Quran Translation Project
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peace Layth, all,
I cant recall where the other thread is for revisions but this one will do.
Before I post another, I would like to highlight some of the others above have not been implemented, meaning they are still present in 'The Message' and still incorrect (in my opinion).
In 3510
The suffixed pronoun in (yarfa3uhu it/he) is ambiguous because it can refer to either the righteous deed or "whoever" in the beginning of the verse. Thus I believe the possibilities are
"Whoever desires honour, power and glory then to Allah belong all honour, power and glory. To Him ascend the goodly words and the righteous deed raise him......"
"Whoever desires honour, power and glory then to Allah belong all honour, power and glory. To Him ascend the goodly words and the righteous deed He raises it....."
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Salam,
Here is The Message translation
Whosoever is seeking pride, then know that to God belongs all Pride. To Him ascend the good words, and they are exalted by the good deeds. And as for those who scheme evil, they will have a painful retribution, and their scheming will fail. (3510)
I find it more accurate when looking through the Arabic with regards to what the good works/deeds are doing.
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peace,
I find it more accurate when looking through the Arabic with regards to what the good works/deeds are doing.
Is 'the righteous deed' singular or not?
Does "yarfa3uhu" refer to a singular thing or not?
Answering these will allow us to see what is more accurate.
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Peace,
I see the point you are making.
The rightous deed is singular. The raising (yarfa3uhu) is done by God to the good work/deed.
"Whosoever is seeking pride, then know that to God belongs all Pride. To Him ascend the words that are good, and the good deed, it is made better by Him. And as for those who scheme evil, they will have a painful retribution, and their scheming will fail. (3510)
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peace,
Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. )
Also yarfa3uhu is imperfect, i.e. an action in the process of being done.
Rather than "To Him ascend the words that are good, and the good deed, it is made better by Him..." perhaps "To Him ascend the good words and He raises the good deed". It's just more concise.
You may wish to consider the other changes I've brought up
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Quraan in its Revelation order did reveal a secret that the qURAAN itself is a collection of 7 individual books here are their names
al Zaboor
al Furqaan
Ayah Ki tab Mubeen
Al Musa al Ki tab
al Ki tab Hakeem
al Ebad Ki tab
al Ki tab la Rayba Feehieach of these names was take from the Break in each section first Words of first mention of subject matter, i would hope that you all would look into this Finding as it has awaken my spirit and excited my soul because each of these books is paired with a set of the Letters that sit atop some of the suras and it matches the 7 books perfectly just like the Quraan says AL QURAAN and the 7 Pairs elhamdulillah.....
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Quraan in its Revelation order did reveal a secret that the qURAAN itself is a collection of 7 individual books here are their names
al Zaboor
al Furqaan
Ayah Ki tab Mubeen
Al Musa al Ki tab
al Ki tab Hakeem
al Ebad Ki tab
al Ki tab la Rayba Feehieach of these names was take from the Break in each section first Words of first mention of subject matter, i would hope that you all would look into this Finding as it has awaken my spirit and excited my soul because each of these books is paired with a set of the Letters that sit atop some of the suras and it matches the 7 books perfectly just like the Quraan says AL QURAAN and the 7 Pairs elhamdulillah.....
Care to expand on this? It makes much more sense than a few other explanations for the initials.
How do you divide them? And is it even reasonable to divide them? Anyway, your interpretation makes a lot of good sense in light of 1591 - there are 114 surahs here yet 1587 mentions 7 of "" - and then follows to reveal that the book has, or may be split up further.
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Care to expand on this? It makes much more sense than a few other explanations for the initials.
How do you divide them? And is it even reasonable to divide them? Anyway, your interpretation makes a lot of good sense in light of 1591 - there are 114 surahs here yet 1587 mentions 7 of "" - and then follows to reveal that the book has, or may be split up further.
Peace brother,
Doesn't it say we have "given" as in past tense. So how can it be talking about the Quran being in 7 parts?Thanks!
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Peace brother,
Doesn't it say we have "given" as in past tense. So how can it be talking about the Quran being in 7 parts?Thanks!
But if you move onwards it talks about the quran being partitioned, in the past tense? I.e. see 1589-91. It depends on whether the "quran" being talked about in that verse is the same here. I don't get what those verses are implying either, is the quran supposed to be an undivided recital?
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Surely thy Lord, He is the All-creator, the All-knowing.
We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated, and the mighty Koran.
Stretch not thine eyes to that We have given pairs of them to enjoy; and do not sorrow for them, and lower thy wing unto the believers,
and say, 'Surely, I am the manifest warner.'
So We sent it down to the partitioners,
who have broken the Koran into fragments.
Salam,
I m curious on your discussions and the following questions come to mind
In the above verses
- What are the seven pairs?
- Who are given these seven pairs?
- Are the one given seven pairs the partitioners?
- Have they broken the Quran into fragments?
Hati
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With reference to my previous post in this thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596520.msg9069#msg9069...and when you are changing your clothes from/of (mina partitive) openess/visibility...
I just thought of this today is there any significance to the the use of "mina"?
I note no translator (that I checked) translates this word correctly. Is that because it weakens the common understanding of "noon"? (thus indirectly strengthening the above understanding*). Or is this just a normal way to say such a thing in Arabic? Seems a little unusual to me.
*as it implies out of all the times of openess/visibility (i.e. when you are out in the open /visible), it is only the times that you change your clothes that are a private time for you.
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Dear all,
Monotheist Group's translation is available in our website which makes it much more convenient to read and perform search against the translation. Furthermore, you can analyze word by word from the translation if you click/tap word by word from the translation. Last but not least, you can choose Monotheist Group's translation as starting point of your personal translation sun
Peace,
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