Our Own Country: please vote thanks
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Peace to all,
Sorry Samia, I did forget to respond to you,
Well, yes in a way we do follow the immigration laws with respect to other nations, but internally, once your in america you can enter and live on our rezervation very easily. We actually do have some treaty rights that would allow us to have a seperate foreign policy and different immigration options than other states in america but since we have noone in our community that is aware of these rights or fights for them they are neglected. WE have so many rights and reserved powers as a sovereign that are never used or fought for, there is so much potential to do something good here its hard to believe no one has tried yet.
AS for being a home model for a Quran alone community I didnt mean we would just declare it against the communitys wishes, i meant we would form a community of believers within our community and set an example, we can live, work, marry, raise families and influence others by our deeds, start to teach others that are interested, build a community mosque, etc, give away the Quran and spread the word peacefully,,, believe me, it will spread like wildfire. Eventually we will be the majority, after the truth what is left but falsehood?
We would also organize politically and if elected according to our constittion we can then begin to implement new ideas, we can even re write the constittion to however the majority desires,,,, hopefully we willl have a majority of good people who believe in God,,, if not we will continue to work peacefully until we can be.
I will have more soon,,, law school is kicking my butt right now,
Kurt
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Salams Ironsky
It seems that the same is happening to the native aborigines in Australia.
http//www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/24/093.html
Although I do believe that there are quite a few muslim aborigines, mostly if not all who were propagated to by traditional muslims.
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I'm also interested in IronSky's proposal.
Whereabouts is your place, IronSky?
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Peace to all,
David, nope, there are no other Muslims anywhere near where I live, I never even met a "muslim yet". I actually searched pretty hard for awhile to find others and im right next to canada and never found anyone, im not sure who the person was you met or from where.
Someone earlier said it would be silly to try to start a new country from nothing and I agreed that that is impossible, thats why I suggested my proposal, It already is a sovereign nation, with a land base, with a constitution ( i happen to be on the constitution committee now and we are in the process of changing it) we have a population of about 2,000, but only about 1200 actually live on the rez, as I have my entire life. We have a basic infrastructure, buildings, small economy, we make about 4o million a year in revenues, we employ about 800 people most of which are non tribal members. We also have a long history much of which has been forgotten or lost, our tradition and language is virtually dead, our religion is gone, no one practices the traditional native religion of our ancestors and the ones that try dont know what they are supposed to do since its original teachings are lost. Now all we have is a bunch of people who are part Native american, most practice no religion at all, the rest are some form of christianity only by default, since our conquerors gave it to our ancestors its been passed down but no one takes it too seriously. We are a people in dire need of something new and beautiful to restore what we have had taken , destroyed, or lost over the years. Most are either alocoholics, drug addicts, sexually promiscuous, gambling addicts, etc.
It needs a new way of life that I believe Islam can provide, the Quran is the message that my people need and I believe they are longing for without even realizing it.
All we need is some good, honest, truthful people to do some hard work. Anyone can come to our community, anyone can work here, many even live on our rez, so the non members that are infiltrating our community are also slowly tearing us apart, they bring there ways, teachings, traditions, religion, and way of life, we are being displaced with something worse than our own destroyed culture.
Islams the answer,
Muslims Needed
Kurt
Peace Ironsky,
I'm living in Australia ATM and the aboriginal situation sounds very similar to your peoples. I think it may be even worse here because the government doesn't want to acknowledge the sovereignty of the Aboriginals. I truly believe that both these communities care oppressed by drugs and alcohol and Islam can be a godsend to them. Maybe there is away to uplift both these communities with the Quran? -
Were apointing ambassadors? Can I be one?
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Were apointing ambassadors? Can I be one?
Every monotheist is an ambassador of God and religion...
In the same sense that every tourist is an ambassador for their country of origin.
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I was thinking about this yesterday and I think the main thing I'd wish for if living amongst others in such a community would be that there is a mindfulness that there is something greater than the self and members of such a community strive for that. For me, this is a core life-principle
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Peace Brother Wakas,
I was thinking about this yesterday and I think the main thing I'd wish for if living amongst others in such a community would be that there is a mindfulness that there is something greater than the self and members of such a community strive for that. For me, this is a core life-principle
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12389.0I agree 100% This is how the worker bee does his part to sustain the hive and how the ant contributes to the sustainability of the colony.
In addition to what Wakas said above, one would do better to adopt the slogan of "Duty Before Right".
Salaam,
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Salam,
Hey, I was thinking, if we can buy a land or an island and govern it ourselves with Quranic laws, would you come and help built the country? At least we could show the World, especially to the Muslim world how we live under the divine Quranic law.Your "concept" is similar to those of Zionist.
"if we can buy a land or an island and govern it ourselves with Torah laws, would you come and help built the country?
At least we could show the World, how we live under the divine Torah law."You're planning to "buy" a land which means there are already existing people in it. And it turns out "The Money" is not enough "To Buy The Whole Land", and naturally you'll resort to use force to drive people out of that land in order to uphold the "divine" law. The same thing happened before with Zionism. Yet another form of "SECTARIANISM".
Thus I Voted NO..
Salam
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Salaam Jafar
There are main differences between the "Jewish" dream and the GA dream
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The Jews wanted a specific land/country. God aloners do not have a specific land in their mind. If you scroll through the messages, one of the concerns is that any piece of land would be part of a country. This did not seem to bother the Zionists.
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"Islam" is a preaching system and welcomes converts. Judaism is not, hence they wanted only Jews.
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Zionists did not get a country only through money, but it was a big "international" conspiracy. Buying homes, fields or lands never gets you a country. Who will sell you rivers, forests, mountains, space...? Just look at any one of the Emirates...foreigners are more than the indigenous population and they can buy houses and buildings. Can they take over the whole country?
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There are main differences between the "Jewish" dream and the GA dream
- The Jews wanted a specific land/country. God aloners do not have a specific land in their mind. If you scroll through the messages, one of the concerns is that any piece of land would be part of a country. This did not seem to bother the Zionists.
So ? I don't see any big differences.. you still want "a land for your own sect".
- "Islam" is a preaching system and welcomes converts. Judaism is not, hence they wanted only Jews.
Judaism "welcomed" converts.. Zionism is not... they welcomed "anyone who claimed to be Jews", although scientifically this is so hard to prove.
But the main theme is very much the same "Our Own Country", thus I smell a great scent of "Sectarianism" here..- Zionists did not get a country only through money, but it was a big "international" conspiracy. Buying homes, fields or lands never gets you a country. Who will sell you rivers, forests, mountains, space...? Just look at any one of the Emirates...foreigners are more than the indigenous population and they can buy houses and buildings. Can they take over the whole country?
They did, at least at the beginning... then along the way they realize that they cannot buy rivers forests etc.. and they need more "space".
So they decided to take it..Salam
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Salam,
Hey, I was thinking, if we can buy a land or an island and govern it ourselves with Quranic laws, would you come and help built the country? At least we could show the World, especially to the Muslim world how we live under the divine Quranic law.Salam.
Trust me, soon, God willing, USA or Europe or maybe just some countries in Europe will be a place where Islam will be the majority and then The Quran will prevail, God willing.
God knows best.
As soon as our number increases, as soon as we step out of the shadows, as soon as we are seen and heard of, as soon as we get rid of these computers and walk into the 3D world, proud of being Quran alone Muslims, we will have any country as Quran alone country, God willing.
I live in Leicester, UK, and Somali community here already knows me and sees how i pray and we get along just fine.
When i was in London, i would be killed, if i was honest all the time...... one wahabi wanted to kill me, the others wanted to strangle me, some are full of hate and they are not afraid to show it, but that is not London, that's just some wahabis.
Trust me, Quran alone country is already here, we just need to step out. We only meet if the computer is on.
Peace.
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I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
We cannot walk alone.
And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.
We cannot turn back.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
Free at last! Free at last!
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
Stefan Rosty King, Jr.
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voted yes!
although this is not the time. there are people with plans to eliminate any chance of that coming true,im not saying its impossible,its just that there would be a bully coming to our country to kill the "terrorists" or "communists" or anything they want to call us, put some macdonalds and tv cable and also some corrupt politicians and rape our country like they did with all the world... imperialism dont stop, globalizing the whole globe,no one can be independent.
peace
