11:119 reason for God creating us
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Peace all
Just wanted to know what you all thought of this verse. The first section of it that is
"Except whom your Lord has mercy upon; and for that he has created them."
What other meanings could be ascribed to the use of the word Rahm in this verse?Peace,
Respectfully.God knows best.
I would say that God has created us to worship Him and that He is THe Most Merciful and also that He is TRULY The Most Merciful and shows us every single day just how Merciful He is He is giving us so much every single second and yet most people won't be thankful.That's why we must be grateful to God and glorify Him all the time.
Glory be to our God.Peace.
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Salam. This verse "Except whom your Lord has mercy upon; and for that he has created them." relates to many statements made by Allah. The first implication is that this relates to the creation event. Usually the use of the term "except" indicates there is a prior statement of a "general rule" An examination of Hud at 11118 shows the following "And if your Lord had pleased, He would have made people a single nation. And they cease not to differ" My Lord could have if he wished, made all of us a single nation, a nation of Muslims, however, this would not have prevented people from differing.
Here is where the exception comes into play, the exception is those upon whom my Lord has mercy, and he has created them not to differ, this is his mercy.
These verses describe a hypothetical situation to assist us in understanding our Lord's actions and mercy. Let us suppose we ask our Lord "Oh Lord why did you go through all this, for if you wished you could have made us all Muslims at birth" Our Lord's answer is even if he had made all of us Muslims at birth we would still differ. An examination of the Muslim community shows this statement to be correct.
There is a mercy in the exception, our Lord is teaching us that when he has mercy on us we will cease differing. Inshallah Muslims will cease differing because they seek our Lord's mercy.
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God's mercy is also allowing us to live out our lives and doing what God knows what we are going to do anyway. He knows where we will end up on the Day of Reckoning. God says several times if were not for a preordained word...there would not be a single being on the face of the Earth. God could have easily showed Himself, resulting in the destruction of everything on Earth, resurrected it all as a new creation and sent us to Jannah or Jahannah. But we would say on that Day, but you didn't let me prove I was going to be a disbeliever? If I was given the chance, I would truly be among the guided! But we know as it says in the Qur'an even after they have disbelieved AFTER free choice to do whatever they want, they will say no guidance came, if it came directly to them they would be truly guided! but the disbelievers will make endless excuses, even when their lives were extended for time and they were provided with comforts and provisions to share with others on Earth, and given sharp senses, a wondrous brain and compassionate, strong hearts. There are some who are born limited and burdened, but God is the most Just of Judges, its up to Him. God is most merciful, he has allowed us to live out our lives and see the choices for ourselves, God says several times he truly created us for a purpose and not a playtime. He has allowed us to enjoy our lives for a while and to do what we see as the path for us, but there are times when God does intervene and destroy communities, to make examples out of them, but only after a messenger has been sent or warning, and it has been so for every community on the face of the Earth, so there will be no intercession with God on that grievous Day. God will be most just and merciful. And God truly knows where we deserve to go in the end.
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You forgot to comment on 3-135, so you can tell me what the arabic word "Znoob" Means.
Peace,
Dhunub means offenses, crimes or misdeeds. It is from Dhanaba which means to track, to add something or follow something. Adhnaba means to commit an offence, to fault. Dhanb is doing something that will create an evil result.
3135 And those who, if they do a vile deed (fahishah) or do wrong to themselves by misplacing (zalamu=to displace something, to do wrong, oppress), they call to mind Allah (Dzikr Allah=to remind Allah's Authority and commands) and they seek protection against their offenses (istaghfaru=they sought protection, ghafara=to protect as a helmet), and who can protect against the consequences (yaghfiru) of crimes (Dhunub) except Allah (through His system of compensation 11114) and do not persist (yusirru from sarra=to tie up, to be caught up in it) while they have the knowledge (hum/they ya-alamuna/know).
The verse is very clear, it describes how Tauba (=to realize a wrong path is taken and to return to the right way) works
- A person did a something wrong to society and thus themselves=fahishah and/or zalamu.
- They are reminded of what Allah has explained in the Quran and how every act has a consequence=Dzikr Allah. The Quran is called Dhikro in 1644.
- They seek protection against the consequences of their deeds=istaghfaru since no deed is left uncompensated 325.
- And Allah always during this life gives a person the ability to protect himself by compensating for the wrong that was done as explained in 11114 where the Al-Hassanat/Good deeds will remove the wrong deeds/As-Sayyi done.
- And they are protected as long as they keep on the right path and not persist in doing wrong=Yusirru
- As they have the knowledge of the wrongness of their behaviour since only people who have knowledge of the Divine laws are held responsible by Allah, see 6131.
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Because the covering was meant to protect it against, and the protection is activated by 11114, the compensation. Yeah sure you knew that
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And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night for those things that are good remove those that are evil be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord) (11-114)
So, any person needs to do enuogh Good in order to cover all his evil doings (Sins), in order to be forgiven by God? And thus, according to your opinion, there is no Forgivness by God.
If that is the Case, no one will Enter Heaven; no one can do enough Good to Cover his Sins.If that is your understanding (what you want), then you are rejecting God's Mercy and depending on your Good Deeds; GOOD LUCK!
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And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night for those things that are good remove those that are evil be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord) (11-114)
So, any person needs to do enuogh Good in order to cover all his evil doings (Sins), in order to be forgiven by God? And thus, according to your opinion, there is no Forgivness by God.
If that is the Case, no one will Enter Heaven; no one can do enough Good to Cover his Sins.If that is your understanding (what you want), then you are rejecting God's Mercy and depending on your Good Deeds; GOOD LUCK!
- He who does a good deed will receive ten times its worth; and he who does evil will be only requited to an equal degree of that evil; and no one will be wronged.
4146 Whoever does good to others, does good to his own self, and whoever causes imbalance in the lives of others, hurts his own self. Your Developer is never unjust to His servants.
2361-62 It is those who race with one another to improve the quality of life for humanity, and it is those who outstrip others in reward. We do not burden any human being with more than he or she is able to bear. And with Us is a Record that speaks the truth (about what you can and cannot do). And so, none shall be wronged.
996-8 On that Day will all people come forth as separate entities, to be shown their deeds. Then whoever has done an atom's weight of good, will see it. And whoever has done an atom's weight of evil, will see it.
It is always scary in the beginning when one is shown that all responsibility lays at their own feet. But God shows through the Qur'an how we can become Sabiqun, the ones that outstrip everyone else be doing good to others and reform society (salaha). God is not a tyrant king, but He is also not an unjust God, so every deed must have a consequence otherwise there would be no use for reward or recompense, no learning, no development through one own's works. It is part of growing up and accept full responsibility for all that you do. As long as you stay away from the major evils of oppression or hurting other people and do good to society then you do not need to worry.
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As long as you stay away from the major evils of oppression or hurting other people and do good to society then you do not need to worry.
I agree, but that is not what you stated before
- And Allah always during this life gives a person the ability to protect himself by compensating for the wrong that was done as explained in 11114 where the Al-Hassanat/Good deeds will remove the wrong deeds/As-Sayyi done.
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To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things. (2-284)That is what we ask for, His Forgiveness (and not depend on our Good Deeds)
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They said "our Lord! we have wronged our own souls if Thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy Mercy we shall certainly be lost." (11-23)(٦
He prayed "O my Lord! I have indeed wronged my soul! Do Thou then forgive me!" So (Allah) forgave him for He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (28-16) -
Peace,
I agree, but that is not what you stated before
I have always stated this in every single post. One must do good to society (salaha/hassanat), and if you do not commit any wrongs in society, then the path is easy for you. But if you have done wrong to society, then you must compensate your evil by doing extra good to society.
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To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things. (2-284)That is what we ask for, His Forgiveness (and not depend on our Good Deeds)
Your statement contradicts the Qur'an, it are our deeds which determine our judgement, otherwise why is there any reason for judgement? This makes God a tyrant deity who does what he wants as a dictator like Saddam.
The Qur'an says our deeds will give us the reward or punishment
2147 We will set up the scales of justice on the Day of Resurrection,
and no person will be wronged in the least. Though the good or evil be
of the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it forth. We are Sufficient
for reckoning and none can take account as We do.78 The scales on that Day will be truly equitable. Those whose
constructive deeds are heavy, will prosper.79 And those whose scales are light, will be the ones who have put
their own ?self? in loss. ...So although God can ofcourse do as He pleases He also will always keep His promises as He made above. So His Will in the Qur'an does not mean He would punish even though you deserve reward, nor will He reward you when you deserve punishment, His Will is expressed in the above verses, He will protect you against the consequences of your wrong deeds if you have done more good then bad, but He will punish you if you have done more bad then good.
I suggest you to first study the concept of God's Will (yasha) before presenting these kind of verses.
The root of the word MASHIYYAT is sh-y-?a. It is usually rendered as ?wishing, willing or desiring?. Some scholastic theologians do not distinguish it from IRAADA though they are said to be originally different. In the original language, al-mashiyyatu signifies ?the causing to be or exist?. IRAADA is more synonymous with TALAB (i.e. willing or desiring) while Mashiyyat is more synonymous with EEJAAD (causing to be or exist). The dictionaries of classical Arabic render mashiyyat in the following meanings
-causing to be
-causing to exist
-rendering
-necessitating
-making (something) happen, compelling or constraining
-betaking or having recourse to
-wishing, willing or desiring
The root of the word SHAY and Mashiyyat is same. A SHAY is
whatever is caused to be, whether sensibly, as material substances or ideally, as sayings OR anything that has been made to have a beings, whether an accident, an attribute, or a substance
From the above, it can be seen that IRADA denotes INTENTION (or conception of a thing in mind) while MASHIYYAT denotes CAUSATION. From time perspective, IRADA precedes MASHIYYAT. Before there is a SHAY, there is IRADA.
Although IRADA and MASHIYYAT can be used synonymously but there come some instances when a distinction between these two terms becomes very important and these must be rendered distinctly to avoid confusion.
The most important example of this is when these two terms are used in the Quran in relation to Allah, the Creator. At the stage of IRADA or intention or conception (before causation), Allah does whatever He intends. He defines rules, criteria and measures etc. He decrees how things ought to be. We do not know and cannot know why He defines rules, criteria and measures as they are and why he decrees things the way He decrees. He brings about whatever He intends {yaf?alo ma yureed} . He ordains or decrees whatever He intends
At this stage, when He intends a thing, , He says unto it Be! ? and it is . This is the stage when He decrees a matter or an affair . This has also been termed as His ?AMR? . At this stage, there is no CAUSATION and Allah brings about things without any CAUSE. This is the stage when LAW OF UNIVERSAL CAUSATION, itself, is decreed by Allah.
After the stage of ?INTENTION? or ?AMR? or ?IRADA?, the stage of ?CAUSATION? or ?MASHIYYAT? comes into effect. At this stage, everything happens according to WHAT ALLAH?S LAW OF UNIVERSAL CAUSATION NECESSITATES.
So when the phrase ?yaf?alo ma yureed? will be used for Allah, this will be rendered as ?He does or brings about whatever He intends? and when the phrase ?yaf?alo ma yshaa? will be used, it would be better rendered as, ?He does or brings about what His Law of Causation necessitates?. There is a subtle but very important difference between the two, i.e. for MASHIYYAT, law of causation holds (and everything happens according to the law of cause and effect as defined by Allah) while for IRADA (when used in contrast to MASHIYYAT), Allah brings about things without any cause or pre-existing rule.
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/mashiyyat.htm
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/law-shaa.htm -
Peace,
I have always stated this in every single post. One must do good to society (salaha/hassanat), and if you do not commit any wrongs in society, then the path is easy for you. But if you have done wrong to society, then you must compensate your evil by doing extra good to society.
Your statement contradicts the Qur'an, it are our deeds which determine our judgement, otherwise why is there any reason for judgement? This makes God a tyrant deity who does what he wants as a dictator like Saddam.
The Qur'an says our deeds will give us the reward or punishment
2147 We will set up the scales of justice on the Day of Resurrection,
and no person will be wronged in the least. Though the good or evil be
of the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it forth. We are Sufficient
for reckoning and none can take account as We do.78 The scales on that Day will be truly equitable. Those whose
constructive deeds are heavy, will prosper.79 And those whose scales are light, will be the ones who have put
their own ?self? in loss. ...So although God can ofcourse do as He pleases He also will always keep His promises as He made above. So His Will in the Qur'an does not mean He would punish even though you deserve reward, nor will He reward you when you deserve punishment, His Will is expressed in the above verses, He will protect you against the consequences of your wrong deeds if you have done more good then bad, but He will punish you if you have done more bad then good.
I suggest you to first study the concept of God's Will (yasha) before presenting these kind of verses.
The root of the word MASHIYYAT is sh-y-?a. It is usually rendered as ?wishing, willing or desiring?. Some scholastic theologians do not distinguish it from IRAADA though they are said to be originally different. In the original language, al-mashiyyatu signifies ?the causing to be or exist?. IRAADA is more synonymous with TALAB (i.e. willing or desiring) while Mashiyyat is more synonymous with EEJAAD (causing to be or exist). The dictionaries of classical Arabic render mashiyyat in the following meanings
-causing to be
-causing to exist
-rendering
-necessitating
-making (something) happen, compelling or constraining
-betaking or having recourse to
-wishing, willing or desiring
The root of the word SHAY and Mashiyyat is same. A SHAY is
whatever is caused to be, whether sensibly, as material substances or ideally, as sayings OR anything that has been made to have a beings, whether an accident, an attribute, or a substance
From the above, it can be seen that IRADA denotes INTENTION (or conception of a thing in mind) while MASHIYYAT denotes CAUSATION. From time perspective, IRADA precedes MASHIYYAT. Before there is a SHAY, there is IRADA.
Although IRADA and MASHIYYAT can be used synonymously but there come some instances when a distinction between these two terms becomes very important and these must be rendered distinctly to avoid confusion.
The most important example of this is when these two terms are used in the Quran in relation to Allah, the Creator. At the stage of IRADA or intention or conception (before causation), Allah does whatever He intends. He defines rules, criteria and measures etc. He decrees how things ought to be. We do not know and cannot know why He defines rules, criteria and measures as they are and why he decrees things the way He decrees. He brings about whatever He intends {yaf?alo ma yureed} . He ordains or decrees whatever He intends
At this stage, when He intends a thing, , He says unto it Be! ? and it is . This is the stage when He decrees a matter or an affair . This has also been termed as His ?AMR? . At this stage, there is no CAUSATION and Allah brings about things without any CAUSE. This is the stage when LAW OF UNIVERSAL CAUSATION, itself, is decreed by Allah.
After the stage of ?INTENTION? or ?AMR? or ?IRADA?, the stage of ?CAUSATION? or ?MASHIYYAT? comes into effect. At this stage, everything happens according to WHAT ALLAH?S LAW OF UNIVERSAL CAUSATION NECESSITATES.
So when the phrase ?yaf?alo ma yureed? will be used for Allah, this will be rendered as ?He does or brings about whatever He intends? and when the phrase ?yaf?alo ma yshaa? will be used, it would be better rendered as, ?He does or brings about what His Law of Causation necessitates?. There is a subtle but very important difference between the two, i.e. for MASHIYYAT, law of causation holds (and everything happens according to the law of cause and effect as defined by Allah) while for IRADA (when used in contrast to MASHIYYAT), Allah brings about things without any cause or pre-existing rule.
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/mashiyyat.htm
http//www.quranicteachings.co.uk/law-shaa.htm(٤
And He giveth you of all that ye ask for. But if ye count the favors (Nemat) of Allah never will ye be able to number them verily, man is given up to injustice and ingratitude. (14-34)
All human, no matter what they do from Good Deeds, they will never do enough to thank God for what he has given them. All humans are injustice and thankless and Ignorant, when it comes to thank God by doing Good (they never do enough).
To end this endless debate, I believe that no matter what I do from Good deeds, it will not be enough to cover my sins or to thank God for what he done for me and my family. Thus, I believe that I will not be saved in the Judgment Day except by God?s MERCY hail.
You believe what you want, but never advice people to give up believing in God?s MERCY.
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I really do not see any contradiction between justice and mercy. It is true that we shape ourselves and the world, with our deeds, but those deeds we are able to do them by God's leave and also because God created us so. I believe the act of creation is an act of Mercy, in whatever non christian meaning of the word one may adopt, it will always be an act of Mercy and that love is the reason for everything there is, and it will never cease and it is God who gives us the key nnow and forever as He wills to shape our spiritual destiny and will keep giving it to us. God is with as now, one minute go, and He will be in two minutes from now, one second, one milenium from now, and He will continue to be our Lord forever in every instant. And to his Creation He is Rahman, Rahim.
Ok, I guess i went out of the argument, but I did find it too narrow.
Salaam
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All human, no matter what they do from Good Deeds, they will never do enough to thank God for what he has given them. All humans are injustice and thankless and Ignorant, when it comes to thank God by doing Good (they never do enough).
Peace,
I personally do believe our deeds will determine our outcome and that this is not that grim as you see it since intention and knowledge of the universe also determine to how much you are responsible for every deed. God is not a tyrant who created the human race in such a way it is dependent on His whims and not on their own works, this is the same as what Christians believe, that deeds will not matter. Why create judgment at all if the system is not to be used anyway? God has never created anything in vain (3191).
God says we do not NOT need to fear as long as we 1.believe in God 2. believe in judgement 3. are righteous
2 62 VERILY, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians* -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
And since I believe God in His words, I do not need to fear as long as I keep up the above 3 points. This is being a Mumin, one who trusts God.
We can never thank God enough since His creation is infinite so this cannot be the key factor to the judgement, the Qur'an always refers to our deeds
78-9 The scales on that Day will be truly equitable. Those whose constructive deeds are
heavy, will prosper. And those whose scales are light, will be the ones who have put their
own ?self? in loss...23102-103 Then those whose scales (of good deeds) are heavy, they are the successful. And
those whose scales are light, it is those who have wasted their own -
Peace,
I personally do believe our deeds will determine our outcome and that this is not that grim as you see it since intention and knowledge of the universe also determine to how much you are responsible for every deed. God is not a tyrant who created the human race in such a way it is dependent on His whims and not on their own works, this is the same as what Christians believe, that deeds will not matter. Why create judgment at all if the system is not to be used anyway? God has never created anything in vain (3191).
God says we do not NOT need to fear as long as we 1.believe in God 2. believe in judgement 3. are righteous
2 62 VERILY, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians* -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
And since I believe God in His words, I do not need to fear as long as I keep up the above 3 points. This is being a Mumin, one who trusts God.
We can never thank God enough since His creation is infinite so this cannot be the key factor to the judgement, the Qur'an always refers to our deeds
78-9 The scales on that Day will be truly equitable. Those whose constructive deeds are
heavy, will prosper. And those whose scales are light, will be the ones who have put their
own ?self? in loss...23102-103 Then those whose scales (of good deeds) are heavy, they are the successful. And
those whose scales are light, it is those who have wasted their ownAll the Verses you Mentioned is TRUE. BUT
Your Deeds will Never Be ENOUGH; Thus, You Need God's MERCY to BE SAVED -
All the Verses you Mentioned is TRUE. BUT
Your Deeds will Never Be ENOUGH; Thus, You Need God's MERCY to BE SAVEDPeace,
Now you are completely contradicting the Qur'anic verses you say are completely true. There is no verse that says your deeds will never be enough, all the verses say the direct opposite. All the time you condemning me for creating made up understandings and now it shows it is your own belief that your deeds are not enough which is not based on the Qur'an.
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Peace,
Now you are completely contradicting the Qur'anic verses you say are completely true. There is no verse that says your deeds will never be enough, all the verses say the direct opposite. All the time you condemning me for creating made up understandings and now it shows it is your own belief that your deeds are not enough which is not based on the Qur'an.
Let me ask a question
Did you ever ask God for forgiveness?
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Let me ask a question
Did you ever ask God for forgiveness?
Peace,
This question is avoiding the fact that there are no counter arguments for you to give it seems. But I will answer it since it will show the difference
When I believed in it before, yes. I did something wrong and just asked forgiveness and hoped on God's mercy to ignore what I have done. So
- I didn't take responsibility for what I had done, I just tried to avoid it.
- I was more busy with "pleasing" and pleading God instead of correcting my wrong.
- I kept doing wrong things, as the concept of forgiveness doesn't really urge you to reform yourself.
- I feared God as a dictator, completely at His 'mercy', meaning I could get rewarded or punished whatever I did.
- I didn't know I could compensate my wrong deeds by doing good as 11114 stated.
- Because I didn't know of the compensation system, I only focussed on worship and be scared of God.
Now I know better that
- I take full responsibility for what I have done and accept all consequences as a grown mature person, since I must accept that all I cause has an effect.
- This makes me more careful on what I cause, since I now know that NO effect of my causes will be ignored, but my intention and knowledge of my deed will be taken in during the weighing.
- I am now urged to participate in humaniterian action and help others.
- I now do not commit wrongs conciously anymore as I know that every little scrap of wrongness accumalates and I will be confronted with it. And I want to do more good then wrong. In a sense, I feel my own scale, and I want it to become heavier, so i avoid anything that makes it lighter.
- As I do not always can know all the effects I cause out of ignorance, I am always busy with helping others. But intention, knowledge and good deeds weigh 10x more, plus that God says I do not need to fear as long as I do good and try to avoid the bad, I do not need to worry.
- I am not scared of God, I am only scared of the consequences of my own actions. I am now amazed by the justice system He has created, since it is now just me and my own deeds. This truly motivates self-development and improvement.
- The compensation system urges participation in society, instead of selfish salvation.
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Peace,
But I will answer it since it will show the difference
Thank You
Now, I will tell you how I try (I do not succeed all the time) to be like based on what you wrote.
When I believed in it before, yes. I did something wrong and just asked forgiveness and hoped on God's mercy to ignore what I have done. So
- I didn't take responsibility for what I had done, I just tried to avoid it.
If what I did had an effect on the society (Like stealing, hurting people), I knew that no matter how much I ask for forgiveness, God will not forgive me unless I fix what I did (if what I did can be fixable, or pay the "Kafara".
But if my sin had no effect on the society (like eating pork, or not praying in time) I knew that God will forgive me if only I'm serious about not committing the sin again (God knows my intention).
- I was more busy with "pleasing" and pleading God instead of correcting my wrong.
This is wrong, since to be forgiven, ones have to correct what they did if they can.
- I kept doing wrong things, as the concept of forgiveness doesn't really urge you to reform yourself.
If somebody thinks that he can do any thing bad and not do Good because God will forgive him, thin he is Wicked or ignorant.
- I feared God as a dictator, completely at His 'mercy', meaning I could get rewarded or punished whatever I did.
God is Mercy to the ones whom he knows deserve his Mercy (only him knows), but he also can punish whom he knows deserve his punishment.
- I didn't know I could compensate my wrong deeds by doing good as 11114 stated.
only if he wishes to accept it (based on the condition and the type of sin)
Now I know better that
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I take full responsibility for what I have done and accept all consequences as a grown mature person, since I must accept that all I cause has an effect.
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This makes me more careful on what I cause, since I now know that NO effect of my causes will be ignored, but my intention and knowledge of my deed will be taken in during the weighing.
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I am now urged to participate in humaniterian action and help others.
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I now do not commit wrongs conciously anymore as I know that every little scrap of wrongness accumalates and I will be confronted with it. And I want to do more good then wrong. In a sense, I feel my own scale, and I want it to become heavier, so i avoid anything that makes it lighter.
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As I do not always can know all the effects I cause out of ignorance, I am always busy with helping others. But intention, knowledge and good deeds weigh 10x more, plus that God says I do not need to fear as long as I do good and try to avoid the bad, I do not need to worry.
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I am not scared of God, I am only scared of the consequences of my own actions. I am now amazed by the justice system He has created, since it is now just me and my own deeds. This truly motivates self-development and improvement.
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The compensation system urges participation in society, instead of selfish salvation.
I wish I can be like this with a littel different, which what I said above and always believe no matter what I do from Good deeds are never enuogh to thank God for every thing he done for me and my familly; and most importantly, to ask for his forgiveness when I do Wrong.
Salam
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Salaam Belal,
Now, I will tell you how I try (I do not succeed all the time) to be like based on what you wrote.
If what I did had an effect on the society (Like stealing, hurting people), I knew that no matter how much I ask for forgiveness, God will not forgive me unless I fix what I did (if what I did can be fixable, or pay the "Kafara".Then no forgiveness is involved but compensation. The bad is erased by the good (11114). If you want call the compensating "forgiveness" then you need to re-write the whole definition of the word.
But if my sin had no effect on the society (like eating pork, or not praying in time) I knew that God will forgive me if only I'm serious about not committing the sin again (God knows my intention).
Pig is called Rijs which means to pollute something. It is proven pig contains the wrong cholestrol and many parasites. Also pigfarms are the most polluting of all animalfarms. When you eat pig a couple of times, your body can handle it. It has nothing to do with sin but with health. You think God created this unlimited universe just to get mad at your diet?
He doesn't care what you do, He only gives us advice how to be succesful as a species.
When you consume pig or alcohol or drugs or rotten meat, your body can handle it a couple of times without any damage. But when you take it multiple times over a long period, your body will get damaged.
God is Mercy to the ones whom he knows deserve his Mercy (only him knows), but he also can punish whom he knows deserve his punishment. only if he wishes to accept it (based on the condition and the type of sin)
God makes the person feel the consequences of their deeds, good or bad. The knowledge and intention is taken account for. This is fair and straightforward. The above sounds more like a tyrannical king treating its slaves.
I wish I can be like this with a littel different, which what I said above and always believe no matter what I do from Good deeds are never enuogh to thank God for every thing he done for me and my familly; and most importantly, to ask for his forgiveness when I do Wrong.
I understand and respect your feelings on this issue. I just want to add that as long as you do good, God promises you, you do not need to fear, remember this, focus on the good and loose the fear as God orders you to do
2 62 VERILY, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians* -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
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Salaams Br Arnold,
When you consume pig or alcohol or drugs or rotten meat, your body can handle it a couple of times without any damage. But when you take it multiple times over a long period, your body will get damaged.
You can't be serious, come on.
People all over the world eat pig and drink too and they actually live longer then those who don't eat pig and drink alcohol- so where is the damage?
Is the pig really in the quran or even alcohol............?
Thanks.
God Bless.
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Salaams Br Arnold,
You can't be serious, come on.
People all over the world eat pig and drink too and they actually live longer then those who don't eat pig and drink alcohol- so where is the damage?
Is the pig really in the quran or even alcohol............?
Thanks.
God Bless.
Salaam Brother,
I have studied Biochemistry and Alcohol does damage your body-system, especially the brain. Pigmeat contains very bad cholestrols, which is the reason for increased heart-diseases. And your claim that people who do consume these live longer is not only proposterous it is false. For example in the West, people live longer because of the hygiene, better living conditions and the freedom of living. Without pig and alcohol they would even live longer and there would be less violence and a more productive enviroment because of it.
And yes, both are in the Quran, I know your understanding of the words and I do not agree with them. But this is offtopic so please keep that discussion in the other threads.