the covering
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Peace
I'm not sure if it's mandatory to cover the chest (women or men). I do think it is of importance to lower the heat on the passions so that the flame does not burn so wildly. I like beautiful hands, arms, legs, feet, lips, eyes, hair, face and almost everything else. I think it is mainly a matter of self-control rather than trying to put so many limits where others are worried about someone else's lack of control.
Joe
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Salam.
2431 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and keep covered their private parts, and that they should not show-off their beauty except what is apparent, and let them cast their shawls over their cleavage. And let them not show-off their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their women, or those committed to them by oath, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the composition of women. And let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their beauty. And repent to God, all of you believers, that you may succeed.
Peace.
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Peace Bro Alen
I completely agree. although, sometimes i don't dress in loose fitting clothes with shawls like that mentioned in the verse - bit of a hypocrite i am -[
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Peace All,
Since a man's chest is sexual, can we please also cover up female's hair, legs, arms, face, etc, etc, etc.
I'm saying this in the nicest possible way, but can we have some common sense here. Every single human being on the face of the planet, has a fetish. some women love muscular arms on a man, some men love long legs on a woman, and there are countless other examples. Are we (men and women) to walk around covered from top to bottom?
There are quite clearly certain parts of the body which are in direct relation to sex. A man's chest is not one of them.
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Are you a woman? If you are not then may I know how do you know?
Peace Jankren,
Then as I said before people should cover up from head to toe.
As far as the animal species is concerned, our closest 'relatives', the ape family, their females do not have the same busty appearance that our females do. Instead you'll find that female apes have busty bums, this is an attraction tool for male apes, as that is the position in which apes reproduce.
Whereas it has been many a time stipulated that the very reason that female humans are busty on the chest is as an attraction tool, because we humans do it from the front.
Keep in mind that female apes feed their young with their breasts, so reasoning that the breast is busty because of feeding is false (as female apes do not have busty breasts).
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Peace
Nor do non-busty women have busty breats.
I think people are attracted to many physical parts of another person, whether it is of the same sex or not and do not admit it. That is a fault in my opinion. The attraction part I do not think is bad, but the control problems is the thing more important to me. I've no qualms with people who choose to be naked, especially if the enviroment is nice for it. A naked girl will probably turn me on just as much as a clothed woman, whether she is covered from head to foot or wearing a bikini or shorts and shirt.
The thing is, it's almost impossible in my opinion to hide one's sexual appeal. People are sexual creatures and sex and being sexy is not bad. The things most disconcerting is the people who lack discipline, that same which is shown lacking in one's pursuit of money, the gluttony, lazy, lies (white lies included).
Joe
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It depends on the interpretation of "private part" if the mans chest must be covered.. though why would someone think sexually of a man doing hajj? That just sounds wrong.
and as Joe said, people are attracted to different and various things of the human body.. so even if it isn't a rude part you might be attracted to it..
Covering and dressing modestly helps people to discipline themself and others
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sorry i don't agree here.
you don't walk around naked and say screw it all to hell we're all sexy anyway
that sounds like a typical man talking ;D
whatever happened to being modest? topless men aren't modest in any place you or i are living in so let's not go there.
and sorry but what the ... was all of this about apes
no offense once again but apes have nothing to do with anything. apes and butts vs. women and breasts ... umm -\
last time i checked it is the female that chooses the more attractive male anyways in the ape world
speak for yourselves guys but my ancestor was no ape
as for women having big breasts, not all women have big breasts.
in the end we MUST dress modestly AND lower our gaze.
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exactly, but how is modestly? how much of our body is to be covered?
2431 ...and that they should not show-off their beauty except what is apparent...well what is apparent? and if it goes for women, it should apply to men as well.
i heard some men say that women should pray in the back at mosques otherwise men would be distracted and turned on. but wouldn't women also be distraced with men in front of them?
and i don't care what alen or esimsek100 say, women are turned on by a man's chest. i just don't understand why it's accepted (of all places in soudi arabia) that men can walk topless and women can't. why doesn't anyone say anything?
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Salam.
Well, men's chests are not private parts, right? Woman's chest is sexual, while men's aren't, true?
So to say based on your words, my manly breasts and chest hair is a public good to everyone? does it make your day to see some manly breasts while walking on the street or catching the bus? it certainly doesnt make mine brighter.
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726] O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD's signs, that they may take heed.
O children of Adam, you shall be clean and dress nicely when you go to the masjid. And eat and drink moderately; Surely, He does not love the gluttons.
When we are in Kaaba having in mind that we are infront of the almighty, Staring at one anothers chest or Butts with sexual purpose doesn't make any sense.
But the question raised why men are allowed to roam around topless if women don't?
I will try to answer that.
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Peace,
My opinion about this is that we shall all both male and females low down our gaze and that says also Quran.
And this can means that the first gaze is innocent but if you want to take a second gaze it can lead to lack of discipline and thefore the advice of low down your gaze for both of the gender.
This about covering womens breast is natural for me because we women always coming in trouble with our breasts, we compare it with other women and we can be jealous if someone have more beautiful breasts than we have ourself.
And I think that male should also cover their chests in public if they want to be modest and God like the modest one. But it seems like God knows that males are more weak in that regard of being disciplined when watching a female who revail too much of herself. Therefore He advice the women to cover themselves up more than the males for our own good of course.
This is anyway only recommendations and we dress how we like to dress. And it's our owns rights to behave in a way that we feel safe in public. And I think we all feels when it's time to dress more and when it's Ok to dress less.
Peace
sis Majidah -
i heard some men say that women should pray in the back at mosques otherwise men would be distracted and turned on. but wouldn't women also be distraced with men in front of them?
If a man is so lost in God's prayer, as he should be, even a naked Jessica Alba wouldn't phase him. Same applies for women.
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So to say based on your words, my manly breasts and chest hair is a public good to everyone? does it make your day to see some manly breasts while walking on the street or catching the bus? it certainly doesnt make mine brighter.
Salam.
No, you misunderstood.
Your "manly breasts and chest hair" is not public and that's all. Whether it is good or not i don't know but that decision i will leave to the appropriate person.Man has no need to watch or look at other men's chest.
Man is usually attracted to observe woman's chest and therefore told to gaze down.Peace.
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If a man is so lost in God's prayer, as he should be, even a naked Jessica Alba wouldn't phase him. Same applies for women.
Salam.
Good point but what if to your left is Jessica Simpson, to the right Christina Aguilera, in front Beyonce and behind you is Pamela Anderson?
The Question how to avoid such people?
Answer just think of Paradise.
Paradise itself lowers the "value" of all Earth including the mislead humans.
Peace.
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They are all fugly.
Salam.
God has created all humans beautiful.
It is humans that make things ugly.
We have to be careful in the choice of our words.I didn't say are they beautiful or ugly, i said what if you're surrounded with such people? My answer is to just keep in mind that The Exalted GOD Almighty has much better reward for a human being then just temporarily soft and pretty skin of these women and their beauty lasts less then 20 years while a true believer can get a TRULY BEAUTIFUL WOMAN in Paradise just by obeying The Quran.
Peace.
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My dear Alen....
This
their beauty lasts less then 20 years
is a blatant contradiction of what you said just above
God has created all humans beautiful.
It is humans that make things ugly.
We have to be careful in the choice of our words....and it also is insulting to any woman above 20...
....and it is wrong.... '( (hey it's ok, don't apologize, i'll survive )
... and yes you should be careful in your choice of words...peace lk