POLYGAMY NOT THERE IN QURAN?
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Salaams farida,
My apologies. I mean SOME women, just as I had some men.
As Salaamu Alaikum, angel
Salaam IMQ
Generilization against women again?
Best regards
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His wives were our mothers. If you would be like him, your wife would already be a mother of the believers, thus the mother of your -to-be second wife = haraam.
This statement is as about ridiculous as it gets. Not surprising considering the source. nope
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I have to congratulate the initiator of this thread, because he obviously wanted to convince people that Qur'an doesn't condone poligamy (technically poligyny). He has some arguments for that, but they are nothing compared to the help he has received from brother IQO. Anybody who after reading him still supports poligamy deserves a monument to uninfluenciability.
As the Portuguese saying goes God writes straight with twisted lines.
Brother Brook, I congratulate you on the best helper you could dream of.
Salaam
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You sir, have some mental problems. hypno Mostly of the comprehesion kind. &
I have to congratulate the initiator of this thread, because he obviously wanted to convince people that Qur'an doesn't condone poligamy (technically poligyny). He has some arguments for that, but they are nothing compared to the help he has received from brother IQO. Anybody who after reading him still supports poligamy deserves a monument to uninfluenciability.
As the Portuguese saying goes God writes straight with twisted lines.
Brother Brook, I congratulate you on the best helper you could dream of.
Salaam
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Hmmmm quite the story about A, B and C.... the resulting thread of comments were equally as interesting...
Seems like the man is getting picked on here in this thread, I may remind those reading this past little lick, that it
is not only men that fall in love outside of the marriage.I also would like to remind those reading the thread to examine thier own reactions to the story, and
see if they would be the same if it was the woman who was the one falling in love outside the marriage...Then I want you to be extrordinary honest with yourselves and ask yourselves if any of you have had
feelings for someone else outside your primary relationship, and if the truth was known about how you
felt would you still be reacting the same way about the story above...My point is this, deep down every single one of us, male and female have sexual instincts that
are at odds with how we judge others who act upon them, yet we ourselves think about others
outside our primary relationships in ways that only God can Judge us properly..Therefore I suggest to you that all the verses in the Quran that describe the punishments
for adultery are ones that God Himself executes upon the guilty, and we have no right
whatsoever to exercise civil action against anyone that is acting upon thier own sexual
instincts...As far as the title of this thread goes, I believe that God is much more forgiving of
those who act upon thier sexual instincts than we are, and is about teaching us
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His wives were our mothers. If you would be like him, your wife would already be a mother of the believers, thus the mother of your -to-be second wife = haraam.
rotfl rotfl bravo
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Hmmmm quite the story about A, B and C.... the resulting thread of comments were equally as interesting...
Seems like the man is getting picked on here in this thread, I may remind those reading this past little lick, that it
is not only men that fall in love outside of the marriage.I also would like to remind those reading the thread to examine thier own reactions to the story, and
see if they would be the same if it was the woman who was the one falling in love outside the marriage...Then I want you to be extrordinary honest with yourselves and ask yourselves if any of you have had
feelings for someone else outside your primary relationship, and if the truth was known about how you
felt would you still be reacting the same way about the story above...My point is this, deep down every single one of us, male and female have sexual instincts that
are at odds with how we judge others who act upon them, yet we ourselves think about others
outside our primary relationships in ways that only God can Judge us properly..Therefore I suggest to you that all the verses in the Quran that describe the punishments
for adultery are ones that God Himself executes upon the guilty, and we have no right
whatsoever to exercise civil action against anyone that is acting upon thier own sexual
instincts...As far as the title of this thread goes, I believe that God is much more forgiving of
those who act upon thier sexual instincts than we are, and is about teaching us
how to live with ourselves and others who do so...Salaam,
Samia too questioned earlier if it was B who had fallen in love with another man and I don?t see anything strange in that. Married Muslim women do fall in love with other men too, but the complicated Islamic laws gives responsibility of the children to the father, which in turn saves families from breaking down. Once parents give birth to their children they should not see themselves as individuals first, but as parents ready to makes sacrifices.
The story of A, B and C is true and only reluctantly did I share it, as it?s not nice to discuss other peoples misfortunes, but the fact remains, these incidents happen. In this case C could look after herself financially, but here the war was between two women; one who wanted to snatch away the other woman?s husband and separate the father from his children. The man was weak and did not think of how his actions would later affect his children. Asking him to sacrifice his love for C was too much to expect from this modern man.
However A being Muslim he was not required to abandon his first wife and family, to have another. He only needed to be firm with his second, ?intelligent and beautiful? love and tell her that he does not have to leave his children or his first wife, as he is allowed to take C as second wife. In this case I am 100% sure that C would have soon disappeared from his life, just the way she did later.
Life is strange just when you think you know all about life it surprises you. To me polygyny is more of a deterrent than a license to having multiple wives hmm 'till I learn more about life
Therefore I would say that man should be picked on, as he has been given greater responsibility to act ?like a man? and I agree with you that we are not to point finger at any one especially a woman, for whom there is the requirement of four witnesses.
Best regards
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Salaam Farida
So you think that if A was firm and told C he did not have to have either B or C this would have deterred her and so the problem would have been resolved? What if it did not deterr her? I also know of a true story, same elements. A and B had a love marriage and two daughters, C came into the picture, an intelligent beautiful woman. (I think it was the "beautiful" factor that attracted the husband, since B was also an intelligent working woman). B did not want to break up the marriage, nor did C But who asked the daughters? It was them who boycotted their father without being disrespectful. They just turned cold and stopped sharing their life with him. He was almost crazy 'cause he did not do any calculations for that. He divorced his new love, but for the girls it was too late. B sided her daughters who lost their father to the second wife and did not accept him back. The man is living like a stranger in his own house. Either this or he leaves and starts anew. He became like the person God advises us not be like, "And be not like the one who undoes the threads which she has spun, after it has become strong, by taking your oaths as a means of deception among yourselves..." 1692.
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What influence did the mother have in the daughters mind to lose thier dad?
Absolutely zero influence. I think they were protesting for their own sake.
The story continues on. C met another married man. His wife called her on the phone to confirm to her that she welcomed her husband marriage to her. I had a firy discussion with C trying to stop her, and that the wife's acceptance does not guarantee the kids'. A and C got married. A's son (a university student) had a psychological break down, kept coming to his dad's office everyday, shouting and crying. One month later, the father divorced C. -
I seen and lived thru similar experiencs with children. One of the things I have learned is that they need to come first in any relationship. Cause if they are not happy, then the marriage will fail. On the other hand staying together for the sake of the children can be equally as damaging to the children, maybe more so, in cases of verbal and physical abuse.
I am a firm believer that we should not live our lives for our children either, it is unfair to ourselves and our children, they need to learn
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I think there is a question of will and determination here. If you marry there must be a determination and firm will that no matter what, you are not free to marry, since you are already married. You may be free to unmarry if in fact the marriage, by itself is damaging those involved, foremost the children, because they are the parents responsibility. They are unswerable for them. And if they are children or adolescents, it is preposterous to come and say that the parents also have rights. The fact that the parents have rights doesn't make children or adolescents less vulnerable to the inconsistencies of their parents, who married forever and may want to marry forever one more time. And the unforeverness may come from the impossibility of upholding a rotten relationship, but there is no justification for termination because you have just discovered a much better relationship. Following that course there would be no marriage which could hold. There are always much better "offers". And the falling in love thing is about the oldest trick in the book. The question is that many of us go through stories of unrequited love when we are unmarried and survive without disrupting our bachelorhood, however we may suffer, but once we marry then we canot survive un unrequited love? Or we say to ourselves that why should we?
I won't answer for everybody, but from what I see it is that we simply manage to convince ourselves that in fact it is better for everybody if we just live our love and stay friends. Of course that is the last error. The first one is to allow oneself to "fall in love" when one knows perfectly well that one does not have the right to fall in love except with one's spouse. And, come on, it is not as if we were in a lonely island with just a stranger man or woman and no way out of it.So there are several things
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There aren't enough men to go around for every woman. In that case, let us have statistics and find out what would people prefer or find themselves capable of as a solution.
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In fact there are enough men to go around, but still these problems crop up. For this there is no solution except keep one's word and stick to the pacts one makes. The rest is plain failure, which of course is human, but there is no need to give it another name. We certainly have to live with failure, repent if we are capable, forgive if we are capable and and carry on anyway we can, and try always to do our best. May be when we are old we may have learnt something and be capable of more repentance and more forgiveness, God loves people who repent and people who forgive.
Salaam
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Salaams Samia,
At least we know your story now and why you react with reckless illogical conclusions by stretching meanings and ignoring others. May Allah give you peace for the heartache you have endured in your married/unmarried life.
Salaams
Salaam Farida
So you think that if A was firm and told C he did not have to have either B or C this would have deterred her and so the problem would have been resolved? What if it did not deterr her? I also know of a true story, same elements. A and B had a love marriage and two daughters, C came into the picture, an intelligent beautiful woman. (I think it was the "beautiful" factor that attracted the husband, since B was also an intelligent working woman). B did not want to break up the marriage, nor did C But who asked the daughters? It was them who boycotted their father without being disrespectful. They just turned cold and stopped sharing their life with him. He was almost crazy 'cause he did not do any calculations for that. He divorced his new love, but for the girls it was too late. B sided her daughters who lost their father to the second wife and did not accept him back. The man is living like a stranger in his own house. Either this or he leaves and starts anew. He became like the person God advises us not be like, "And be not like the one who undoes the threads which she has spun, after it has become strong, by taking your oaths as a means of deception among yourselves..." 1692.
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Absolutely zero influence. I think they were protesting for their own sake.
The story continues on. C met another married man. His wife called her on the phone to confirm to her that she welcomed her husband marriage to her. I had a firy discussion with C trying to stop her, and that the wife's acceptance does not guarantee the kids'. A and C got married. A's son (a university student) had a psychological break down, kept coming to his dad's office everyday, shouting and crying. One month later, the father divorced C.Sounds like "B" is deluding herself again if she feels she had ZERO influence on her daughters. As is also evident here
. B sided her daughters who lost their father to the second wife and did not accept him back. The man is living like a stranger in his own house. Either this or he leaves and starts anew.
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Salaams Samia,
At least we know your story now and why you react with reckless illogical conclusions by stretching meanings and ignoring others. May Allah give you peace for the heartache you have endured in your married/unmarried life.
Salaams
Is this post in agreement with the forum rules? I find it disgusting, repulsive and inadmissible.
Samia is a respected person and moderator, it is indeed very gallant of her to let some leeway in things where she is personally mentioned, but it is no good for other forum members who may feel at the same time bound by the rules and gagged in the face of attacks of this kind.
I humbly request that action be taken against this personal attack and that no personal unrequested mentions of this kind stay posted in the forum.
This otherpeoplesbusinessminding (not to speak of other even more disgusting things) is precisely something the the qur'an tells conclusively not to do.
Salaam
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I don't find praying for someone to receive peace from Allah as offensive. People who post their personal information on here should expect it to be responded to. But sounds like you have some similar problems in your life. May Allah send you peace and reconciliation with your mind as well, you seem to need it. pr
And stop begging others to fight for you! jedi I find that disgusting, repulsive and inadmissible. elektro
Is this post in agreement with the forum rules? I find it disgusting, repulsive and inadmissible.
Samia is a respected person and moderator, it is indeed very gallant of her to let some leeway in things where she is personally mentioned, but it is no good for other forum members who may feel at the same time bound by the rules and gagged in the face of attacks of this kind.
I humbly request that action be taken against this personal attack and that no personal unrequested mentions of this kind stay posted in the forum.
This otherpeoplesbusinessminding (not to speak of other even more disgusting things) is precisely something the the qur'an tells conclusively not to do.
Salaam
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Salaam huruf
I appreciate your concern, but don't worry. I am not offended. IQO hardly understands anything, and this is something I know from conversing with him on this forum. In fact I do not know how he concluded that this story concerns me in anyway more than I know B. I was telling a story anological to that told by Farida. Did he or anyone else conclude that it was Farida's personal story? Blame it on the (Samiaphobia syndrome).
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Blame huruf's concern on ImamQuranOnlyphobia syndrome. O0 yes voodoo
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Salaam huruf
I appreciate your concern, but don't worry. I am not offended. IQO hardly understands anything, and this is something I know from conversing with him on this forum. In fact I do not know how he concluded that this story concerns me in anyway more than I know B. I was telling a story anological to that told by Farida. Did he or anyone else conclude that it was Farida's personal story? Blame it on the (Samiaphobia syndrome).
I only noticed that you said you had a conversation with 'C', from that I knew it was a close relationship....