Being Muslim prevents cancer?
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Peace,
You want the health benefits of 'red wine'?
Eat raw grapes! Their skins contain the same polyphenols (the good stuff in red wine)
It is Not the Alcohol in Wine That is Beneficial
Studies show that it is not the alcohol in red wine that is beneficial to your health. What are beneficial are the abundant quantities of polyphenolic compounds that are found even in red wine that has been dealcoholized.
The study indicated that dealcoholized red wine, which contains polyphenolic compounds, is capable of decreasing atherosclerosis, as were red and white wines.. Researchers concluded that when consumed moderately, dealcoholized red wine may decrease atherosclerosis--the hardening of the walls of the arteries--which may interfere with blood flow
http//www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/1/123
P.S. Moderately means NO more than one glass a day. Avoid the alcohol, it's a waste of time. You are making the body work for something that's useless. Just think about it. Also, the 'benefits' are very misleading. Yes it can be good for your heart (again only if done moderately) BUT, It increases the risk of other diseases.
Also see
Healthy Wine myth debunked - This was a study involving over 7,000 people for over 16 years.
http//www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,621861,00.html
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Peace
Thank you for the post.
Interesting -
Peace, yes interesting. But i wonder, alcohol IS harmful, but why didn't God prohibit it straightly like He did for pork? Or maybe we're getting the verses wrong?
Personally i dont drink alcohol but i wouldn't want to impose on myself a restriction that is not one. However, i do recognize the fact that God tells us not to be extremists and to find a middle path. Satan has turned the lawful into the prohibited and vice versa. If i take one, just one glass of wine a day, and i dont get drunk with one glass, what's addictive in that? I know that for others it can be addictive, but others dont follow quran. They not only get drunk but then again they also dont believe in God. It's like the question, following our inner compass. If yr compass indicates the route of satan, then you'll get drunk, eat pork,etc but otherwise you will have your senses, you will have self control, you will uphold quran and not look at others and think that their behaviour justifies prohibiting that for you might be harmless, because you know you can control yourself. Afterall, isn't God alone about freeing your mind. -
Peace Tarikh,
I must agree with you. I don't see in Quran there is a prohibition for alcohol, only an advice of not overdo its intake.
Make things forbidden only make people more curious about it.And God advice us for the sake of the best for us, He don't want to put hardship on us. It's only ourselves who put the hardship on us when we accept fairy tales and baseless hadiths.
Of course if we can stay out of drugs it's the best for us because we put our health on trial when we consume too much of drugs, our kidneys and livers have to work harder and cancers and other deceases can occur.
To have the benefits of red grapes you have to drink one glass of red wine or 3 glasses of pure juice from red grapes daily.
Maria
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Peace,
a) Just because something is not forbidden doesn't mean it's good for you. I can say a million repulsive things aren't forbidden (faulty logic by the way) because quran doesn't use the word(s) 'forbidden' for them.
b) If alcohol was forbidden people would refuse to use it for medicinal uses. And that's an important use of alcohol.
To have the benefits of red grapes you have to drink one glass of red wine or 3 glasses of pure juice from red grapes daily.
AND the juice has to be home-made. The juice you buy in the grocery store (even if it 100% pure) is pasteurized (heating process) destroying it's benefits. Also, drinking that much juice daily will have adverse health effects because of the sugar. If you have any health conditions, diseases, etc... Alcohol should absolutely be avoided at all costs, or it will make you worse.
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Peace, yes interesting. But i wonder, alcohol IS harmful, but why didn't God prohibit it straightly like He did for pork? Or maybe we're getting the verses wrong?
Personally i dont drink alcohol but i wouldn't want to impose on myself a restriction that is not one. However, i do recognize the fact that God tells us not to be extremists and to find a middle path. Satan has turned the lawful into the prohibited and vice versa. If i take one, just one glass of wine a day, and i dont get drunk with one glass, what's addictive in that? I know that for others it can be addictive, but others dont follow quran. They not only get drunk but then again they also dont believe in God. It's like the question, following our inner compass. If yr compass indicates the route of satan, then you'll get drunk, eat pork,etc but otherwise you will have your senses, you will have self control, you will uphold quran and not look at others and think that their behaviour justifies prohibiting that for you might be harmless, because you know you can control yourself. Afterall, isn't God alone about freeing your mind.TTarikh, I think that I answered those questions already in my previous messages. So God tells you what there is about wine, you know what the evils o alcohol are, but you cling to the it is not forbidden thing as if something more was to be extracted from it. I tell you, I don't want drinking to be forbidden and I want very few things to be forbidden, because you build moral responsibility and strength through acting out of conviction and not out of imposition. That in fact is what the Qur'an is about. The truthful Qur'an in most things tries to convince, not to dump mindless impositions on our heads. That is what they call today empowerment. So you want to drink because it is not forbidden and want to enjoy it, go ahead. It is your decision and the Qur'an empowers you to decide. Is it a wrong decision? I think it is, but I am not you, I don't have power over you, God didn't want me to have power over you. I will also not have to respond for what you do, but you will have to. It is up to you, and nobody can do anything so that it is up to somebody else. So you may still ask five hundred years what is wrong with it if you just drink one glass, and I don't think the answers you'll get will be dramatically different. Nobody is going to take from you the responsibility of your decisions nor to put on you the responsibility of other people's decisions.
Salaam
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Peace,
a) Just because something is not forbidden doesn't mean it's good for you. I can say a million repulsive things aren't forbidden (faulty logic by the way) because quran doesn't use the word(s) 'forbidden' for them.
b) If alcohol was forbidden people would refuse to use it for medicinal uses. And that's an important use of alcohol.
AND the juice has to be home-made. The juice you buy in the grocery store (even if it 100% pure) is pasteurized (heating process) destroying it's benefits. Also, drinking that much juice daily will have adverse health effects because of the sugar. If you have any health conditions, diseases, etc... Alcohol should absolutely be avoided at all costs, or it will make you worse.Peace,
Yes, the medical benefits for alcohol in medicine is not to be forgotten and that's the reason why so many sectarians fail on this, when they avoid all alcohol even in medicines and antiseptic creams etc.
For the juice, it's ofcourse the best to prepare it yourself and it's more yummy too. Now they have pills made from blueberry and other fruits and maybe it's better to take them to avoid too much sugar intake.
Maria
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But it says to avoid intoxicants, not specifically "alcohol". "Alcohol" is a very, very, very broad term and most "alcohol" in things isn't ethanol, the ingestible non-toxic stuff. Good thing, I guess, that God's knowledge extends ever so slightly further than some dubious 9th century scholars.
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But it says to avoid intoxicants, not specifically "alcohol". "Alcohol" is a very, very, very broad term and most "alcohol" in things isn't ethanol, the ingestible non-toxic stuff. Good thing, I guess, that God's knowledge extends ever so slightly further than some dubious 9th century scholars.
I am sorry to intrude but I thought that intoxicant does not only imply poison/toxic. "Intoxicant" is any substance which is capable of intoxicating somebody and "Intoxicate" in itself, in addition to meaning poision, also means to excite/stupefy to a point where physical and mental control goes awry. Now as you said, we are told to avoid intoxicants (590 - 91) and by definition all substances which are intoxicants in light of the definition above are to be avoided, a definition which encompasses alcohol as well because of its capability to intoxicate.
Peace
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I am sorry to intrude but I thought that intoxicant does not only imply poison/toxic. "Intoxicant" is any substance which is capable of intoxicating somebody and "Intoxicate" in itself, in addition to meaning poision, also means to excite/stupefy to a point where physical and mental control goes awry. Now as you said, we are told to avoid intoxicants (590 - 91) and by definition all substances which are intoxicants in light of the definition above are to be avoided, a definition which encompasses alcohol as well because of its capability to intoxicate.
Peace
I don't know the specific meaning of "khamr" but from what I understand it indicates general obscurity, or covering/veiling, and in the case of humans, obscuring the outside world, i.e. as you said, "also means to excite/stupefy to a point where physical and mental control goes awry".
The point is that traditionalists see "alcohol" on a label and it could be one of the other thousands of alcohols, but it is instantly "haram", to them, to their families and anyone such else. One hadeeth describes the prophet commending/ordering a group of people who beat/to beat a drunkard with sandals. Is that really the conduct of a messenger? I think not.
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Brother OPF,
I do not condone anybody saying Alcohol, or (interest, for that matter) is "Haram". Because none of the terms have been proclaimed Haram in the Quran. But my point of view arises from how it is emphasized in the Book.
590 - "... so avoid it, so you may be successful."
591 - "... so will you not desist?"
First the advice by Him, our Lord, then a rhetorical question. We all know well what importance a rhetorical question has in the Quran. e.g.
456 - "...Then in what narration (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe?"
So, in my book, if we don't hold Hadith in good stead, so why should intoxicants be any different? So, in short, if anyone asked me about alcohol, I would say that since it is an intoxicant (simply because of its capability to intoxicate), avoid it and/or desist, as it is our Lord's advise, who is the best of guides. I don't think that a believer would need any other reason afterwards. As for non-believers, it is their prerogative.
Please understand that I am not supporting hadith in my assertions, just drawing a comparison to avoid any double standards.
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But it says to avoid intoxicants, not specifically "alcohol"
Yes, but alcohol is an intoxicant.
If I follow this reasoning in Quran there is no specific verse stating exactly "khamr is haram", therefore let's apply it to other things such as killing, shirk, oppression, fornication, stealing, lies, etc in Quran, I don't see any verse explicitly stating "killing is haram" but I can see the same verb "hurima" (made haram) used for ithm that describes khamr, used for shirk, fornication, killing etc., so if I follow again this reasoning, we can give ourselves the green light to kill, lie, fornicate etc. and say after all "there is no verse that calls it "killing" haram"
Now in Quran, we are told in verse 733 that "hurima" (made haram) any "ithm". And in verse 2219 , we are told there is "ithm kabeer" (BIG ithm) in khamr. So what would be the logical conclusion?
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Yes, but alcohol is an intoxicant.
We are on completely different pages here.
Which alcohol, out of the thousands or more potential hydrocarbons? Does ethanoic acid count, or anything else containing the OH group?
If I follow this reasoning in Quran there is no specific verse stating exactly "khamr is haram", therefore let's apply it to other things such as killing, shirk, oppression, fornication, stealing, lies, etc in Quran, I don't see any verse explicitly stating "killing is haram" but I can see the same verb "hurima" (made haram) used for ithm that describes khamr, used for shirk, fornication, killing etc., so if I follow again this reasoning, we can give ourselves the green light to kill, lie, fornicate etc. and say after all "there is no verse that calls it "killing" haram"
There is a lack of willingness to apply deductive reasoning for everything in this quote, instead, the author selectively chose to apply it only to the item of their choice. Killing is forbidden in 429, 1731-36, and a few other verses. Just because, as they say, it is nor labelled with a meaningless label of "haram", doesn't mean the quran does not forbid it.
In reality, all of these things are forbidden and no amount of "Islamic Reform" will change that, because, they are fundamental parts of reality. Particularly the prohibition of interest.
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the author selectively chose to apply it only to the item of their choice. Killing is forbidden in 429, 1731-36, and a few other verses.
Yes, but the author's point was it didn't use the magic words 'haram' for killing and many other vile things. Which is an argument constantly used for intoxicants.
Just because, as they say, it is nor labeled with a meaningless label of "haram", doesn't mean the quran does not forbid it.
That was the author's point.
Which alcohol, out of the thousands or more potential hydrocarbons? Does ethanoic acid count, or anything else containing the OH group?
I am referring to alcoholic drinks.
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Yes, but the author's point was it didn't use the magic words 'haram' for killing and many other vile things. Which is an argument constantly used for intoxicants.
That was the author's point.
I am referring to alcoholic drinks.
Use your common sense.
Where in the quran is it described that there is a benefit in murder? Zina? Theft?
Yet we are told there is benefit in intoxicants. But, they hinder the rememberance of God, and they are compared to gambling, and in general, alcohol and gambling are associated because they have many things in common (their addicts, that is ;D).
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Use your common sense.
Where in the quran is it described that there is a benefit in murder? Zina? Theft?
Yet we are told there is benefit in intoxicants. But, they hinder the rememberance of God, and they are compared to gambling, and in general, alcohol and gambling are associated because they have many things in common (their addicts, that is ;D).
Brother OPF,
When I read 2219, I see wisdom in that verse. We are being told the nature of intoxicants and gambling (Note that both these activities are in the same basket, i.e. they have the same nature, everywhere in the Book, not compared to one another). What I fail to grasp is how one can interpret "in them (intoxicants and gambling) is great sin and some benefits" as "most of them have great sin but some of them are beneficial". Rather if I pick up one intoxicant/form of gambling and ask you about it, would you say that this is wholly beneficial/wholly harmful or would you say in it is great sin and some benefits? Which one would be more in line with the Book? If you pick the latter, then 590 & 591 come into effect, don't they? Because we need to consider all the verses pertaining to intoxicants and gambling, not just 2219, in order to arrive at the final conclusion regarding them, i.e. including 590 & 591. But, if you pick the former, we also need to find out which forms of gambling are wholly beneficial since there must be some if they are the same in nature as the intoxicants, right?
In reality, all of these things are forbidden and no amount of "Islamic Reform" will change that, because, they are fundamental parts of reality. Particularly the prohibition of interest.
Interest... how do you deduce that it is prohibited? Any input would be welcome on this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12997.msg152484#msg152484
Peace
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Where in the quran is it described that there is a benefit in murder? Zina? Theft?
Yet we are told there is benefit in intoxicants. But, they hinder the rememberance of God, and they are compared to gambling, and in general, alcohol and gambling are associated because they have many things in common (their addicts, that is ;D).
This is a good point. The word "haraam" is not a definitive word either. Swine, dead animals and blood are told to be haram, yet at the end of the verse God says if you were obliged or in need without being transgressing, there is no harm in eating them. It is the exception that matters, otherwise it is haram. Same with khamr. Other than medicinial benefits, there are situations where you need to take it, as in severe cold, or if in case of thirst and no other alternative is available...etc. Otherwise it is to be avoided.
It is worth noting that what is mentioned in the Straight Path (including zina, dishonesty and murder) there is no if's or but's. You can't even imagine a situation where you have no choice other than to kill an innocent soul, cheat in trade, give false testimony and incriminate an innocent soul, engage in public sex...etc.
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You can't even imagine a situation where you have no choice other than to kill an innocent soul, cheat in trade, give false testimony and incriminate an innocent soul, engage in public sex...etc.
I won't bear ti imagine it, but I think you can imagine those situations, take for instance pwople who are forced into prostitution under coercion and blackamail, in fact all of those things you mention are possible, and I won't go into it because in fact I can't bear the thought. But it would be a choice beyond human endurance.
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I won't bear ti imagine it, but I think you can imagine those situations, take for instance pwople who are forced into prostitution under coercion and blackamail, in fact all of those things you mention are possible, and I won't go into it because in fact I can't bear the thought. But it would be a choice beyond human endurance.
Prostitution is not zina. How would you be forced into public sex?
How would you be forced to kill someone?