Strip clubs?!
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AOA guys
OK to cut this short ... Just came bk from a proper lad's holiday in prague!
Went to strip clubs etc but didnt get a blow-job or anything of that sort but got a private dance done in which she was fully naked ... I know I did wrong but these days, you have to get smth done to prove to ur friends that ur not that gay which is really sad!
I want to ask for forgiveness from God but a private dance show cannot be categorised as sex, right?
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You have committed major sin. Repent hard to Allah, and resolve never to commit this disgusting sin again. You have disgraced your family with such stupidity, you must completely forget these so called "friends" of yours, they are leading you to hellfire. Seek the company of pious people, and give precedence to your religion over all worldly affairs. Jazakum Allah.
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Peace Br AmmarB,
I know what wrong friendship means, so I advice you to show some guts and get rid of your bad friends before them ruin your life.
Are you born 85? then you are still very young and marriage isn't the issue yet I suppose.
But there are other ways to stay on the safe line in the matter of sex, buy a playboy magazine and masturbate better than visit a sex show like you did.
And it seems like you don't want to be like those friend of yours and there I see some hope, but you must dare to listen to your heart instead of the little devil inside you.
Maria
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You have committed major sin. Repent hard to Allah, and resolve never to commit this disgusting sin again. You have disgraced your family with such stupidity, you must completely forget these so called "friends" of yours, they are leading you to hellfire. Seek the company of pious people, and give precedence to your religion over all worldly affairs. Jazakum Allah.
Peace Yusha,
Your post is over the top! You have to remember that God is the ultimate judge. I agree that it was wrong, but threatening bro ammar with the hellfire is no help to him. Remember not to throw stones if you live in a glass house. It's better to listen to him with understanding and help him find a better way.
If bro ammar knows what he did was wrong, naturally God already knows that and all bro ammar needs to do is ask forgiveness and not do it again.
We should remember that God is the MOST gracious and MOST merciful. Humans would be quick to send someone to hell for just about anything... but God knows what we do not know.
And brother ammar,
True, I don't think it constitutes as "sex", but it is still wrong nonetheless... but I feel you know that already.
It is clear to me that you are sorry for what you did... that's why you are here. Peer pressure can be so hard to deal with. Again, God knows. It is better to hang with friends who won't put pressure to show that you are "not gay" and can add goodness to your life instead.
Be strong when it comes to sex. We have all been there and know how hard it can be. Don't kill yourself repenting "hard" as Yusha said. If you are sincerely sorry... God knows it already. But also, if you are truly sorry, you won't do it again in the future. Occupy your mind with other things and resort to your own hand when necessary.
May God find happiness in your willingness to do the right thing and may He help you stay away from wrong in the future.
dotty
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Suggestion Get away from friends like those. They will lead you straight down the drain. Friends are not people that should make personal choices for you, only you have that right (assuming you're an adult).
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Peace to all,
I agree with Yusha and OPF, I dont really have a problem with the way Yusha said it either, he basically said the same thing as OPF he just used stronger terms.
I also agree that its something only Ammar will have to answer for to God, all we can do is give him good advice, Bro, stay away from such places and friends, they will lead you to h e double hockey sticks.
Kurt
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AOA guys
OK to cut this short ... Just came bk from a proper lad's holiday in prague!
Went to strip clubs etc but didnt get a blow-job or anything of that sort but got a private dance done in which she was fully naked ... I know I did wrong but these days, you have to get smth done to prove to ur friends that ur not that gay which is really sad!
I want to ask for forgiveness from God but a private dance show cannot be categorised as sex, right?
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Lol, what a holiday bro.
Anyway, all I could say is this is none of our business. Your affair is purely only between you and God. Even if any of us say something is ok or not we actually dont know for sure.
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Peace to all,
Jankren, why do you always play the devils advocate, it is our business because he made it ours, he posted his story and asked us what we thought about it being a sin or not, some of us answered as honestly as we could, it will be up to him what he does with eother his own conscience or our advice, i feel it is my duty to tell him i think its wronf becuase i think it is, and he asked, arent we kind of told in the Quran to do such things,, do you think that if someone in the past has done something that may be a sin went up to one of the prophets such as jesus or Mohamad and asked,, "dear prophet, i think i have done something wrong, i may have sinned, can you tell me what you think of this and give me advice" would they respond " hey, thats really none of my business , do what you want bro and you will get your answer someday from God"
He asked and I say its wrong, ive done it before also and I knew it was wrong, i have asked for forgiveness many times, I would like to try to help a fellow believer to avoid such things,,, whats wrong with that Jankren.
Kurt
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AOA guys
OK to cut this short ... Just came bk from a proper lad's holiday in prague!
Went to strip clubs etc but didnt get a blow-job or anything of that sort but got a private dance done in which she was fully naked ... I know I did wrong but these days, you have to get smth done to prove to ur friends that ur not that gay which is really sad!
I want to ask for forgiveness from God but a private dance show cannot be categorised as sex, right?
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From my understanding, I can't see it being categorized as sex and I don't think it's a major sin. The Quran reminds us to "lower our gaze". You've broken this commandment and thats all, but to call it a major sin like Yusha says, well that is clearly going over the top. Ultimately it is God who decides. From my perspective, I think major sins have been clearly outlined and are loud and clear in the Quran, it usually starts of with "forbidden to ye ..." . It includes things such as murder. Fully naked girl rubbing herself all over you, I can't see that being on par with Murder. Anyways, it's not for anyone to decide, even for Sheik Yusha and his distasteful words. God is Merciful, as long as your repentant, insyallah, it won't be a biggie and that the doors of heaven with all it's bounty would still be there for you. Insyallah-god willing.
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Salam.
Strip clubs are sinful places, we should avoid them but if we decide to go there, we should go there with only one purpose to help those women get back on the track, ofer them a better life, help them find a better job and if that means i have to sleep on the floor tonight so that some stripper sleeps on my bed, then i will do that, i will stay hungry just so that she doesn't work there.
I would do anything to close strip clubs, to help those women, which is why i'm in the movie industry - money is the factor which does that anything - it opens doors to some people.
God knows best.
Peace.
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Peace alen, ammar all
nice post above but i guess you might get into big trouble with the ladies pimps...
This is also the bigger picture i'd like to bring over to ammar.
Besides the fact that you might have done something morally wrong as far as the rules of modesty are concerned, i'd like you to think about why these women are there. In many cases they are victims of organized crime and you're being there makes it live...this might sound far fetched, as we all do things in our lives that contribute to the world not getting any better - and be it only not sorting the waste...
imo guys that use prostitutes are worse than the prostitutes in most cases. the prostitute being oppressed (usuually) the pimp as well as the "user" are the oppressors, and oppression is worse than murder
what you do between consenting adults is something between you and god and living in a glass house myself, i sure wont throw the stone but
Al-A'raf - 7.33 . Say My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies , such of them as are apparent and such as are within , and sin and wrongful oppression , and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed , and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not .
Al-Qasas - 28.83 . As for that Abode of the Hereafter We assign it unto those who seek not oppression in the earth , nor yet corruption . The sequel is for those who ward off ( evil ) .
lk
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Salam.
Strip clubs are sinful places, we should avoid them but if we decide to go there, we should go there with only one purpose to help those women get back on the track, ofer them a better life, help them find a better job and if that means i have to sleep on the floor tonight so that some stripper sleeps on my bed, then i will do that, i will stay hungry just so that she doesn't work there.
I would do anything to close strip clubs, to help those women, which is why i'm in the movie industry - money is the factor which does that anything - it opens doors to some people.
God knows best.
Peace.
These women, most of them anyway generally have suffered some form of sexual abuse as children. I think some 90% (?) of sex workers suffered rape, incest, etc during their childhood.
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Peace all,
I do not encourage young people to go to strip clubs but come on guys no one is perfect, in his age it?s hard to resist the temptations and once in a while you do give in.
My advice to the young man is that ?don?t make it a habit or an obsession? because that will become your idol then.
The positive sign is that the young man is not proud of this visit and feels that he has done something morally wrong and prays for forgiveness from the lord.
Allah desires that He should make light your burdens, and man is created weak. 428
Say "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! DESPAIR NOT OF THE MERCY OF ALLAH FOR ALLAH FORGIVES ALL SINS for HE IS OFT-FORGIVING, MOST MERCIFUL. 3953.
LK
This is also the bigger picture i'd like to bring over to ammar.
Besides the fact that you might have done something morally wrong as far as the rules of modesty are concerned, i'd like you to think about why these women are there. In many cases they are victims of organized crime and you're being there makes it live...this might sound far fetched, as we all do things in our lives that contribute to the world not getting any better - and be it only not sorting the waste...
imo guys that use prostitutes are worse than the prostitutes in most cases. the prostitute being oppressed (usuually) the pimp as well as the "user" are the oppressors, and oppression is worse than murder
Einige sehr gute Punkte LK bravo
peace
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I do not encourage young people to go to strip clubs but come on guys no one is perfect, in his age it?s hard to resist the temptations and once in a while you do give in.
This is true. Please, I request to everyone who passes judgement... remember what it is like... none of us are perfect. It is better to advise ammar to try his best (with God's help) to do better in the future. After all, we can't do anything in this world with out the help of God.
The positive sign is that the young man is not proud of this visit and feels that he has done something morally wrong and prays for forgiveness from the lord.
Ditto.
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
Peace,
You are on the right track here with your feelings. I never saw that blame should be put on your friends ammar. After all, we are ultimately responsible for ourselves. YOU made the choice, no one else. Now YOU are making the choice to never do it again, with the help of God.
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Well I do know that strip clubs are wrong and will never support them but when ur with friends then its a bit hard ... My friends are good! No one really forced me to get a dance and no one can ever force me! ...
The thing is that during the dance, we did some sex positions and she was sitting on me but obviously my trousers were zipped up etc ... OH GOD I know i did wrong and ill never get a dance again .. never ever again!
I think Allah will understand cus its a natural temptation but believe me, I will never have sex before marriage and thats my stern principle!
You are correct in every regard, but friends influence each other, and that's what I meant by forcing. Maybe you should influence them, towards good, bring them onto this site, no?
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Salam,
Elke posted some good verses there.
Ammarb, nothing is more 'cool' than a person with strong intergrity! I know sometimes we just dont wanna hurt others' feelings but we ourselves are individuals too and we have to respect our own wishes and values... Be strong, friend!