question about salat
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Peace Allen,
Like God Within said, you have to apply it and authenticate it . I'm not saying I agree with him, but I think readily accepting what you read no matter where it claims to be from is blind faith. So sometimes people will provide examples which they have found association with to the teachings of Jibreel.
Joe
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God does not want to place any hardship on u, He wants to cleanse u and complete His blessings on u that you may be appreciative.
Wash your clothes and make yourselves acceptable to worship God.
Get urselves ready to meet Him.
And wash yourselves in the way the Sripture tells you to wash urselves.
Mr. Wallace
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Peace be upon you Soof,
I like the Bruce Lee quote you merged into your last post God Within
Good catch. Powerful metaphor isn't it? Its stuck with me since I heard it and it proves it self true as I grow in experience. He also said "Be like water my friend"...how else can you change if you are not receptive and adaptable. In fact the four elements (earth , fire, air, water) and thier combinations are a good study, especially when applied to personalities. Anyway I am rambling now.
Peace
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Peace be upon you Alen,
I want to again reiterate my response to you because I dont want you to think I am dodging your question. WHat I am saying is that the proof is in the pudding (so to speak). Life is where the proof is, AL Kitaab. I have already given verses in many of my posts that point to what I am saying, but what I have found out is that by being stuck in this proclamation(quran) that has been raised to the level of a god to some, we miss the real magic. And the kicker is that this quran is forever pointing us back to AL Kitaab(life/creation). The things I am sharing are things that must be tested in life and if you see them to be true, go back and re read this proclamation(quran) with your new eyes and you will see it. And that goes for any statements that enter your ears or eyes(reading), you must test all, only truth will withstand and then you will see that this proclamation was taking about that all the time. It is our conditionings we already have that are in the way, they shade our understandings, but we have to PURIFY and then go back and look again.
I hope you understand what I am saying.
If there are any more questions I can answer though I would be glad too.
Anyone who sees an error in what I am saying here please step foward and test it, there is no shame in that, this is what we are here for. I offer up my position on the sacrifice table.
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Peace be upon you,
Wudu is to focus you in the right direction. I am not 100% sure of the metaphors, but my current ideas are as follows.
1- Wash the face
This deals with us purifying our character, the face represents character. There are severl personality types in life that we must all master. Most of us are polarized into one personality type, but life is the place where God sends us challenges to manifest other personalities. So we must understand that essentailly we are NO PERSONALITY and are thus able to manifest any personality, and that is what we do when we salaat(program), we are programming our spirit(nafs) with all of the personalities. We wash the face to make it ready to recieve whatever character is needed. Its like ab acor who removes his wardrobe and awaits his next costume.
2- Wash the arms to the elbows
The hands/arms represent our abiliy to create/command/control. What is it that we control? The spirit(subconcious/nafs). The animal within us that we must tame. A metaphor for the spirit is the soil, where the farmer plants his seeds with his hands/arms. The farmer protects this seed by removing weeds, etc. So we wash the arms to show that it is a job of purification of the garden(subconcious mind).
3- Wipe the head
Your thoughts lead everything. Your thoughts are the focus within the subconcious. It is the thoughts we are going to change, and when they change the image changes, and the image is what moves the energy(life force/ruh) to act. We are talking about real behavior science.
4- Wash the feet to the ankles.
Your feet are what move you towards and away from things. They represent your lifeforce(ruh) whose lowest expression are the emotions (energy in motion). Changing behavior is correcting your thoughts so that you have the correct mental image so that your life force will go out to put you in line with your destiny. Your emotions and desires are what pull in push you in life. For exampe, the cigarette smoker who wants to stop, but thier emotions keep pushing them to smoke must understand that it is a job of not only declaring they want to stop, but actively going within thier spirit(nafs) to change the program(salaat). Remember, God says It does NOT change the condition of a people UNTIL they change what is in thier nafs(subconcious)!!! So the smoker will continue to smoke until that is done. Sometimes stronger emotions come to make you changem like when the doctor says "if you keep smoking you will die tommorrow", FEAR will overide in most cases and cause you to stop. But now you are a slave to fear.Peace,
Respectfully.How do you perform dry ablution and what is the differenc ebetween dry ablution and ablution with water? Are these metaphorical, literal and why are they seperated?
Peace.
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Peace be upon you Alen,
Dry Ablution says we should touch dust/soil and wipe our faces and hands.....its just more symbolism. The potter deals with both soil/clay and water to create. I wrote in my post under "washing arms to elbows" the following..
"...A metaphor for the spirit is the soil, where the farmer plants his seeds with his hands/arms. The farmer protects this seed by removing weeds, etc. So we wash the arms to show that it is a job of purification of the garden(subconcious mind). .."
Putting dirt on your face is not a comparable substitute to washing your face, its not about literal cleaning, even though you should be clean literally, but just a metaphor of water and soil, a metaphor about how to make changes in your spirit.
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Peace be upon you Alen,
Dry Ablution says we should touch dust/soil and wipe our faces and hands.....its just more symbolism. The potter deals with both soil/clay and water to create. I wrote in my post under "washing arms to elbows" the following..
"...A metaphor for the spirit is the soil, where the farmer plants his seeds with his hands/arms. The farmer protects this seed by removing weeds, etc. So we wash the arms to show that it is a job of purification of the garden(subconcious mind). .."
Putting dirt on your face is not a comparable substitute to washing your face, its not about literal cleaning, even though you should be clean literally, but just a metaphor of water and soil, a metaphor about how to make changes in your spirit.
Salaam all
This is not rubbing dirt on your hands and face but, actually cleaning yourself with pure earth, which supposedly contains natural cleansing ingredients. Some time back I saw a programme on British TV where it was discussed how earth has cleansing powers and that, in Africa where there is a scarcity of water earth should be used for cleansing, I am no scientist so I would ask someone, so inclined, to do the research and I am sure this will be confirmed.
peace
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salaam
go easy please.
the symbolism is excitingly attractive. but is it the truth?
towards the end of 56 is this sentence
'... falam tajidoo maan fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban faimsahoo biwujoohikum waaydeekum minhu ma yureedu Allahu liyajAAala AAalaykum min harajin walakin yureedu liyutahhirakum waliyutimma niAAmatahu AAalaykum laAAallakum tashkuroona.'abdullah yusuf ali understood it to mean
'... and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.'there is that phrase of "... falam tajidoo maan ...." how does this phrase fit into your symbolism?
btw, my personal comprehension is
' ... but if you (pl.) could not find water (falam tajidoo maan), then resort to (fatayammamoo) an agreeable goodness (saAAeedan tayyiban), so, rub your faces (faimsahoo biwujoohikum) and hands (waaydeekum)....'so, if one could not find water, simply rub the face and the hands, with one's hands.
let's not ridicule or deride each other, for only God know the truth, symbolism or otherwise.
peace
jb
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I hear pigs like to roll around in mud and apparently some people do too, so I wanna roll around in some mud. ;D
Joe
Salaam,
Mud has been proven to have excellent cleansing powers; that is why people use mud masks and often the whole body covered in mud for thorough cleansing. Rolling in mud has beocome a healthy sports in some spa's too.
By the way pigs eat food too along with their own excrement; so does that mean that everything pigs do is bad? ???We can do a simple experiment to find this out, simply take note of your dirty hands under the microscope, then rub your hands with mud and check again if its any cleaner than before. I am sure any scieintist or doctor can do this simple experiment and even school labs can do so to find out for sure.
peace
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salaam,
thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?
insha-Allah, God will guide us all.
peace
jb
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salaam,
thank you for the info. yes, mud, as every other things around us, has excellent properties, if only we were to investigate thoroughly. but are those excellent properties relevant to the issue at hand, of cleansing oneself before honouring the relationship with God, or the ritual prayers as some would prefer? is it in context of the message?
insha-Allah, God will guide us all.
peace
jb
Salaam,
Yes I believe it is in context of the message, preparing yourself according to a clear injunction in the Qur'an - physically prepare for the spiritual communion with God, detaching yourself from the worldly activities.peace
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As far as I'm aware, the connotation of the word is dry earth/soil, not mud.
Salaam Wakas,
Yes this is correct and thank you for putting us back on track. In reply no 13, I too said ...pure earth, which supposedly contains natural cleansing ingredients, but then the topic turned to mud and I overlooked that I used word mud for the experiment
So conduct experiment using dry clean earth and I am confident that the result will show that even dry clean earth has cleansing power.
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salaam
the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.
what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?insha-Allah God will guide us.
peace
jb
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If it's about cleansing (literally), how about cleansing creams/milk?
Salaam,
wow Not a bad idea when we run out of water and clean earth on this earth.
salaam
the phrase in question is 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban'.
what does this phrase mean?
what is 'tayammamoo? isn't it an imperative?
what is 'saAAeedan tayyiban'? to find the meaning break it first - what is 'saAAeedan'? and what is 'tayyiban'?insha-Allah God will guide us.
peace
jb
Salaam
I need help I don't know how to do this search. -[ -
salaam
let's leave 'fatayammamoo saAAeedan tayyiban' to the linguists. i am not.
now is the question were and when do you suppose we 'could not find water'? i suppose it is safe to say that 80% of the human beings a living in regions with easily available water. even the 20% living in the desert regions don't necessarily face a shortage of water.
could it be a case where water is easily available, but we are not in a position to access them, while we need to honour the salat at that very moment?
just ponder about it. what do we do?
peace
jb
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Question about salat...
How should I do a contact prayer while I'm at work? Do contact prayers need standing, bowing and prostrating at all costs? What if I can't do this? Can I pray while sitting then?
Also I'm aware that the Quran says the believers pray while sitting, standing, lying, etc. bet I think this is referring to DUA/TASBEEH and not SALAT.
Salam
