allah created life from a single life cell, then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females..... .?

    How did you arrive to this translation of the verse 7189?

    Thanks

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      arnoldyasin
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      Nafs has many meanings including 'Living Entity', to translate it with 'Cell' is logical and coincides with Science.

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        Saleh
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        Nafs has many meanings including 'Living Entity', to translate it with 'Cell' is logical and coincides with Science.

        Yes I realize that. However, I can't see how the rest of the verse can be translated as " then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females..... .
        There are no mentions of male or female or shaping humans.

        Also, while I am having a hard time fully understanding the verse in Arabic, the verse says that the the nafs and its partner asked god to be given something good so that they become thankful. I can't see how this can be applicable to cells.

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          Andya_Primanda
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          peace

          i think we'll at least develope into beings who use more then 10% of their brains.

          otherwise what's the point of our brain if we don't use all of it?

          Btw, the 'we only use 10% of our brain' thing is a myth.

          Brainscan studies show that every part of our brain has some kind of function... The brain is an expensive organ as it demands 20% of our energy intake, it would be a horrible waste if only 10% of it is working!

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            nerspi
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            peace

            i know, but still, we don't use all of it, right

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              arnoldyasin
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              Btw, the 'we only use 10% of our brain' thing is a myth.

              Brainscan studies show that every part of our brain has some kind of function... The brain is an expensive organ as it demands 20% of our energy intake, it would be a horrible waste if only 10% of it is working!

              It is funny, the 10% use of the brain joke was made by Einstein during an interview. He made it as a joke, as the interviewer asked him why he was smart and if he was different from other people. He remarked, 'people only use 10% of their brain' to mean that he isn't special, all people have the same possibility if they want too.

              Later on, this joke became an urban fact

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                nerspi
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                peace

                so what are you saying, we do use 100% of our brain?

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                  Angel
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                  salaam,

                  It is funny, the 10% use of the brain joke was made by Einstein during an interview. He made it as a joke, as the interviewer asked him why he was smart and if he was different from other people. He remarked, 'people only use 10% of their brain' to mean that he isn't special, all people have the same possibility if they want too.

                  Later on, this joke became an urban fact

                  My teacher told me that we use less then 5% of our brains?.

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                    Tay
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                    Peace all,

                    I think, in general, we use very little of our brain capacity because in our daily routines, there is very little brain function required. And we become immersed in our routines, thus leaving the larger capacity untapped. This can be seen quite clearly in the special abilities of some autistic people.

                    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDpOpzD-zc

                    Peace,
                    Tay

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                      nadeem
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                      http//www.infoplease.com/askeds/brain-usage-myth.html

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                        Saleh
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                        Yes I realize that. However, I can't see how the rest of the verse can be translated as " then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females..... .?
                        There are no mentions of male or female or shaping humans.

                        Also, while I am having a hard time fully understanding the verse in Arabic, the verse says that the the nafs and its partner asked god to be given something good so that they become thankful. I can't see how this can be applicable to cells.

                        I think my question got lost in the discussion. I am really interested in the answer.

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                          arnoldyasin
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                          Salaam Saleh,

                          I already had said earlier that I use QXP, a Tasreef translation. Look my post up earlier in the thread.

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                            Peace all,
                            Once again there is a problem of understanding the meaing of the phrase "using only 10% of the brain". One can understand this as 1) we always use only particular 10% of the total brain regions in our lifetimes whilst the others always remain inactive or 2) we never use more than 10% of our brain AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME or 3) we never use more than 10% OF THE TOTAL STORAGE CAPACITY IN OUR BRAIN throughout our lives. So first youve got to define a little bit more precisely what you mean. I can say for sure tht point 1 is total nonsense. As for pt 2 im not sure and reg pt 3, yes i can agree with tht and i dont think anyone has ever exhausted his brain's storage capacity throughout his life. GOD Bless!

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                              Saleh
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                              Salaam Saleh,

                              I already had said earlier that I use QXP, a Tasreef translation. Look my post up earlier in the thread.

                              Peace Arnold,

                              I consider myself really open minded, which makes me critical of almost anything I hear or read. I am also completely open to new interpretation of verses. That being said, I can't see how this verse can in anyway be translated the way you quoted it. I'd appreciate it if you can grab my hand and walk me through it slowly.

                              Thanks

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                                arnoldyasin
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                                Salaam Saleh, come to www.ourbeacon.com, then I and the author of QXP can explain it to you.

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                                  nerspi
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                                  peace

                                  arnold, you translated 7189 like this
                                  7189 (The Message encompasses life in its totality.) Recall that Allah created life from a single life cell, then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females..... .?

                                  this is from freeminds translation
                                  7189 He is the One who created you from one person, and He made from it its mate to reside with. When he dwelled with her, she became pregnant with a light load, and she continued with it; then when it became heavy, they called on God, their Lord "If You give us an upright child, then we will be among the thankful."

                                  don't know which one is more correct,
                                  but anyway, based on that is it a fact that humans came from a different species?

                                  is it possible that this "single life cell" refers to how a human is created in a womb?

                                  somewhere else it's also mentioned the stages of development.
                                  could it be that it refers to how a human is created in different stages in a womb?

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                                    Tay
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                                    Peace Nadeem, all,

                                    Nadeem, please correct me if I'm wrong, but when using Windows XP, isn't it true that many/most applications use up 100% of the CPU to start up? This is how I view the usage of our brains. Yes, we may use 100% or slightly less of our processing power in our daily activities, but we haven't used nearly all the potential of that power.

                                    A 3ghz CPU running MSWord is not producing the same potential as a 3ghz CPU running a music studio. Yet both can be running at 100%. I think that's what people like Einstein were referring to.

                                    Autism displays this in that people can perform seemingly superhuman abilities with only their brains. Is it coincidence these people often lack the simple day-to-day abilities that occupy so much of our time?

                                    Peace,
                                    Tay

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                                      Angel
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                                      The internet is a poor resource for science Phoenix.

                                      what?s wrong with wikipedia? D

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                                        Peace

                                        Wikipedia is the most unrealible source on the internet.You can change anything in its articles.Thats why where I live Middle and High schools dont allow students to use Wikipedia.

                                        Lareb

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                                          Peace "L.H",

                                          Peace

                                          Wikipedia is the most unrealible source on the internet.You can change anything in its articles.Thats why where I live Middle and High schools dont allow students to use Wikipedia.

                                          Lareb

                                          JK- Thats why it is so important to LOOK AT THE REFERNCE given after each vital statement. When wiki does not give a ref for a claim you can check the history and see if it has been there consistently or check using google to fnd whethr its reliable otherwise discard it. Infact in the long run this type of allowing free editing with refernces reduces biases and ultimately leads to the truth. Remeber that ALL parties are editing NOT just certain ppl whove got biases against those claims. YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE IT. Then youll save yourself from making these childish assertions and see that this way theers no elite who makes the article and everyone has to believe them. Those were the dark ages and you shld appreciate tht wer out of them. As soon as you allow only certain "experts" to edit an article, you once again have the elite forcing more or less their biases on you. GOD Bless!

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