GOD - all quantum particles of all existence COMBINED!
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Peace,
In another article ive stated the existence of an ultiverse and the inevitability of GOD's existence. However even if we were to believe that existence is finite and theres nothing outside this universe, though absurd this maybe, stating that all the energy was infinitely compressed it still doesnt mean theres no GOD. We know today from experiments that quantae, yes quantum particles, have intelligence indivdually and they can communicate with each other. GOD statement in the Quran that He is "Light of the heavens and the erath" now gets an even stronger meaning. Thus all those quantae combined, inclduing us humans, animals, stars planets dark matter black holes and any parallel universe that exists is what is by definition, GOD, since all contains these very quantae. They are the ultimate communication particles. Everything is made up of them. Thus even when an atheist says "matter created itself", well what is matter? A form of energy, which is created when quantae of a certain fequency combine and restructure So it all depends on how you define GOD. GOD Bless! -
Salam.
A person must ask an atheist this question"If matter created itself, what caused the creation?"
We all have to remind ourselves that every cause has an affect. I came to this forum, becaus ei saw it. My writing here is the effect and te caus eis known by now. )Peace.
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Peace and greetings,
Dear Jonny_k,
You have misunderstood the Quranic verse about light which means that God is the Guider of the heavens and the earth. God is the CREATOR OF LIGHT and is not Himself light particles. Quran uses the word light in a variety of meanings and in this case light is being used as Guidance. You are shown the right way by light. God is not the physical light as He is the creator of light and cannot be defined by anything you can imagine.
In the following verse drakness = Ignorance
Light = Guidance.Chapter 2 verse 257
- God is the ally of those who believe, He brings them out of the darkness and into the light. As for those who reject, their allies are the evil ones, they bring them out of the light and into the darkness; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide eternally
God is the creator of physical light and drakness.
Chapter 6 verse 1
- Praise be to God who created the heavens and the Earth, and Who made darkness and light; yet those who have rejected their Lord continue to deviate.
In the following verse, Light = Guider/Guidance
Chapter 24 verse 35
- God is the Light/Guider of the heavens and the Earth. The example of His light/Guidance is like a concave mirror within a lamp, the lamp is within a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light/Guidance upon light/Guidance, God guides to His light/Guidance whom He pleases. And God sets forth parables for the people, and God is aware of all things.
You need to look at the Quran carefully before idolising God in such a way.
Chapter 42 verse 10
Nothing is like Him and He is the all hearing, the all seeing.
As far as the Quantum theory of particles is concerned there is a disagreement between the general theory of realtivity and Quantum theory. Physicists worldwide have agreed that both theories cannot be right simulatneously and there has to be a theory of everything. Super string theory has been developed but the mathematical equations that could define the true nature of the really minute building blocks of matter have not been developed and so the world is still in progress towards understanding Quantum physics. You should watch the elegant universe and beyond einstein video on google video or at the following link to understand the confusion between Quantum theory and general relativity and a possible newcomer the string theory.
http//www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
NASA scientists have confirmed that general realtivity is obeyed throughout the universe but Quantum theory is a bit dubious due to flaws in bell experiments. In my view Quantum theory is poorly understood by today's physicists and may be in the future a greater understanding is developed. In my view general realativity is more reliable than Quatum mechanics because general relatvity has been confirmed by expreiments but Quantum mechanics is not as strongly backed up by experiments as general relativity is but surprisingly Quantum theory does successfully explains behaviour at subatomic levels but I suppose that it may be a coincicidence explanation by the thery and it all might be a part of another grand theory with general relativity at its center. I hope the theory of everything is found during my lifetime.
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Peace and greetings,
Our uinverse is finite which has been confirmed by rigorous experiments carried out by NASA in outer space. God is beyond the edges of our universe and His throne which encompasses all known boundaries of our universe space and time is the partition between God and uinverse. The throne is the reference point of God's authority which encloses the whole universe. NASA has constructed a bird's eye view of the universe which shows that the uinverse is almost oval in shape. If we could get a bird's eye view of the universe than we could visualise How God looks over it above the throne.
I guess the throne is where space and time get distorted and the concept of dimensions loses any meaning. It is where no further understanding could be developed. Undefined and unknown to matter and energy. Really amazing !Below are some verses that describe the Glory of God throughout the universe.
Every shadow and particle is glorifying and prostrating God regularly and even the particles and shadows of rebellious Jinns , satan and humans.
Chapter 2 verse 254
His Throne encompasses the Heavens and the Heavens.
Chapter 13 verse 15
- And to God prostrate all who are in the heavens and the Earth, willingly and unwillingly, as do their shadows in the morning and the evening.
Chapter 30 verse 26
26.And to Him is all that is in the heavens and the Earth. All are obedient to Him.
Chapter 17 verse 44
- He is glorified by the seven universes and the Earth and who is in them, and there is not a thing but it glorifies His praise, but you do not comprehend their glorification. He is Compassionate, Forgiving.
Chapter 24 verse 41
- Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the Earth glorifies God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its affirmation and its glorification. And God is fully aware of everything they do.
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Peace "abarar",
You have misunderstood the Quranic verse about light which means that God is the Guider of the heavens and the earth. God is the CREATOR OF LIGHT and is not Himself light particles.
JK- The statement that "light" is created is Biblical but not Quranic. If GOD is not all the quantum particles combined, as per my understanding of Quran, then what is He? Any being be it infinite or not must consist of something otherwise it violates causalities and since we know now that wuantum particles are the ultimate mssless energy particles responsible for everything what is the problem? Do you want me to believe that GOD is some sort of magical being? GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny, abrar, all,
Jonny, you stated
Any being be it infinite or not must consist of something otherwise it violates causalities and since we know now that wuantum particles are the ultimate mssless energy particles responsible for everything what is the problem?
Our laws cannot logically be placed upon the Creator of these laws. To assume that God must consist of something is limiting the infinite God to out finite understanding.
Do you want me to believe that GOD is some sort of magical being?
Magical being? No. Not a being at all. We have no reference point to compare, nothing even remotely similar. So to use 'being' would be an error.
If GOD is not all the quantum particles combined, as per my understanding of Quran, then what is He?
Beyond your understanding.
We can only see the effects of God, the attributes within ourselves and within nature.btw, once the update is over this thread is getting moved to science. Please keep your threads in the appropriate sections.
Abrar, you stated
NASA has constructed a bird's eye view of the universe which shows that the uinverse is almost oval in shape.
Please articulate on this. I've never heard of it. Is it a model, and what is it based on? How can the universe be modeled?
Peace,
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Peace "Tay",
Jonny, you stated
Our laws cannot logically be placed upon the Creator of these laws. To assume that God must consist of something is limiting the infinite God to out finite understanding.JK- Im very disappointed to here this from you being a rationally minded person who believes in evolution. In other words you believe in superstition rather than causalitiy.
Magical being? No. Not a being at all. We have no reference point to compare, nothing even remotely similar. So to use 'being' would be an error.
Beyond your understanding.JK- GOD has explained in the Quran that He is the Light of the heavens and earth so i dont undertand what the fuss is about. We cant comprehend the complexity of GOD though, thts wht is meant.
We can only see the effects of God, the attributes within ourselves and within nature.
JK- This relates to my statment above. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
Im very disappointed to here this from you being a rationally minded person who believes in evolution. In other words you believe in superstition rather than causalitiy.
I can't help someone's disappointment, but I can clairfy. I don't believe in superstition and I'm not sure why you would surmise that. I explained that the infinite cannot be bound by the laws of the finite. This is pretty simple logic bro. We have finite brains that cannot comprehend infinity.
GOD has explained in the Quran that He is the Light of the heavens and earth so i dont undertand what the fuss is about.
There is no fuss.
We cant comprehend the complexity of GOD though, thts wht is meant.
The complexity, nor the nature of God's essence. You can knock yourself out trying to, though. I'm not going to try to stop you. I'm just sharing my thoughts after spending countless hours thinking down the same path.
Peace,
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Peace "tay",
Peace jonny,
I can't help someone's disappointment, but I can clairfy. I don't believe in superstition and I'm not sure why you would surmise that. I explained that the infinite cannot be bound by the laws of the finite. This is pretty simple logic bro. We have finite brains that cannot comprehend infinity.
JK- If you dont believe in superstition or being logical then you cannot say that GOD is not a being, consists of nothing since that would violate causality and anything tht does aint logical. Comprehension of the infinite is because of the infinite complexity as explained below.
The complexity, nor the nature of God's essence. You can knock yourself out trying to, though. I'm not going to try to stop you. I'm just sharing my thoughts after spending countless hours thinking down the same path.
Peace,
TayJK- The nature of GOD's essence is already mentioned in the Quran i.e. Light. Why dont you go with that? GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
If you dont believe in superstition or being logical then you cannot say that GOD is not a being, consists of nothing...
Who said God consists of nothing?
I said "being" is the wrong word because you have no reference point. Rather than continue telling me I'm wrong, why not just provide a reference point for an infinite creator? That would settle the discussion completely.that would violate causality and anything tht does aint logical.
Once again you trap God into the laws of the God's own creation. This is a fallacy. Do you not see it? Does an orange tree have the limitations of an orange?
Furthermore, an infinite creator initiating the universe is the prime cause of the law of causality itself. Otherwise, you'd be stuck in an endless loop.
I'm sorry jonny, but some things are just outside of the realm of science. That doesn't make them superstitious.
Peace,
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Peace "tay",
Peace jonny,
Who said God consists of nothing?
I said "being" is the wrong word because you have no reference point. Rather than continue telling me I'm wrong, why not just provide a reference point for an infinite creator? That would settle the discussion completely.JK- What is your definition of being. Mine is a unit of intelligence.
Once again you trap God into the laws of the God's own creation. This is a fallacy. Do you not see it? Does an orange tree have the limitations of an orange?
Furthermore, an infinite creator initiating the universe is the prime cause of the law of causality itself. Otherwise, you'd be stuck in an endless loop.
JK- Causality is not a law which needs to be created. It is what logically has to be true like 2+2=4. Did GOD create that? Moreover where in the Quran do we find that GOD created light. I say light is uncreated. It is just there and it stretches to infinity given that there are other universes besides this one and an ultiverse OR infinite parallel universes.
I'm sorry jonny, but some things are just outside of the realm of science. That doesn't make them superstitious.
Peace,
TayJK- Oh yes it does, that is EXACTLY what it does. Anything that cannot be inferred through science is pure superstition or a believe in the supernatural which is nonsensible. GOD Bless!
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Dear Jonny,
God Himself says in Quran that nothing you can think of can define God.
Chapter 42 verse 1
Nothing is like Him and He is the all hearing, the all seeing.
So no particle no image no thought no imagination and no object is related to God in any way except That God is the Creator of all dreams, images, thoughts, particles, souls and anything else you can think of. God is the Lord of the worlds totally distinct from any invisible magical being or physical particle or anything you could possibly imagine. God is the Lord of space, time , matter and energy so nothing could define Him not even your thinking of any sort. God is established above the throne which is the farthest boundary of our universe, space, time and energy. So the realm where God is beyond the limits of our imagination,universe and space and time. All your vision is under the grasp of God but you cannot grasp God's vision.
Chapter 6 verse 103
103.The eyesight cannot reach yet He can reach all eyesight; and He is the Subtle, the Expert.
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Peace jonny, abrar,
Jonny, you continue to answer questions with questions. As abrar has clearly proven via the qur'an, everything was created by God, and there is nothing like God for us to fathom or compare. These are the facts. God created light, God created the universe, God created the logic that you continue to try to define God with.
Anything that cannot be inferred through science is pure superstition or a believe in the supernatural
which is nonsensible.Please explain the following quranic concepts through science, with reference to bonafide scientists that support you
God
Soul
AfterlifePlease explain love.
Please explain beauty.
Please explain intuition.
Please explain laughter.Science is a tool for measuring the tangible in nature. The intangible is outside the scope of science. Nothing supernatural about it - in fact it's all very natural - it's just super-scientific.
Abrar, thanks for the link.
Peace,
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Peace "Abrar" and "tay",
Yes the verse you mentioned does mention GOD maed "ja'ala(set NOT create)" darkness and light but here what it obviously means is not the creation of those entities since darkness is merely the absence of light. What it means here is that GOD set up with his Light how and where it should be distributed. Theres no problem with that.
As for there being nothing like GOD, ofcourse theres nothing like him. I never said that. But that verse doesnt mean tht the essence of GOD is nothing which is present in this universe if you somehow think that beacuse the verse doesnt say that. It says that nothing is comparable to GOD since Hes infinite which i agree with already. GOD Bless! -
Peace "tay",
Please explain the following quranic concepts through science, with reference to bonafide scientists that support you
GodJK- As already explained.
Soul
JK- Neural network of the human brain OR according to my theory finite quantum network, part of GOD's, probably in another universe to which the brain establishes a link.
Afterlife
JK- Recreation ofanother universe through evoltuionary processes.
Please explain love.
Please explain beauty.
Please explain intuition.
Please explain laughter.JK- All are created by hormones and the chemical reactions of the neural network in the brain. If you detsroy or damage it you wont have those feelings. This is very clear to any neuroscientist.
Science is a tool for measuring the tangible in nature. The intangible is outside the scope of science. Nothing supernatural about it - in fact it's all very natural - it's just super-scientific.
JK- Super-scientific is just another twist for the supernatural. As i said before science is the only means to ascertain truth and we must go with that not superscience, thts nonsense. GOD Bless!
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Dear jonny,
The scientific definition of light includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, so it is physically impossible to create perfect darkness. For example, all objects radiate heat in the form of infrared light and Gamma rays, extremely high frequency light, can penetrate even dense materials.
Darkness all over outer space and vacuum is never pure it just does not contain visible spectrum of electromagnetic radiation but it does contain other radiations so darkness is never perfectly dark and empty realm.The arabic word has synonyms meaning created and meaning manufactured.
You can find these synonyms in any good arabic thesaures so there is no need to say that God did not actually Create Light. It would be similar to paganism if someone idolises photons of light as a part of God's body or in any similar way characterising particles as a part of God's body. It would be blasphemy to say that when an electron jumps from higher energy orbit to a lower energy orbit it emmits photons or a part of God. This is clearly idolising God in a high tec way whereas pagans' Al lat and Al Uzza were ugly and low tech and primitive but both ideologies are alike.When God has mentioned that there is nothing like Him then it means there is no essence of God anywhere in the universe. He is the Hidden which is one of His beautiful names mentioned in Quran.
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Peace "abrar",
Dear jonny,
The scientific definition of light includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, so it is physically impossible to create perfect darkness. For example, all objects radiate heat in the form of infrared light and Gamma rays, extremely high frequency light, can penetrate even dense materials.
Darkness all over outer space and vacuum is never pure it just does not contain visible spectrum of electromagnetic radiation but it does contain other radiations so darkness is never perfectly dark and empty realm.JK- I know that the definition of light includes the invisible spectrum, hence when GOD says that Hes the Light of the heavens and the earth it includes the entire em spectrum as you rightly state and not only that visible to us. Youve just reinforced my point.
The arabic word has synonyms meaning created and meaning manufactured.
You can find these synonyms in any good arabic thesaures so there is no need to say that God did not actually Create Light. It would be similar to paganism if someone idolises photons of light as a part of God's body or in any similar way characterising particles as a part of God's body. It would be blasphemy to say that when an electron jumps from higher energy orbit to a lower energy orbit it emmits photons or a part of God. This is clearly idolising God in a high tec way whereas pagans' Al lat and Al Uzza were ugly and low tech and primitive but both ideologies are alike.JK- Man everytging is a part of GOD anyways so ehat is your point? Are we not part of GOD? Ofcourse we are. Everything issues from GOD so wheres your problem? Moreover there is a clear difference btw "ja'ala" and "khalaqa" in my understanding. They are not synonymous and GOD uses them at their right places for a reason.
When God has mentioned that there is nothing like Him then it means there is no essence of God anywhere in the universe. He is the Hidden which is one of His beautiful names mentioned in Quran.
JK- Hes hidden from direct sight and also one cannot comprehend Him fully since Hes infinite as ive professed before. It doesnt matter what the essene of a being is when its too huge one cannot comprehend it. So once again wheres the prob? I can only repeat the Quran itself says "GOD is the Light of the heavens and the earth" so one can either believe it or reject it. GOD Bless!
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Peace jonny,
Hes hidden from direct sight and also one cannot comprehend Him fully since Hes infinite as ive professed before. It doesnt matter what the essene of a being is when its too huge one cannot comprehend it. So once again wheres the prob? I can only repeat the Quran itself says "GOD is the Light of the heavens and the earth" so one can either believe it or reject it
Perfect. Good to see you letting go of trying to define God.
Once you realize that love, beauty, laughter, and intuition have nothing to do with neurology, and are gifts from the infinite, I'd call it progress. Think of it like this is the color red created by your eyes? Reflect, jonnyk. Science is only for the physical - which we are far beyond.
Peace,
Tay