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Book: Modern Muslim Intellectuals and The Quran

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    adjwi
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    Peace,

    I think you have misunderstood Edip's post.
    Please read it again, along with the previous posts of the topic.

    Peace

    I was wrong, I'm sorry for that Edip, thanks JM.

    adjwi

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      burhan
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      Your innuendo is a good one. However, there is categorical difference between the following methodologies

      Relax bro, no innendo, I wasn't taking a pot shot at your new translation. My point was that any methodology is only as good as the person using it.
      In order to prove your point you have given the best case scenario for 1. and worst case for 2.

      Any approach that breaks free the Quran from a particular time-zone is a good one. Besides most of the Quran is about the praising God and accepting he is one.
      Very little is about telling us what to do, but rather encouraging us to do what is we naturally know to be right. A reminder and a strength giver is what the Quran is to me.

      Inshallah, I will post something on FR in due course.

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        Wakas
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        Peace Brother,

        Thanks for keeping us posted. I received this book yesterday, ordering it right after you recommended it, from bookdepository.co.uk. Can't wait to read it!

        Nadeem

        Just wanted to clarify. Saying I have been reading a book, does not mean I recommended it. I forgot to say that earlier. Wish I did now, as I've been reading the rest of this book and it's quite poor. I would say why, but the reviews on amazon.com have plenty of info.

        Once I'm finished it I will summarise.

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          nadeem
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          Peace Wakas,

          I'm sorry for the assumption. I must say now, that the book has fallen considerably on my list of books to read next, but in time, I'll get to it. Inshallah.

          I haven't read the reviews on Amazon in detail, but every reviewer has given it a five out five.

          Nadeem

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            arnoldyasin
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            Peace,

            I would recommend it just for the part on Dr.Mohammed Shahrour as his theories are the most interesting ones.

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              nadeem
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              Thanks Yasin... it has now moved up a few places on the list... -)

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                arnoldyasin
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                I also recommend

                http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OBXnHF6TL.SS500.jpg

                Defenders of Reason In Islam Mu'tazilism and Rational Theology from Medieval School to Modern Symbol (Paperback)

                And

                http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WCA6ADGCL.BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                Faith and Reason in Islam Averroes' Exposition of Religious Arguments (Great Islamic Writings) (Paperback)

                And

                http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415RYX7JB5L.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                Liberal Islam A Sourcebook (Paperback)

                And if you like to share more bookideas I recommend to join me at

                http//www.shelfari.com/ArnoldYasinMol

                It is a very handy booksite where you can make a handy list of favorites, wishlist and so on.

                I have also formed a little discussion group there with Maxq and Edip and Samia.

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                  arnoldyasin
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                  Also

                  http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41V1TyPRmZL.AA240.jpg

                  Islam Past, Present and Future (Hardcover)

                  It is a very good book on Islam, the different theories, ideas and tries to understand early Islam more as a system that was later formed into a religion. Hans Kung was the main advisor on Islam for the Roman Catholic church but was kicked out, or rather being degraded, because he acknowledged the Quran being from God and that the Trinity was a man-made doctrine. He says the Quran presents the correct picture of the early Christians.

                  It has everything from A-Z on Islam.

                  Kung's words

                  "There will be no peace among the nations without peace among the religions. There will be no peace among the religions without dialogue among the religions." - K?ng speaking on global ethic

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                    arnoldyasin
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                    http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41R1RKBV0RL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                    The Origins and Evolution of Islamic Law (Themes in Islamic Law) (Paperback)

                    very good also

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                      nadeem
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                      Peace Arnold.

                      Thanks for the tips. I have bookmarked this thread now -)

                      Nadeem

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                        arnoldyasin
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                        ooohhh...bookmark hah?

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51oASWo3qaL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                        What the Koran Really Says Language, Text, and Commentary (Hardcover)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CG72089AL.AA240.jpg

                        Pioneers of Islamic Revival Second Edition (Studies in Islamic Society) (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AHF0RD72L.AA240.jpg

                        Evolution and/or Creation An Islamic Perspective (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51R15VR3QVL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                        The Miracles of Exodus A Scientist's Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nBo2lAvGL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                        God's Caliph Religious Authority in the First Centuries of Islam (University of Cambridge Oriental Publications) (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fJYjhg7-L.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                        Introduction to the Qur'an (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IG5w31G9L.AA240.jpg

                        Science and the Akashic Field An Integral Theory of Everything (Paperback)

                        http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pYyeCctIL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                        Cosmic Jackpot Why Our Universe Is Just Right for Life (Hardcover)

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                          arnoldyasin
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                          http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GHDTXD6KL.AA240.jpg

                          The Quran Unchallengeable Miracle (Paperback)

                          http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31P5F9VX55L.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

                          History of Islamic Philosophy (Routledge History of World Philosophies)

                          http//ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41X0YTCWS8L.AA240.jpg

                          Muslim Conspiracies Against the Quaran (Paperback)

                          http//quraniceducationandresearch.com/

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                            arnoldyasin
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                            easier to check my favorites list

                            http//www.shelfari.com/ArnoldYasinMol/shelf#firstBook=0&list=1&sort=dateadded

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                              Jack
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                              Thanks for that Arnold.

                              Wakas, you need to create a list too man.

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                                Wakas
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                                peace,

                                Nadeem, personally, I would be suspicious of the amazon.com ratings, especially if there are so few. I primarily meant the content of the reviews, in which they discuss what each "modern muslim intellectual" is saying.

                                I am nearly 2/3 through, so I have covered the following parts

                                Nurcholish Madjid - religious pluralism and tolerance.
                                He basically outlines the arguments for the above, but anyone who is familiar with AQ will know this anyway.

                                Amina Wadud - women rereading sacred texts.
                                Again, anyone who is familiar with AQ and has access to the internet can read up on the issues she brings up (434 and beat, two women witness for one man, women's share of inheritance, polygamy etc). It's good for those who have not come across these points before.

                                Mohammed Arkoun - towards a radical thinking of Islamic thought.
                                An extremely difficult read due to the unusual/archaic language used. Waste of time reading this part in my opinion.

                                Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd - from revelation to interpretation.
                                Basically outlines why a single interpretation of the message(s) in AQ cannot be considered binding and for all time. This was decent.

                                Arnold, one of the main reasons I bought the book was for the part on Shahrour, so hopefully that'll be good.

                                HMD, I dont read many books, and the ones I do I mention here, so a list wouldn't consist of much.

                                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Wow Arnold, your list of books is huge bro. Only 1/5 of the books in your homepage is actually more than what 5 "average joe's" read in their whole life. he he.

                                  And David thought he has read many books.

                                  I will share some of my favorite books here in free-minds too in the future by the way.

                                  Peace David

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                                    arnoldyasin
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                                    Hey Wakas, should we make a sticky list of "Recommended books on Islam, Universe and Quran"?

                                    The book thread has become a bit mixed with Harry Potter and so on. I think viewers would love to have a that is specialized in the above subjects.

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                                      Wakas
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                                      peace Arnold,

                                      I have created a "Recommended books on Quran/Islam & related topics" thread here and made it sticky

                                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16391.0

                                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                        javednama
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                                        Salaam to all,

                                        I would like to share a website www.tolueislam.com. It is about the late Pakistani Quranic scholar G.A. Parwez. He is author of more than 40 books and hundreds of articles. He mostly wrote in Urdu but a lot of his works has been translated in English. His only english work is " ISLAM A CHALLENGE TO RELIGION. " I have read a lot of scholars but NONE come close to his rational explanation of Quran and sound logic. plz give him a try.

                                        wa salaam

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                                          arnoldyasin
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                                          Salaam Javed,

                                          I know his work and also promote it here. His philosophical insight into the Quran and his cosmological view is unparalled in Islamic history.

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