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    ijaz
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    Salaam Samia,

    Salaam ijz

    I do not know of a word like (ain meem alif ain meem alif meem). A paternal uncle is (ain meem meem).
    Unless I misunderstood you; so please clarify.

    Sorry my codes have not verified before and thanks for the correction.

    Therefore ain=70, and meem x 2 = 40 which makes it 150.

    Thus the new code is chapter number 111 add verses 1+2+3+4+5=15 and concatenate as follows;

    111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19

    Thanks for correcting me.

    Kind regards

    Ijaz

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      Salaam Samia,

      Sorry my codes have not verified before and thanks for the correction.

      Therefore ain=70, and meem x 2 = 40 which makes it 150.

      Thus the new code is chapter number 111 add verses 1+2+3+4+5=15 and concatenate as follows;

      111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19

      Thanks for correcting me.

      Kind regards

      Ijaz

      Peace,

      You really need to stop this kind of fascination with numbers. I'm not in a position to really judge, but it seems that it will lead you astray. This is the problem with the 19 code, the constantly changing method. If you change the method 19 times and try each time, you are almost guaranteed a multiple of 19.

      Initially you wrote

      Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Meem = 40 when add these we get 70 + 40 + 1 + 70 + 40 + 1 + 40 = 262

      When we concatenate the verses above with geometric value above and geometric value of Muhammad in this order, thus when one says Muhammads Uncle it would be Um Aumam Muhammad in Arabic, we get;

      1 2 3 4 5 262 92 = 64975068 * 19

      But then you changed your method for the next case

      Therefore ain=70, and meem x 2 = 40 which makes it 150.

      Thus the new code is chapter number 111 add verses 1+2+3+4+5=15 and concatenate as follows;

      111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19

      If we keep a consistent method it should be

      Therefore ain=70, and meem x 2 = 40 which makes it 150.

      Thus the new code is chapter number 111 add gematrical values 70+40+40=150 and concatenate as follows;

      1 2 3 4 5 150 92 = 64974478.526315789473684210526316 * 19

      But we don't get a hit there. So using the latter method on the first case

      Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Meem = 40 when we add these we get 70+40+1+70+40+1+40 = 262

      Adding verses 1+2+3+4+5=15;

      Hence

      111 15 92 262 = 58504855.894736842105263157894737 * 19

      Or reversing the order

      Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Aan = 70, Meem = 40, Alif = 1, Meem = 40 when we add these we get 70+40+1+70+40+1+40 = 262

      Adding verses 1+2+3+4+5=15;

      Hence

      111 15 262 92 = 58501383.789473684210526315789474 * 19

      No doubt you tried several different methods throughout. Might I suggest simply reading the book instead of looking for random patterns? Gematria is not a healthy obsession.

      peace

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        Exactly, OPF

        I was thinking in another way What's the mission of this code? To verify hadeeth? "uncle of the prophet" is not a word of God and was never mentioned, in any context, in the qur'aan. So far this code verified that verses 9 128-129 are not part of the qur'aan; ritual prayers is what was meant by "salaat" in the quraan; the story of Aisha being subjected to slander is a code-verified story; abu lahab is the uncle of the prophet.... What next?

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          Exactly, OPF

          I was thinking in another way What's the mission of this code? To verify hadeeth? "uncle of the prophet" is not a word of God and was never mentioned, in any context, in the qur'aan. So far this code verified that verses 9 128-129 are not part of the qur'aan; ritual prayers is what was meant by "salaat" in the quraan; the story of Aisha being subjected to slander is a code-verified story; abu lahab is the uncle of the prophet.... What next?

          Salaam OPF & Samia,

          You don't have to agree, many disbelievers said the same thing as you are saying about the revelation of God you know where they end up..

          The whole discussion was about who Abu Laheb was I explained it to you according to the miracle of 19 based on 7431.

          The Majority of People Do Not Believe

          Most people, no matter what you do, will not believe.

          You are not asking them for any money; you simply deliver this reminder for all the people.

          So many proofs in the heavens and the earth are given to them, but they pass by them, heedlessly!

          The Majority of Believers Destined for Hell

          The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so without committing idol worship.

          When they see proof, they ridicule it.

          They say, "This is obviously magic!

          (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

          Regards

          Ijaz

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            I see.

            Now I am also a kafir bound to hell. How dare I question your methods, preposterous thought indeed. It couldn't possibly be the case that you are wrong, because of course, you are the Chosen People and you are Guided to the Straight Path. Also, those quotes are taken out of context though they may hold true.

            Remember this is not a majority divided by sectarian lines. This majority is just that - a majority. You can also be part of this majority. Ever thought about that?

            Now I'll leave you with a few out of context quotes from the Quran that vaguely imply you shall burn eternally in hell (oops, did I figuratively say that out loud?)

            056.094
            YUSUFALI And burning in Hell-Fire.
            PICKTHAL And roasting at hell-fire.
            SHAKIR And burning in hell.

            037.064
            YUSUFALI For it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell-Fire
            PICKTHAL Lo! it is a tree that springeth in the heart of hell.
            SHAKIR Surely it is a tree that-grows in the bottom of the hell;

            017.063
            YUSUFALI (Allah) said "Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily Hell will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense.
            PICKTHAL He said Go, and whosoever of them followeth thee - lo! hell will be your payment, ample payment.
            SHAKIR He said Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense

            Sheesh. By the way, the majority of people believe in the traditional "Abu Lahab".

            On a serious note

            Khalifa
            O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

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              Majority of the people submit to God and majority don't.

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              http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat22_files/22_18.gif

              Shakir
              Do you not see that Allah is He, Whom obeys whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars, and the mountains and the trees, and the animals and many of the people; and many there are against whom chastisement has become necessary; and whomsoever Allah abases, there is none who can make him honorable; surely Allah does what He pleases.

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                OPF,

                I see.

                Now I am also a kafir bound to hell. How dare I question your methods, preposterous thought indeed. It couldn't possibly be the case that you are wrong, because of course, you are the Chosen People? and you are Guided to the Straight Path?. Also, those quotes are taken out of context though they may hold true.

                Remember this is not a majority divided by sectarian lines. This majority is just that - a majority. You can also be part of this majority. Ever thought about that?

                Now I'll leave you with a few out of context quotes from the Quran that vaguely imply you shall burn eternally in hell (oops, did I figuratively say that out loud?)

                Sheesh. By the way, the majority of people believe in the traditional "Abu Lahab".

                On a serious note

                The verses I quoted are not out of context, because you are rejecting God's revelations, 19 based codes. However I have done no such thing, so you are right that your verses above are truley out of context!!!!!

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                  Actually, I am showing you the error of your ways. You attempted to "verify" your own preconceptions and your lack of knowledge of Arabic (not that I know any better) pointed you out.

                  Do you have an actual reply, not reaction, to my post? I'll be glad to hear it.

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                    OPF,

                    Actually, I am showing you the error of your ways. You attempted to "verify" your own preconceptions and your lack of knowledge of Arabic (not that I know any better) pointed you out.

                    Do you have an actual reply, not reaction, to my post? I'll be glad to hear it.

                    My reply is well thought after and not at all reactionary. Because if you had read my earlier post carefully you would have noticed the same comments i.e that you and Samia both rejected God's revelations by rejecting these codes. I have been using the codes for over 10 years and it contitutes specific system which the codes work around. Nothing is left to coincidence.

                    19 based miracle is divine and Quran is divine and the codes are done with utmost sincerety, therefore the code is correct. If you feel that the code is incorrect then give me your reasons and Inshalla I'll answer your query equatabily else shut up!!

                    Ijaz

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                      OPF,

                      My reply is well thought after and not at all reactionary. Because if you had read my earlier post carefully you would have noticed the same comments i.e that you and Samia both rejected God's revelations by rejecting these codes. I have been using the codes for over 10 years and it contitutes specific system which the codes work around. Nothing is left to coincidence.

                      19 based miracle is divine and Quran is divine and the codes are done with utmost sincerety, therefore the code is correct. If you feel that the code is incorrect then give me your reasons and Inshalla I'll answer your query equatabily else shut up!!

                      Ijaz

                      It is very reactionary because you cited 7431 and fell into the trap of Sunnis and Shi'ites who use these verses to promote their own sect of Islam. Nowhere did I say "this is magic", nor do I ridicule ACTUAL proof - this is not very hard to find with or without 19 codes. Nowhere in the Quran have I seen something to the effect of "count the letters in the book" or any references to using gematria for "proof". For instance, here is ACTUAL instruction to find a sign

                      Soorat Fussilat {4153}

                      Soorat An Naml {2793}

                      Soorat Ghaafir {4081}

                      Soorat Al Baqarah {2164}

                      Soorat Aal 'Imraan {3190}

                      Soorat Al An'aam {699}

                      Soorat Younus {1067}

                      Soorat Ar Ra'd {133}

                      Soorat Ar Ra'd {134}

                      Soorat Ibraheem {1432}

                      Soorat Ibraheem {1433}

                      Soorat An Nahl {163-4}

                      Soorat An Nahl {165-6}

                      Soorat An Nahl {167-8}

                      Soorat An Nahl {169}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1610-11}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1612}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1613}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1614}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1615-16}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1617-18}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1678}

                      Soorat An Nahl {1679}

                      Soorat Ta Ha {2053-54}

                      Soorat Ta Ha {2055}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3019}

                      , -behold you are human beings scattered!] Soorat Ar Ruum {3020}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3021}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3022}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3023}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3024}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3025}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3026}

                      Soorat Ar Ruum {3027

                      Soorat Luqman {3131}

                      Soorat As Sajdah {3226}

                      Soorat As Sajdah {3227}

                      SooratAz Zumar {3942}

                      Soorat Ash Shura {4232-33}

                      Soorat Ash Shura {4234}

                      Soorat Ash Shura {4235}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {453-4}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {455}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {456}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {457-8}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {459}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {4510}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {4511}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {4512}

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {4513}

                      Soorat Fussilat {4137}

                      Soorat Fussilat {4139}

                      Soorat Ash Shura {4229}

                      Soorat Al A'raaf {775}

                      Soorat AlAn'aam {646}

                      Soorat Al An'aam {697}

                      Soorat Younus {105}

                      Soorat Younus {1024}

                      Soorat Younus {10101}

                      Soorat An Nuur {2418}

                      Soorat An Nisaa {4126}

                      Soorat Al A'raaf {7174}

                      Can you find anything related to numbers therein? No. Every single one of those ayat pertains to physical science, not mathematics. In fact, 1618 for instance

                      016.018
                      YUSUFALI If ye would count up the favours of Allah, never would ye be able to number them for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
                      PICKTHAL And if ye would count the favour of Allah ye cannot reckon it. Lo! Allah is indeed Forgiving, Merciful.
                      SHAKIR And if you would count Allah's favors, you will not be able to number them; most surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

                      Now, the philosophy of "put up or shut up" applies. Show me the verses that prove without doubt as seen in the above verses that your methodology is approved by Allah. In fact, the way you put it makes it seem that it is indeed God's revelation to arbitrarily assign values to things and reverse-incorporate your own thoughts into them. The simple mistake and hence the change in method, i.e. inconsistency you made there made that stand out in broad daylight. The underlying Arabic of those verses are indeed God's revelations, would you deny that? If there are actual verses that instruct people to look at the Quran through numbers, put them up. Hiding the truth/concealing knowledge is a grave offence, according to the Quran.

                      I have been using the codes for over 10 years and it contitutes specific system which the codes work around.

                      It is noteworthy that people can be in manifest error for their whole lives and they can dig their own holes further and further. For instance, Montgomery Watt the Orientalist devoted his life to understanding Sunni Islam, yet even by Sunni standards a child would have more rationality and logic skills than him. There are Christian scholars who have also devoted their lives to Christianity & worship Jesus routinely. Likewise, Sunni scholars believe the hadith system is specific and leaves nothing to co-incidence. Time is not a factor. Thinking is.

                      Nothing is left to coincidence.

                      Yet you had to shift your method several times in order to create a new 19 divisible number. Now, why is the code incorrect, you ask?

                      1. Method - You shifted your method instead of acknowledging a simple mistake. In your eyes, the original Arabic ==> Number conversion was divinely sanctioned. When the mistake was pointed out, it no longer became divinely sanctioned. With the new thinking, it became divinely sanctioned again. This is a discrepancy.

                      004.082
                      YUSUFALI Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
                      PICKTHAL Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity.
                      SHAKIR Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

                      1. Attributing divine revelation to your own methods. The Quran is fully detailed and complete in its message, according to itself. Does God really trust such a weak code, with a 1 in 19 chance of being broken? Not only that, you have extrapolated information that would not otherwise be found in the Quran. See prev.

                      2. The practice of taqfir. This is wrong in itself. You have no authority to judge people based on these verses. 743x do not make it clear who is the disbeliever or believer in this context. A muslim is a muslim is a muslim. Let God judge. What good does it do to you to tell someone they disbelieve? On the other hand, it creates discord and disunity, and hence mischief & fitna.

                      19 based miracle is divine and Quran is divine and the codes are done with utmost sincerety, therefore the code is correct.

                      Christian scholars claim Jesus is divine and the Bible is divine (to be clear, the New Testament AKA Sahih Al-Matthew, Al-Mark, Al-Luke and Al-John) and they are equally deep in sincerity, therefore Jesus is divine.

                      Gematria is not divine. Arabic is not divine. Mathematics is not divine. The message - is divine.

                      Khalifa
                      O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, "You are not a believer," seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

                      Regardless, if there is a mathematical pattern present in the verses themselves, I would love to hear of it.

                      Soorat Al Jaathiya {459}

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                        Peace ijaz,

                        Before you go out calling others disbelievers, ponder over these verses/signs. Your way of thinking is no different than the sunnis who claim that you hate muhammad and are apostates if you reject the hadith.....

                        494 O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of God, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace "You are not a believer!" You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with God are many riches. That is how you were before, but God favored you, so investigate carefully. God is expert over what you do.

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                          OPF,

                          Sorry I have a short limitation of what I can read therefore I have not read all of your post, however here is the answer for what I gather you were trying to say;

                          Yes I have proof that the method I use is authentic and God would approve it. And here is the verse which states it;

                          Messengers before you have been rejected, and they steadfastly persevered in the face of rejection. They were persecuted until our victory came to them. Such is GOD's system that will never change. The history of My messengers thus sets the precedents for you.

                          The history of messengers set precedents for us.. If you find out the history of Dr Rashad Khalifa the Messenger of the Covenant you will see that he has used similar strategy like I did to prove his messengership..

                          As for the codes should only be executed a certain way!! This is not true as long as the codes are used in sensible way where it makes logical sense it is okay, and my code did made logical sense.. As for you not being happy with it, this is a historical fact, Muhammad's people wanted to see another Quran and Moses's people wanted to talk and see God, NOTHING HAS CHANGED..

                          Physical Evidence

                          Recall that you said, "O Moses, we will not believe unless we see GOD, physically." Consequently, the lightning struck you, as you looked.

                          Every Letter Calculated and Divinely Designed

                          When our revelations are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet us say, "Bring a Quran other than this, or change it!" Say, "I cannot possibly change it on my own. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day."

                          Ijaz

                          PS If you want me to reply you fully then keep your post short..

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                            Salaam DArgento,

                            Peace ijaz,

                            Before you go out calling others disbelievers, ponder over these verses/signs. Your way of thinking is no different than the sunnis who claim that you hate muhammad and are apostates if you reject the hadith.....

                            The reason I proved these people to be disbelievers was and is that they rejected God's revelations, if that is not enough for you then what will be I don't know.

                            As for these people treating me peacefully!! There is no doubt that they treated me harshly and with agression, if you haven't read their post then please do.

                            Sunni's are bit like you who come to conclusions without establishing any facts!!

                            Kind Regards

                            Ijaz

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                              Sorry my codes have not verified before and thanks for the correction.

                              Therefore ain=70, and meem x 2 = 40 which makes it 150.

                              Thus the new code is chapter number 111 add verses 1+2+3+4+5=15 and concatenate as follows;

                              111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19

                              Thanks for correcting me.

                              Kind regards

                              Ijaz

                              What about 92? Did not see where is came from in your calculations.

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                                92 is GV vaule of Muhammad and it is included to relate ie whos uncle was Abu Laheb, and code states that it was Muhammad's uncle..

                                What about 92? Did not see where is came from in your calculations.

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                                  92 is GV vaule of Muhammad and it is included to relate ie whos uncle was Abu Laheb, and code states that it was Muhammad's uncle..

                                  Then any name/phrase combo with GV = 150 is ?assumed? equally a relative candidate?

                                  Thus NuN + ?ANY LAST NAME? GV equal 44 is 50+6+50+44 =150

                                  Explain why this is not correct or inconsistent with your logic.

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                                    OPF,

                                    Sorry I have a short limitation of what I can read therefore I have not read all of your post, however here is the answer for what I gather you were trying to say;

                                    Yes I have proof that the method I use is authentic and God would approve it. And here is the verse which states it;

                                    Messengers before you have been rejected, and they steadfastly persevered in the face of rejection. They were persecuted until our victory came to them. Such is GOD's system that will never change. The history of My messengers thus sets the precedents for you.

                                    The history of messengers set precedents for us.. If you find out the history of Dr Rashad Khalifa the Messenger of the Covenant you will see that he has used similar strategy like I did to prove his messengership..

                                    As for the codes should only be executed a certain way!! This is not true as long as the codes are used in sensible way where it makes logical sense it is okay, and my code did made logical sense.. As for you not being happy with it, this is a historical fact, Muhammad's people wanted to see another Quran and Moses's people wanted to talk and see God, NOTHING HAS CHANGED..

                                    Physical Evidence

                                    Recall that you said, "O Moses, we will not believe unless we see GOD, physically." Consequently, the lightning struck you, as you looked.

                                    Every Letter Calculated and Divinely Designed

                                    When our revelations are recited to them, those who do not expect to meet us say, "Bring a Quran other than this, or change it!" Say, "I cannot possibly change it on my own. I simply follow what is revealed to me. I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the retribution of an awesome day."

                                    Ijaz

                                    PS If you want me to reply you fully then keep your post short..

                                    Peace.

                                    634 actually disproves your theory. From what I have read about Khalifa (not many sources!) he was widely acclaimed when he came out with his findings. It was only when he rejected 2 verses that he got rejected. On the other hand, the examples of prophets given in the Quran were ALL rejected - no ifs, no buts. It was not "Wow, what a divine message! ... "Pork is banned!?!?!? Hang him!!!" but it was "He disobeys our gods? Hang him!!!" ..."He disobeys our gods? Hang him!!!".

                                    As for the codes should only be executed a certain way!! This is not true as long as the codes are used in sensible way where it makes logical sense it is okay, and my code did made logical sense.. As for you not being happy with it, this is a historical fact, Muhammad's people wanted to see another Quran and Moses's people wanted to talk and see God, NOTHING HAS CHANGED..

                                    A miracle based on probability is only a mirace IF IT IS CONSISTENT. Period. I probably sound like a broken record here, but the probability of a miraculous number is 1 in 19. If we keep changing methods, given more than 19 possible permutations of the method, that becomes 1 in 1.

                                    As for you not being happy with it, this is a historical fact, Muhammad's people wanted to see another Quran and Moses's people wanted to talk and see God, NOTHING HAS CHANGED..

                                    No, not at all. Rashad Khalifa could not stand Muhammad being declared raheem. So he wanted to see another Quran with this taken out and he made one so. For a messenger of Allah he made a significant number of mistakes, notably the 2698 count of "Allah" with or without the False-Verses??. You are right, nothing has changed. Which is why my Quran still has 9128 and 129 in it. I do not wish to see a change in the Quran, unlike Rashad Khalifa. The muslim bends for the Quran, the Quran does not bend for the muslim. Unfortunately RK's bending was highly elastic and it seems to have snapped back in his face. Computers are not operated with punch cards anymore. Nor are they restricted to billion dollar corporations. Keep note.

                                    My original post was a few lines, the evidence backing it up was not. Maybe I should have placed it at the bottom.

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                                      OPF,

                                      I think now you are making more sense .i.e. you do not believe in the whole Quran because you are rejecting Dr Rashad Khalifa for being a messenger (381) and you are prefering Muhammad over Rashad i.e. making distingtion between messengers, and that you are still refering to Hadith regarding 9128-129..

                                      Sorry you are not God Alone and Quran Alone person as you potray you are you are just another stubborn sunni, who would not lose out on traditional so called Islam..

                                      Based on above I would like to denounce what you are saying and agree to disagree!!

                                      You Shall Not Make Any Distinction
                                      Among God's Messengers

                                      The messenger has believed in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so did the believers. They believe in GOD, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers "We make no distinction among any of His messengers." They say, "We hear, and we obey.* Forgive us, our Lord. To You is the ultimate destiny."

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                                        Then any name/phrase combo with GV = 150 is ?assumed? equally a relative candidate?

                                        Thus NuN + ?ANY LAST NAME? GV equal 44 is 50+6+50+44 =150

                                        Explain why this is not correct or inconsistent with your logic.

                                        NO! The coding system is based on the following fact;

                                        We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

                                        The point 4 above establishes the code, i.e. "to remove all traces of doubt", in the above code the trace of doubt is "was Abu Laheb Muhammad's Uncle or Not" which is thus removed by the code..

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                                          NO! The coding system is based on the following fact;

                                          We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

                                          The point 4 above establishes the code, i.e. "to remove all traces of doubt", in the above code the trace of doubt is "was Abu Laheb Muhammad's Uncle or Not" which is thus removed by the code..

                                          No, as pointed out earlier, without hadith there would be no uncle to doubt and any name with GV = 150 would suffice as a code candidate.

                                          Lastly, the verses are ?allegoric? thus should be read ?in context? with caution?

                                          1. And what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is?
                                          2. Naught doth it permit to endure, and naught doth it leave alone!-
                                          3. Darkening and changing the colour of man!
                                          4. Over it are Nineteen.
                                          5. And We have set none but angels as Guardians of the Fire; and We have fixed their number only as a trial for Unbelievers,- in order that the People of the Book may arrive at certainty, and the Believers may increase in Faith,- and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book and the Believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease and the Unbelievers may say, "What symbol doth Allah intend by this ?" Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He and this is no other than a warning to mankind.

                                          It?s a test ? constantly searching patterns is same as asking

                                          "What symbol doth Allah intend by this?"

                                          Peace

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