How do you pray?

the_seeker

Peace,

This is a good example of following the Sunnah of our last prophet derived from the Quran. the qul is obviously to our last prophet. My advice would be to imitate the saying. So leave out the qul, say the rest and then where it says kabbirhu takbeeran, say Allahu Akbaru! with true feeling and as many times as you want, exalt him, as it says.

Godbless,
Anwar

Thank you and peace be upon you Anwar. handshake

Fadhli

Dear i believe

here's some links if you haven't checked it yet.... (just to broaden your view on 19)

http//19.org/index.php?id=76,284,0,0,1,0
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/19.pdf
http//19.org/index.php?id=26,57,0,0,1,0.

and a whole lot more articles on 19.org...

Peace handshake

farida

Right . . . . hmm That's why I said you were being an extreme . . . nope And I didn't know that I had used the term extremist (which is very different from what I said) confused
Please don't jump to conclusions. I just think you are digging a little too deep and hence, there is no need for me to do so. The quality of a mosque and what it is based on can be assessed by the quality of people that attend it. But it is your choice if you will not attend a mosque until you know where every cent involved in its founding came from. I just think this is a little extreme (again, not calling you an extremist). And I'm just giving you my honest assessment. What a way to miss the point and just take things too far. Figures. Peace. peace

Godbless,
Anwar

Salaam Bro Anwar

If we do a bit of investigations about the funding in the mosque we would soon know how many mosques are backed by likes of Saudis and others, whose aim is to promote their own agenda. I do not see it as an unnecessary exercise, its like geting to the bottom of the party funding which is big issue in shaping the politics,(of the mosques). In your opinion its being extreme which makes me an extremist.

The quality of the people who attend is different from the quality of those who maintains the mosques as mentioned in the Qur'an.

Peace

progod

Salam,

Salaam Bro Anwar

If we do a bit of investigations about the funding in the mosque we would soon know how many mosques are backed by likes of Saudis and others, whose aim is to promote their own agenda. I do not see it as an unnecessary exercise, its like geting to the bottom of the party funding which is big issue in shaping the politics,(of the mosques). In your opinion its being extreme which makes me an extremist.

The quality of the people who attend is different from the quality of those who maintains the mosques as mentioned in the Qur'an.

I really hate when people put words into my mouth. I think you are being extreme about how you should deal with assesing the basis of a mosque. Being an extremist which is being extreme all the time would make you an extremist. But seeing how you constantly like to take things to an extreme, even in the previous conversations I have had with you I think that now I would assess you as an extremist. Again, I did not think that before I read this post, but through retrospection, in addition to your being extreme about this issue . . . Yes I do think you are an extremist, extremist, extremist. I hope that makes you happy now.

That is your business if you think that this is a necessary excercise. I can see how it can be important, but as I said before the most important way to find out what a mosque is based on is by assessing its parishioners and its leadership, not walking in there and asking how they get their funds. It is not some sweater store that buys from sweat shops. Sometimes how a mosque got started has nothing to do with how it is maintained. As for your quote on those who maintain the mosque, take it as you woud like. I always understood it as those who keep it clean and those who bring water to those who visit it (which in the end could be just those who pay the bills). I'll look into the real meanings of those words. Which probably won't matter to you. You are going to believe what you want to believe in the end. Right?

But just to solve something here as I'm sure you have not gleaned it yet. Yes, if a mosque is being upkept by extremists then there is a problem there. More important is if that mosque is attended by extremists and has extremist goals. However, as I said the best way to assess what a mosque is based on is its charter and the quality of its members and leadership. How it was built or remains standing is less important, because the quality of the people there will determine the quality of the funds coming in. Good people (leadership and members) support good things, and bad people (leadership and members) support bad things. It is really as simple as that.

Godbless,
Anwar

farida

Salam,

I really hate when people put words into my mouth. I think you are being extreme about how you should deal with assesing the basis of a mosque. Being an extremist which is being extreme all the time would make you an extremist. But seeing how you constantly like to take things to an extreme, even in the previous conversations I have had with you I think that now I would assess you as an extremist. Again, I did not think that before I read this post, but through retrospection, in addition to your being extreme about this issue . . . Yes I do think you are an extremist, extremist, extremist. I hope that makes you happy now.

That is your business if you think that this is a necessary excercise. I can see how it can be important, but as I said before the most important way to find out what a mosque is based on is ?As far as someone winning the loterry, I don't think that is evil. It is the distribution of money randomly that is evil not the recieving of it. Just like it is the charging of interest that makes it wrong (and that makes it interest). If you do not charge interest but someone gives you an extra percentage of their money as a gift, that is not interest? not walking in there and asking how they get their funds. It is not some sweater store that buys from sweat shops. Sometimes how a mosque got started has nothing to do with how it is maintained. As for your quote on those who maintain the mosque, take it as you woud like. I always understood it as those who keep it clean and those who bring water to those who visit it (which in the end could be just those who pay the bills). I'll look into the real meanings of those words. Which probably won't matter to you. You are going to believe what you want to believe in the end. Right?

But just to solve something here as I'm sure you have not gleaned it yet. Yes, if a mosque is being upkept by extremists then there is a problem there. More important is if that mosque is attended by extremists and has extremist goals. However, as I said the best way to assess what a mosque is based on is its charter and the quality of its members and leadership. How it was built or remains standing is less important, because the quality of the people there will determine the quality of the funds coming in. Good people (leadership and members) support good things, and bad people (leadership and members) support bad things. It is really as simple as that.

Godbless,
Anwar

Salaam again,

Thank you for your assessment; your replies do make me wonder. I never asked you to follow my way I only asked about the Mosques, according to my understanding of the Qur'an.

You say ?However, as I said the best way to assess what a mosque is based on is its charter and the quality of its members and leadership, " In my less eloquent language I too was saying similar thing.

In an affluent area you would find often find rich ones with l big cars trying to get parking in the beautiful mosques whereas in not so well off area there is different crowd often loaded with the worries, The majority do not chooses mosques according to my "extreme" ways it all about going to most convenient mosque in the location

Best regards
farida

ayani

the Quran urges us to remember God, to be mindful of Him, and to praise Him, to be grateful, things like that. there is a paragraph from a book on prayer when one goes to read Psalms, one might feel distracted, unprayerful, or uninspired. later, walking outside or watering a plant, a prayerful feeling might come upon him or her, unexpectedly.

And remember your Lord within yourself, in humility and in reverence; and without loudness in words, during the morning and the evening. And do not be of the careless ones. 7205

O you who believe, you shall remember God frequently.
And glorify Him morning and evening.
He is the One who sends down blessings on you, along with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers. 3341-43

i know one Quran-alone brother who makes salat (as in bowing and prostrating) in the morning and evening (just two times per day), and combines the bowing and prostrating with remembrance of God, reading Quran, and praise.

he argues, very well, that the Quran asks us to honor times for prayer, but does not say exactly when. we are asked to praise God in the morning and evening, to pray morning and evening, to bow, to prostrate, to remember Him.

...before the dawn prayer, and when you put off your attire from the noon time, and after the evening prayer... 2458

...and extol thy Sustainer's limitless glory and praise Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and extol His glory, too, during some of the hours of the night as well as during the hours of the day, so that thou might attain to happiness. 20130

above, we are asked to praise and remember God during the day hours, too, and at night. also, i am reading some of the hadith about timed prayer, and they all begin with "Allah's messenger used to...". does this mean everyone should pray the same way as Mohammed?

for every nation We have established rites which they are to fulfill. so do not let the matter fall into dispute. and call upon your Lord, for you are on a path which is straight. 2267

so surely the entire world needn't follow the specific examples of Mohammed. but from my reading and this brother's reading, we are asked to pray at the dawn and dusk, and to remember God throughout the day, and to bow and prostrate, and praise Him. i tend to combine these commandments in salat.

ayani

also, there are these ayat

so give glory to Allah when you enter upon the evening hours, and when you rise at morn
yea, to Him be praise, in the heavens and on earth; and when the day begins to decline, and at noon. 3017-18

we have evening, rising at morn, noon(ish), and as the day declines (sunset). that's four times mentioned. we are also asked to remember God hour to hour, think about Him, thank Him, praise Him.

and be steadfast in prayer; practice regular charity; and bow down with those who bow down (in worship). 243

so we are asked, in the same breath, to be steadfast in prayer, and bow down, and in other ayat bowing and prostrating are mentioned at the same time.

when ye finish prayers, celebrate Allah's praises, standing, sitting down, or lying down on your sides; but when ye are free from danger, set up regular prayers for such prayers are enjoined on believers at stated times. 4103

and the time stated are at dawn when we wake up, in the evening, as the day declines, and around noon. but more persistently the two approximate times of morning and evening are mentioned.

and they (humanity) are ordered naught else than to serve Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being faithful, and to establish worship and to give to charity. that is the true deen. 985

so all peoples are ordered to worship only God, to be devoted to Him in all things, to give generously to the needy, and to set up regular prayer times day to day.

Wakas

peace ayani, all,

Verses such as 20130 and 3017-18 are often cited in support of "salat" timings but I have not seen one argument that proves a connection without causing errors/contradictions in timings.

Also, to equate various concepts, such as dua / salat / tasbih and involve that in timings is unsound, unless a solid connection/equivalence can be proven first.

ayani

peace ayani, all,

Verses such as 20130 and 3017-18 are often cited in support of "salat" timings but I have not seen one argument that proves a connection without causing errors/contradictions in timings.

Also, to equate various concepts, such as dua / salat / tasbih and involve that in timings is unsound, unless a solid connection/equivalence can be proven first.

well... i'm not saying that the only valid reading, just that this is how i read the references to salat and times of the day. i do find it a blessing to set aside time during the day at given points to remember God, to use my body in worship and remembrance, to offer du'a and praise, etc. besides, Muslims around the world do this... Sunnis, Shias, Ismailis, Alevis, Zikris, Sufis... we are supposed to worship God as one ummah, and not let disputes pull us apart, or "rejoice in what we have" as a "sect". 3032

also, i feel it's useful to have the fluency with other Muslims' worship patterns.

Wakas

peace ayani,

I am not disputing the practice of setting daily time aside to focus on God/Quran etc. I am disputing referencing of certain verses as evidence for such timings when doing so results in errors/contradictions, and equating of concepts when nothing has been shown demonstrating this is the case.

I too made these mistake when researching "salat", hence highlighting it here for others to consider.

Wakas

I forgot to give the alternative. When I studied some timing verses, the errors/contradictions were only resolved by taking them as idiomatic expressions to mean "all the time" / "throughout the day" etc. Just something to consider if investigating the timings of the non-salat specific verses.

khurram

I establish solla by reciting the Quran before Dawn and at night, standing.

ayani

I establish solla by reciting the Quran before Dawn and at night, standing.

masha'allah. peace

unknownuser

masha'allah. peace

exactly!

Alen

The Qur'aanic night starts after sunset, so after sunset = during night.

You are separating "after sunset" and "during night", whereas they are the same thing.

Peace,
Respectfully.

If the Quranic night starts with sunset, does that mean thet Quranic day starts with sunrise?
Provide some evidence from The Quran, please.

Peace.

rsw

i prostrate, confess my sins and beg for forgiveness and for God to be patient with me. Then I read the Scriptures. I do this whenever I wake up, before I sleep, and sometimes inbetween.

Mr_Deen

3 x Al-Fatiha, sitting or standing. + regular hygienic activities.

mmkhan

Salaamun Alaikum,

I pray Fajr and Eshaan as mentioned in 2458

Only stands while praying and ends with Sajda as mentioned in 4102

I don't read/recite AlQuraan in Salaat but I do recite only those aayaats that praise Allah and I do remember Allah as mentioned in 2014

Regards,
mmKhan

anthonywallace

I wash up or bath before I salat.
If im not alone and i call someone else to salat with me, I would have them sit down and give them a small speech/teaching, and then I tell them " call upon God or call upon the merciful, whatever u call upon then the best names are for Him." Then position them were thay should stand, ect...
I face the focal point and say " all praises to God who did not take a son, nor does He have a partner in soverinty, nor does He have ally out of weakness," at least thrice normally.
Then I get on my kneez and pray to God.
Then I go into prostration and glorify God further.
Then I get back on my kneez and supplicate further.
Then I stand to read/recite a chapter or two or a few verces from quran. Before I read quran I ask the Lord to admit me an entrance of truth and let me exit a exit of truth ,ect... then I seek refuge with God from Satan the outcast, then I open the quran and read.
I usually end the reading with praises to God and sometimes a short prayer to end the connection,ectt....If salating with someone, I may see if they want to contribute anything to the community chest...then I also focus on giving a charity as soon as possible. ( i might read before the prayer sometimes.)

and thats about it... peace

anthonywallace

I had to think again about the question. How do I pray? I pray like this

I say " Our Lord, we believe, so forgive us our sins and spare us the retribution of the fire. My Lord, forgive and have mercy; and You are the Most Merciful. My Lord, forgive me and my parents, and the believeing men and women; and do not increase the wicked except in destruction..." pr

peace