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Who is Zaid in this Aya??

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    Leoxyz
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    "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

    Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

    Such examples have been used for other names also
    -Muhammad
    -Umar
    So these names and characters are also imaginary
    Right ???
    brickwall brickwall
    Zaid was adopted son of the Holy Prophet as G.A pervaiz has accepted.I have given his version.

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      Samia
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      Such examples have been used for other names also
      -Muhammad
      -Umar

      Where?

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        Leoxyz
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        Where?

        Please pick up " " you will get many such examples.
        Reference same book as above for "primary schools ,part III ,page 151 under discussion of 'conjunctions (waw ul Ataf and waw ul maiyyah"
        Names used in examples are ;
        Muhammad
        Ahmad
        Hasan
        Ibrahim
        Khalid

        Page 161
        In two examples " Ali " is used

        Please also look into 'A grammar of Arabic language by W.Wright volume II page 255 Edition 2004

        the name "umar " is used in four examples.

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          Samia
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          hehehehe...

          That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

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            Leoxyz
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            hehehehe...

            That's not what I was talking about. I said "Arabs", meaning in classical dictionaries and old books of grammar (time-wise).

            So you want to say
            If some name is used in "examples" ,then it is a sure proof ,that any person of that name never existed as companion of the Holy Prophet ??
            brickwall brickwall

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              nadeem
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              Peace Sis Samia,

              So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

              Nadeem

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                Samia
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                Peace Sis Samia,

                So what you're saying is that Zaid is to Arabic as John Doe is to english?

                Nadeem

                Yes, it is (John Smith, I think)

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                  arnoldyasin
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                  QXP

                  3337 (In personal matters you may respectfully disagree with
                  Muhammad in the capacity of a human being 379. As an example)
                  Recall that you did tell the one to whom God had blessed and you had
                  blessed, Hold on to your wife and be mindful of God. You seek to
                  conceal within yourself what God intends to reveal. You fear people
                  whereas it is more appropriate to fear God. But when he had observed
                  all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to one of you in marriage, so
                  that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of
                  spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the
                  dissolution of their union. The commandment of God must be fulfilled.

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                    Samia
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                    Thanks Yasin.

                    That was the reason why I suspect it to be a proper name. Much more important personalities were not mentioned by name in the qur'aan.

                    So it is John Doe not John Smith? Maybe John Smith is the UK Zaid ;D

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                      Leoxyz
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                      QXP

                      3337 (In personal matters you may respectfully disagree with
                      Muhammad in the capacity of a human being 379. As an example)
                      Recall that you did tell the one to whom God had blessed and you had
                      blessed, ?Hold on to your wife and be mindful of God. You seek to
                      conceal within yourself what God intends to reveal. You fear people
                      whereas it is more appropriate to fear God.? But when he had observed
                      all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to one of you in marriage, so
                      that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of
                      spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the
                      dissolution of their union. The commandment of God must be fulfilled.

                      you are referring a person who cannot who translates the aya of
                      -wash the feet as "rub the feet".
                      Such persons can be a standarf for you or Samia not for me at least.
                      Quote some literate authority please.

                      Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

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                        unknownuser
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                        Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

                        Thanks.

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                          Leoxyz
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                          Thanks.

                          Zayd ibn Harithah
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                          Zayd ibn Harithah (Zayd ibn Muhammad or Zaid mawla Muhammad) (c. 578-627 CE) was a prominent figure in the early Islamic community and the only one of sahaba whose name is spelled directly in Quran. As an adopted son of Muhammad, he was an early convert to Islam and later, a military leader. He died c. 627 CE at the Battle of Mu'tah.

                          http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayd_ibn_Harithah

                          So Quranists have taken a new Turn that
                          -Quran is grammatically wrong
                          -Any person who is mentioned in the Quran did not exist at all
                          Is this not tampering of the Quran ???

                          1781
                          (1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish.

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                            unknownuser
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                            IF Zayd Bin Harith didn't exist then who was the ex husband of Huzoor? 's wife zainab? and who was the father of Osama Bin Zayd? yay Now lemme see how these quranists say Zayd Bin Harith didn't exist.

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                              Jack
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                              Prove that Zayd Bin Harith did not exist at all.

                              Prove Muhammad didn't exist at all.

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                                Leoxyz
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                                Prove Muhammad didn't exist at all.

                                It not we who are saying Zaid did not exist.
                                It the Quranist progeny which is claiming so .

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                                  afridi220
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                                  "Zaid" is an imaginary name to "anybody". The verse is applied to anyone, not necessarily those named "Zaid". Otherwise, we make the verse very specific.

                                  Arabs say 3amr, Zaid for individuals, when giving examples, as in Daaraba zaidun 3amra example for subject and direct object; or Zaid and 3ubaid for a group as in I do not care for zaid or 3ubaid I care for no one.

                                  peace

                                  Samia is right zaid and baker is use in urdu also when giving example.

                                  peace

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                                    Leoxyz
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                                    peace

                                    Samia is right zaid and baker is use in urdu also when giving example.

                                    peace

                                    Only such type of argument is expected from a Quranist.After all to be rational one needs
                                    -Brain
                                    -knowledge

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                                      afridi220
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                                      [After all to be rational one needs
                                      -Brain
                                      -knowledge

                                      You are right its apply to you also voodoo

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                                        siki
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                                        Come on guys! what is wrong with accepting Zaid as prophet Mohammad's(pbuh) son? If God did not want to take his name, could he not use the term, " When his adopted son was through with,,,,"

                                        If the name is there in Quran, and it is being confirmed/verified through history as well , why are we insisting upon this being fictitious? and provide a chance to a very rational person (leoxyz) to be skeptical ?

                                        siki

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                                          Come on guys! what is wrong with accepting Zaid as prophet Mohammad's(pbuh) son? If God did not want to take his name, could he not use the term, " When his adopted son was through with,,,,"

                                          If the name is there in Quran, and it is being confirmed/verified through history as well , why are we insisting upon this being fictitious? and provide a chance to a very rational person (leoxyz) to be skeptical ?

                                          siki

                                          Who is saying it is fictitious?

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