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2:260 - an obvious error in translation?

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  • FusionF Offline
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    Fusion
    wrote on last edited by
    #41

    Thanks Emre and Mohammad for your insightful opinion. and as I said am not in or out of this concept of miracle but it is an interesting topic for me.
    I hope i will not be judged by the almighty if i have interpreted some miracle related verses in one or another.
    The definition of miracle as per google is
    an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.

    So for sure we look at ourselves and we see a miracle.. we see a seed a tiny object and just mix with soil and water and become a tree. the sun, moon, the universe and its creation and the creation of adam and others indeed are in same category. What I want to understand is that when things are set in motion and laws were created by almighty then surely he can break those laws but my observation is that why these have stopped happening since man is able to record audio and videos of events?
    Miracle of such a level which is not related to a prophet (if we were to believed these were attributed of prophet) but to common man, why not happening now because if they do, it would be a big news. yes people claimed miraculous things but its only a claim and in todays modern times we have the capacity to record everything yet these so called personal claims never proven.

    I give you one example
    Traditional translation of the verse
    2259

    Or as the one who passed by a township which had fallen into ruin. He said, “How will Allah bring this to life after its death?” So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years; then He revived him. He said, “How long have you remained?” The man said, “I have remained a day or part of a day.” He said, “Rather, you have remained one hundred years. Look at your food and your drink; it has not changed with time. And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones – how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh.” And when it became clear to him, he said, “I know that Allah is over all things competent.”

    So I am sure God may have also tried to give examples to explain his message not that it literally happened. Because God can do anything but god has put in motion this universe in his laws until a certain period of time.

    I again find GA Pevez explanation more logical (not that God cannot do such an event thats not the point here[

    (From Laws relating to an individual’s life and death We now move to the Laws relating to the life and death of nations.) As is known in history, after the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, the Bani-Isr’ael lived in captivity for about a hundred years. Then they were liberated and re-established in Jerusalem. This story has been narrated in the Quran symbolically as follows A person passing through a ruined habitation asked if such a devastated place could have new life. Allah kept him in a death-like state for a hundred years, then gave him new life and asked him “How long have you remained in this state?” He replied “May be a day or so.” Allah said to him “You have been in this state for a hundred years but your food and drink has not gone bad and your ass is still standing as before. You should also reflect upon the process by which man develops from the embryonic state to where he becomes a living human being.”

    When the passer-by had reflected upon the parable, he said “Now I can understand how Allah can give life to dead nations.”

    Thanks

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      Emre_1974tr
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      Thank you dear Fusion.

      I would like to add the following to what I have said on this subject.

      There is no symbolic expression in the Qur'an. More precisely, if it is going to describe something representatively, it says "it is like this, it is like that" and clearly states that it is making a comparison and gives an explanation (it states very clearly what it compares what to what). The Quran is already a clear book. There is nothing like this/symbol in the verses about these miracles.

      When God does something in the same way, we call it a law. But when He does something differently in what is called a miracle, not only do we understand that this is something that man or jinn cannot do, but we also witness that Allah has the power to act as He wishes with His free will. As you know, there are pantheists who worship nature, the universe and the laws of physics. They believe that the universe and its laws are unchangeable and inviolable because they see them as God. God answers this misconception by creating outside the laws of physics. In fact, polytheistic teachings throughout history have often been part of pantheistic spiritualism. Islam is in struggle with this pagan doctrine. This spiritist doctrine is also communist and you will find that those who defend the immutability of the laws of nature are generally left-leaning.

      Today, the spiritists are trying to infiltrate the movement to return to the Quran and present their pantheistic and leftist teachings as if they were from the Quran. Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why verses that talk about miracles are being interpreted in terms of the laws of physics.

      There is also the fact that the laws of physics do not yet know exactly what they allow and what they do not allow, even by scientists. Today they may say that the speed of light cannot be exceeded, tomorrow they may say that it can be exceeded, that the laws of physics allow it, and that we have just realized this. Jinns and angels are actually physical beings, and because the scientific world has not yet discovered them, they are perceived as if they are beyond the laws of physics. But no, they are material beings subject to laws, just like us. They have just not yet been discovered by science.

      In the Star Trek movies and TV series, which claim to be based on scientific facts, teleportation is possible, and in the last episodes, food and blessings can be produced directly from the energy of the universe with supercomputerized machines. It is also known that there are black holes in the universe and a black hole the size of a dot can swallow huge planets or stars.

      Also, as I mentioned earlier, a civilization advanced in science and technology can do anything that the laws of physics allow, so should we accept their religious beliefs and teachings because of what they have done? Of course not. Whatever the laws of physics allow, we, the servants, can do. There is no miracle in this. It is only for people who are not at that level that these things are seen as miracles and are misleading. The real miracle is to go beyond the laws of physics and no one can do that except Allah.

      Peace

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        jkhan
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        #43

        Thanks Emre and Mohammad for your insightful opinion. and as I said am not in or out of this concept of miracle but it is an interesting topic for me.
        I hope i will not be judged by the almighty if i have interpreted some miracle related verses in one or another.
        The definition of miracle as per google is
        an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.

        So for sure we look at ourselves and we see a miracle.. we see a seed a tiny object and just mix with soil and water and become a tree. the sun, moon, the universe and its creation and the creation of adam and others indeed are in same category. What I want to understand is that when things are set in motion and laws were created by almighty then surely he can break those laws but my observation is that why these have stopped happening since man is able to record audio and videos of events?
        Miracle of such a level which is not related to a prophet (if we were to believed these were attributed of prophet) but to common man, why not happening now because if they do, it would be a big news. yes people claimed miraculous things but its only a claim and in todays modern times we have the capacity to record everything yet these so called personal claims never proven.

        I give you one example
        Traditional translation of the verse
        2259

        Or as the one who passed by a township which had fallen into ruin. He said, “How will Allah bring this to life after its death?” So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years; then He revived him. He said, “How long have you remained?” The man said, “I have remained a day or part of a day.” He said, “Rather, you have remained one hundred years. Look at your food and your drink; it has not changed with time. And look at your donkey; and We will make you a sign for the people. And look at the bones – how We raise them and then We cover them with flesh.” And when it became clear to him, he said, “I know that Allah is over all things competent.”

        So I am sure God may have also tried to give examples to explain his message not that it literally happened. Because God can do anything but god has put in motion this universe in his laws until a certain period of time.

        I again find GA Pevez explanation more logical (not that God cannot do such an event thats not the point here[

        (From Laws relating to an individual’s life and death We now move to the Laws relating to the life and death of nations.) As is known in history, after the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, the Bani-Isr’ael lived in captivity for about a hundred years. Then they were liberated and re-established in Jerusalem. This story has been narrated in the Quran symbolically as follows A person passing through a ruined habitation asked if such a devastated place could have new life. Allah kept him in a death-like state for a hundred years, then gave him new life and asked him “How long have you remained in this state?” He replied “May be a day or so.” Allah said to him “You have been in this state for a hundred years but your food and drink has not gone bad and your ass is still standing as before. You should also reflect upon the process by which man develops from the embryonic state to where he becomes a living human being.”

        When the passer-by had reflected upon the parable, he said “Now I can understand how Allah can give life to dead nations.”

        Thanks

        Topic is entirely different though it was miracle.. So let's stick with topic.. Anyways God has given reason as under..

        1759 "And nothing has prevented Us from sending Miracles/ Signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning"

        'Aya' here is definitely Miracles not verses since God is sending verses with Quran..

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