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welcome
Just because some people see the difference between God's systems and rumors and hearsay, and true peace and unity versus political agendas and man made conjecture doesn't mean everyone else can! It takes years for people to open their eyes and realise that all prophets preached the same thing and that religion is only one, Submission.
At the end of the day, there is only one God to worship, with no human names or angels to be mentioned beside him, and we are all hybrids here and all believe in mixtures of different things. Some stop at a consensus. Others keep searching and searching and searching and seeking more knowledge. At least we are open-minded about things and admit what we believe and dont believe in. We have the right to take things, and reject others. Unlike Sectarians who have a set system of things that they must follow whether they truly believe in it from their hearts or not.
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Peace Bob
I feel I've been around, on this site now, long enough to wish you a hearty welcome. It especially gladdens my heart when a Jew sees the light, as I view Jews as our special brothers among the people of the book. True they have fought and are fighting Muslims, but they have also been our indispensable allies, especially in Al Andalus which could not have been taken with such minimal amount of bloodshed but for the Jews fighting alongside the Muslims and opening the gates to major cities.
I hope your experience here will be a plasant one. welcome
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Thank you brothers and sisters for your sincere welcomes and replies. Today is 3 weeks that I accepted Submission fully into my heart. I thank God I have been guided. It is a peaceful and wonderful feeling. Feel free to contact me. I appreciate those who have already and the new friends I am making.
Peace
Bob
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Are these the 2 verses you believe are false? Please explain why? I am not Muslim but of all the ones to believe are false, I just don't understand.
There hath come unto you a messenger, (one) of yourselves, unto whom aught that ye are overburdened is grievous, full of concern for you, for the believers full of pity, merciful.
Now, if they turn away (O Muhammad) say Allah sufficeth me. There is no God save Him. In Him have I put my trust, and He is Lord of the Tremendous Throne.
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Peace everyone,
I also don't get the false verse claim. I'd really like to know more about it. Anyone direct me to where i can find out? There doesn't seem anything sus with those verses at all. Claiming that the quran contains false verses doesn't this contradict ALLAH when he says that the quran is divinely protected?
Yeah and welcome Bob... welcome Really enjoyed ur testimony.
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Dear Brother Bob Welcome
In same day I was banned about same time you registered and praise be to God that nothing is coincidence.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16279.msg161451#msg161451
I did not have chance to say welcome to
Your first post shows how Miracle cause such confidence that after 25 years regenerates such confidence that you will leave this illusion with it.
I believe in you as you have understood it completely as you have searched, study and examine it for correctness.
When you sent me your data verification for ANM plus . it was exactly what I was looking .
There was minor difficulty corrected and your excel work is published in separate sheets but accusable from any where.
It may need some correct if has happened during transferring data.
Your verification is added to this site relate to clip.Peace.
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Peace Bahman,
What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.
Isn't anasheed a form of singing, don't they use the daff instrument? Isn't that music? I think when one uses music to distract themself and let's it control their emotions and the way they act that's when it goes extreme.
I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.
Salam.
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Sarah ~
salam. i like music, too. i see no reason from the Quran why it should be haram. so long as the theme is not hateful, obscene, such things, i'm ok with it.
i like the Avett Brothers, Bruce Springsteen, and nasheeds, too. i also come from a musical family- music is a gift from God, and we should use music in the right way.
peace
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Peace Sarah
Presence of ?ibelieve19? in this forum could be an excuse for me to be active here again.
I am happy to see young generation like you spending your time on line for searching truth and fact.What about music? I don't mind some music. I mainly only listen to music when I exercise, I don't think its haram. Though music with foul course language or even with sexual reference in my opinion wouldn?t be halal.
I think here is some misunderstanding resulted such response.
When you wrote?Wow, how awesome ?
I was not sure is that a encouraging or is mocking. Because in this forum there many mockers that when they do not have enough reasonable response then they mock.
If that is encouraging then please accept my apology, thank you sister and God Bless you.
But in case of mocking then I had to do a little search of your other post you have responded I found this
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16251.msg166155#msg166155
Defending prophet and trying to fix fabricated fair tale stories as history and traditions written ( Hadith) 200 years after prophet by people like Boukharaie far away from prophet place and none Arabic then I got such vision that you are Sunni or Shia which are not allowed to listen to music or have picture at their home.
My response to people that blindly referring to Hadith to reject Quran is that
Now we have Clear proof that Quran is authore by God Alone and is the ONLY source to be a Muslim ( submitter) 319 .
What Mohammed did in his private life right or wrong could be buried with him. He was enough honest and trustworthy that God reveal his complete, detailed scripture which confirms all previous scriptures.
The messages are designed for different time and location up to end of this world. Some belongs to past, some matches our era time and some are for future.I listen to music too and like those that words have good meaning and rhythm is relaxing. The music in background of clip is copied from this clip.
http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz59BwDie08
Music is like drug can be used to give relaxation to sicks as medication or can cause hyper ness and even violence same a knife in hand of a surgeon or in hand of a criminal.
I follow things I have learnt from my parents and things I have learnt through experience. My parent's aren't against music so if that?s what you?re trying to allude to? I have my own views of life but I can?t openly express it all to them. I could, though it would cause trouble so I hold back. I?m not sure how this relates to the verse you have posted.
Radical Mohammedans are against music and I am not sure what is your standing .
I thought my be you are one of those people that before examine what is offered they reject it and may music cause they do not watch the clip carefully.
That page takes you verses that are linked to file why Hadith is not right.
I apologize again if I have been wrong about you and ask for forgiveness from God Alone.
But finally may this could be an start knowing each other better.
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Peace.
music is a gift from God,
You are right sister.
Psalm is singing and music which God clearly =]authored in Quran several times was given to David and here it says clearly Psalm AND the enlightening scripture
If they reject you, messengers before you have been rejected, even though they brought proofs, the Psalms, and the enlightening scripture.
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Asalamu alaikum
Just to clarify I wasn?t mocking.
The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?. Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated. Anyway.
The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable. Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good. I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
Ok the Quran is the clear proof, but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community. I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good. Not all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.
No apology needed
Take care
Peace.
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Peace,
Respectfully.welcome to the forum brother and i hop you make lots of friends here, God willing.
Keep reading the Qur'an and also pay special attention to the verse in the Qur'an (sorry, i forgot which verse in which chapter) where God The Most Wise, tells us this"No falsehood can enter it in the past nor in the future."Also"Today i have perfected your religion." Today, obviously means back then.
May Allah SWT bless you and i wish you all the luck, brother.
Welcome to the forum and keep researching.Peace.
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Peace
The link you posted as you can see stated ?from a traditional perspective?.
You mean this link ?
http//creatorsignature.com/
I would appreciate pin point ?from a traditional perspective?.Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response I was just frustrated.
Where you frustrated from site content. ? or something else. ?
Anyway. The truth, I don?t know the truth. I don?t know the names of the people he married I don?t know anything all I know is what I?m told in the Quran and from sources that aren?t necessarily reputable.
Who married?Though personally such things to me aren?t important, my life doesn?t revolve around how somebody else lived, but he is a prominent figure so I believe it?s important to take the good.
Are you talking about prophet Muhammad ?
I still believe that there definitely may be lots of truths in them and lots of falsehood too, in hadith that is.
Hmm yes you are talking about fabrication about prophet life style SUNNAH and Hadith that Khomainie added 40 more.
When we have a fresh baked bread why use the old and moldy one?People don?t blindly follow hadith to reject the Quran, they read hadith to try and verify the meaning of the Quran.
So God was wrong when authored several times
http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php?&indata=made+easy&t
or wheb indicated to prphet
Do not move your tongue to hasten it. It is we who will collect it into Quran. Once we recite it, you shall follow such a Quran., Then it is we who will explain it.
PIAD servants of ruling systems has established schools and teaching centers as done in previouse corupted religions to teach Quran as they like it in binifit of kings and rulers and when is not there change the meaning or Write hadith brain wash children from chilhood and fool mass naive nations to be as slave for FAT clergies and scholars send them to the front to kill each other by name of Allah and Quran!!!!!!!!!!
They are replacing God. ???Ok the Quran is the clear proof,
Did you understand the proof or only just by passing this stage and accept it blindly? 1736. 1039,
but what I find is people interpret things to their own wishes and whims. They make meanings from a verse which I necessarily don?t agree with, and that?s what turns me off this sort of community.
I agree with you for meaning. The best translation done is Rashad?s and may it have some deficiency which I usually in case of difficulty refer to my Farsi Rhymed .
Would you please tell me if you see anything wrong in this translationMuhammad was no more than a messenger like the messengers before him. Should he die or get killed, would you turn back on your heels? Anyone who turns back on his heels, does not hurt GOD in the least. GOD rewards those who are appreciative 3144
My understanding human is fallible but words of God is infallible.
I find it too lenient in ways and portray the community as frail. It?s kinda like the general traditional Muslim, if they don?t hear the answer they want they argue and argue until someone agrees with them then they don?t feel so guilty pursuing their decisions. Or with traditionalist they just wait for some fatwa or some sheikh to agree with them. I know I?m generalizing but I see it a lot and it?s off putting.
I agree with you for such situation which is their hobbit in past and links to their learning prior to be a God Alone and some of Quran Alone too. Like those that converted to Islam from other religions and brought their habits and tradition into Islam by Hadith.
If music has a bad effect on people or totally distracts them on worship then I wouldn?t promote it, nor say it?s good.
When soldiers go to front to kill another human is by military music and medias play march music.
Music can be used for killing human or give love and peace like this.
http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cI6aTxrOeqINot all drugs are good, when addiction happens that?s a worry. Like I said before I don?t think music is bad, it?s when you use it for the wrong reasons or listen to the wrong thing when it?s not right.
I agree
No apology needed
Thank you
Peace.
