Should we stone A. Wallace?

anthonywallace

There is a lot of information in the Holy Bible for those questioning whether a person is a prophet.

Matthew 7

15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

I have told you everything ahead of time

Mark 13

20If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect?if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

Revelation 1920

20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Pet.%202;&version=31;

pvb is right, be on your gaurd.

Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and PROPHETHOOD say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.

Stay away from them Pharises and teachers! They are like blind people leading other blind people , they all will fall into a ditch.

Jafar

I testify that there's no God but Allah
And A. Wallace is His messenger..

Will i also be stoned??

Ahmad_Bilal

I deliver to you "the submitters communion book." The communion manefested.

peace

Peace to all.

No disrespect or anything, brother, but you're preaching a blasphemous concept, a teaching completely against al-Qur'an. For you to claim to bring any new book or new message is to declare yourself a "prophet", not just a "messenger". You don't fit the description of a "prophet" because al-Qur'an clearly says that Mohammed is the last one... According to the Scripture, all messengers bring proofs of their messengership. So, where is yours? You can't say you bring the "salat", defining it as "prayer" - that's completely false. Al-salat has been around for a long time, even before al-Qur'an was sent down to Mohammed...

Also, you can't lead people towards the true path of God (Allah) if you can't read His divine Message - you said you can't read Arabic, thus you can't read al-Qur'an. You can only read TRANSLATIONS, which may be correct or blatantly wrong. Without at least having a basic understanding of the Arabic language, you can't successfully preach to us the Scripture... Your concepts of prayer ("dua&quot are not based on the Bible either - they're based on TRANSLATIONS of the Bible. If you can't teach the Message from the original Scripture (Hebrew and Aramaic), how do you know that you're not publicizing falsehoods? The statement you made

I recieved it maraculously from God.

That is a complete fabrication and a lie against God. The Almighty doesn't send His messages to us anymore through humans - if Mohammed was the last prophet, then obviously, al-Qur'an is the last message/scripture/light/reminder for us. A true messenger of God CONFIRMS the Message through proofs and signs, and that entails a lot more than simply reciting memorized Qur'anic verses...

A messenger is one that carries messages or performs errands...

This is not the view of a "messenger" (raswul) expressed in al-Qur'an... To view yourself as a personal "messenger" to the people, desiring to lead people to God's system of submission, is fine. But to constuct a lie against God Himself, even to the point of claiming to have received a divine book explaining al-salat and zakat, allegedly sent down by "miraculous" means, is a very serious transgression, one not easily overlooked.

True that messenger can be any bearer of a message but in the case of prophet who is a messenger as well is to deliver the God's revelations to mankind. It is a fact in Quran that although prophets had been killed but no prophet who was a messenger as well had ever been killed.

This comment doesn't make sense. A "prophet" (nabi) wouldn't receive a divine Message and keep it for himself, would he? Any message that a prophet brings to the people is sent down, and therefore confirmed, by God Himself. Since the prophet's message is to be preached to a larger audience than himself, that would automatically make all "prophets" also "messengers". However, since every confirmation of Scripture is not followed by a new revelation, every "messenger" is not necessarily a "prophet"...

Rashad Khalifa cannot be a human messenger of God as a messenger has to be a prophet as well.

I'm not saying that I believe completely in the messengership of Dr. Rashad Khalifa, but there is a definate difference between a "prophet" (nabi) and a "messenger" (raswul). The clearest distinguishment of them is

"We did not send before you any messenger nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise." (al-Qur'an 2252)

Because of it saying "ANY MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET", that means they can't be the same thing - if they were the exact same thing, this Scripture would be redundant. Al-Qur'an is showing that there is a clear difference between the two. Also, the two could be catagorized together if every "messenger" was also called a "prophet" in al-Qur'an, but this isn't the case either. The past messengers Hud, Saleh, and Shuaib are never called "prophets", they are only called "messengers", and that separates them from the ones called "prophets" in al-Qur'an-Majeed (i.e. Moussa, Ibraheem, Esa, etc.)...

anthonywallace

Peace to all.

No disrespect or anything, brother, but you're preaching a blasphemous concept, a teaching completely against al-Qur'an. For you to claim to bring any new book or new message is to declare yourself a "prophet", not just a "messenger".

According to the Scripture, all messengers bring proofs of their messengership. So, where is yours? You can't say you bring the "salat", defining it as "prayer" - that's completely false. Al-salat has been around for a long time, even before al-Qur'an was sent down to Mohammed...

Also, you can't lead people towards the true path of God (Allah) if you can't read His divine Message - you said you can't read Arabic, thus you can't read al-Qur'an. You can only read TRANSLATIONS, which may be correct or blatantly wrong. Without at least having a basic understanding of the Arabic language, you can't successfully preach to us the Scripture... Your concepts of prayer ("dua&quot are not based on the Bible either - they're based on TRANSLATIONS of the Bible. If you can't teach the Message from the original Scripture (Hebrew and Aramaic), how do you know that you're not publicizing falsehoods? The statement you made

That is a complete fabrication and a lie against God. The Almighty doesn't send His messages to us anymore through humans - if Mohammed was the last prophet, then obviously, al-Qur'an is the last message/scripture/light/reminder for us. A true messenger of God CONFIRMS the Message through proofs and signs, and that entails a lot more than simply reciting memorized Qur'anic verses...

This is not the view of a "messenger" (raswul) expressed in al-Qur'an... To view yourself as a personal "messenger" to the people, desiring to lead people to God's system of submission, is fine. But to constuct a lie against God Himself, even to the point of claiming to have received a divine book explaining al-salat and zakat, allegedly sent down by "miraculous" means, is a very serious transgression, one not easily overlooked.

God is sufficeint as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture...

Glory be to my Lord. Am I anything but a human messenger.

This is my way, I invite to God in full disclosure, myself and whomever follows me. And I am not of those who set up partners...

Prayer has been around for along time...and their prayers at the temple was nothing but noise and aversion...generations lost the prayers while they were commanded to keep it ,and followed desire...of serving idols in Gods precense...

My proof of my messengership is the Quran. Everytime a messenger came to them they denied them also... And those who reject say " you are not a messenger " and they dont have proof that im not...Nor do you have proof...

That is one proof, and God knows who His messengers are. And He knows those who deny His messengers to...And He knows the hyporcrites...

Im go claim to be Gods messenger till the death. I am Gods messenger to you all. The One who has the soverinty of the heavens and Earth.

He chooses whomever He wishes from the people to be His messenger...

So be aware of God and obey me ( and my teachings/ and my book).

Have they passed these sayings down to each other???

And they also said " We will not believe in you into you cause a spring to burst forth, or bring a sing from heaven, or have a mansion, and ordornaments.

and we will not believe in you untill u acend into the heaven..."

Had God willed i would not have recited it to you...

Are the messengers requred to do anything but deliver clearly?

I do not say to you that I posses Gods treasures. Nor do I say to you that i am an angel, nor do i know the future. I merly follow what is inspired to me. Are the blind and the seer the same? Do you not think?

their messengers came to them with clear proofs, but they said " Shall mere human beigs guid us? " So they rejected and turner away, and God had no need. And God is Rich, Praiseworthy.

And I seek refuge with my Lord from being of the ignorant, and saying what i dont know...

What is the matter with you??? God has made the Quran easy in my tongue...The Holy Spirit brought it down...

So are you saying that only Arabics can preach the Scripture??? Or only those who can read the quran in Arabic???Do you have any proof for most of what you say??? Or are u sayin that only arabics can understand quran??? None can grasp it except those who are purified...He has taught the Quran... And He is the One who teaches you... And the Quran has been made easy to learn for anyone who wishes to learn...

Do u not know that God guides whoever He wishes??? And that language is not a barrier??? And that He dosent annialate a town without first sending a messenger to the language of its own people to clarify for them???

I know that im not publiszing falshood, because the truth has come from your Lord, while falshood has perished. Falshood is always bound to perish!

God still sends human messengers to inspire whoever He chooses... Muhammad was the last prohet... but not the last messenger...

And He sends messengers who recites His revelations to the people, and who purifys them, and teaches them the Scripture and wisdom, and what they dont know...

Now bring your proof that He dont...

The signs are from God... And the messengers are not requerd to bring signs or anything without Gods leave... they are only requred to deliver clearly His message...recite the Quran...

I dont have what you are hastening towards...

Or do they say " He fabricated lies about God"

And if I fabricated lies against God, then i am responsible for my crime and you are responsible for ur crimes...

If I stray then I do to my own lose, and if i am guided then it is because of what my Lord has inspired to me. And He is the Hearer, knower.

I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, the retribution of a great Day...

And how do u know that when a sign comes , that they will not disbelieve?

It is the same no matter what proofs u bring, the disbelievers not go believe...

And how can anyone ask the Lord to save them if they never heard of Him? And how can they hear unless someone tells them? And how can someone tell them without being sent by the Lord???

arnoldyasin

So be aware of God and obey me ( and my teachings/ and my book).

Peace,

It is sad to see your quest for your human need of being of importance has ended up with this deluded idea. You do not even know what the book says since you can't even verify an Arabic word. I obey the Qur'an, and study it's contents in its original language, the Quran is protected and unchanged and is to be discovered for everyone with an open mind and rationality, there is absolutely no function in you being a messenger as you try to proclaim. So stop the powertripping...

jankren

Anthony Wallace is prolly some atheist obsessed with destroying other peoples belief for self satisfaction or something.

anthonywallace

Anthony Wallace is prolly some atheist obsessed with destroying other peoples belief for self satisfaction or something.

God knows what is said in the heavens and the Earth.

Peace,

It is sad to see your quest for your human need of being of importance has ended up with this deluded idea. You do not even know what the book says since you can't even verify an Arabic word. I obey the Qur'an, and study it's contents in its original language, the Quran is protected and unchanged and is to be discovered for everyone with an open mind and rationality, there is absolutely no function in you being a messenger as you try to proclaim. So stop the powertripping...

God knows what is said in the heavens and the Earth...

This is an obveous lie!

Bring forth your witnesses if you truthful...

Have you and your forfaythers pasted these sayings down to each other...that u and the rest of the rejecters say...to their messengers that come to them???

Your Lord is fully aware of who it is that brings the guidance, and who has gone astray...

Do not serve except God, and be aware, and obey, and listen.

He does not speak of his own accord.

Who are my supporters towards God???

Either u wit me or against me!!! There was a sign for you in the two groups that met. One was foghting in the cause of God , while the other was rejecting...

And God is fully aware of who His messengers are...And He knows who the soldiers are... And He knows which of you are the hinderers...

And if you against me then stay away from me!!!

And if you love God , then follow me. So God will love you and forgive your sins. And God is the forgiver, the Merciful...

O rejecters, I do not serve what you serve, nor do you serve what I serve. Nor will I serve what you aerve. Nor will you serve what I serve. To you is your system, and to me is mine...

I am a clear warner!

Do you ridicul ,me for sayin that im Gods messenger??? Why??? And im inviting u to believe in ur Lord and what was sent down...

Why did you kill the prohets from befor if u were believers???

This is what they said to their messengers

It is sad to see your quest for your human need of being of importance has ended up with this deluded idea. You do not even know what the book says since you can't even verify an Arabic word. I obey the Qur'an, and study it's contents in its original language, the Quran is protected and unchanged and is to be discovered for everyone with an open mind and rationality, there is absolutely no function in you being a messenger as you try to proclaim. So stop the powertripping...

Ahmad_Bilal

Peace, A. Wallace.

Your arguments are completely futile. Your proof isn't al-Qur'an because YOU DIDN'T DELIVER AL-QUR'AN. The Message is already here, and it was delivered by Mohammed. Why are you applying teachings about the prophet to yourself? Do you claim to be a prophet also???

And even, hypothetically, if you did deliver the Message, which is not the case since Mohammed is the final prophet, how could you claim to deliver al-Qur'an if you can't read it in it's original language? If you can't recite the Message in Arabic, you don't really know what al-Qur'an says - you need someone to translate God's Message to you!

My proof of my messengership is the Quran. Everytime a messenger came to them they denied them also... And those who reject say " you are not a messenger " and they dont have proof that im not...Nor do you have proof...

Had God willed i would not have recited it to you... Are the messengers requred to do anything but deliver clearly?

What is the matter with you??? God has made the Quran easy in my tongue...The Holy Spirit brought it down...

What are you delivering that is not already delivered? Has God (The High) sent you down an English Translation of al-Qur'an, divinely inspired??? Or do you speak about The God what you do not know?

"And who does greater wrong than he who invents a lie against God when he is summoned unto submission? And God does not guide the wrongdoing people." (al-Qur'an 617)

Peace.

Hati

It is not for a Prophet to be fraudulent; whoso defrauds shall bring the fruits of his fraud on the Day of Resurrection; then every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned, and they shall not be wronged.

Dotty

So be aware of God and obey me ( and my teachings/ and my book).

My oh my!

"Humility"... the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.

Ever heard of it?

Peace

anthonywallace

My oh my!

"Humility"... the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.

Ever heard of it?

Peace

Humble towards the believers and sever and proud towards all rejecters...This is Gods grace, that He bestows upon whomever He wills...

peace

It is not for a Prophet to be fraudulent; whoso defrauds shall bring the fruits of his fraud on the Day of Resurrection; then every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned, and they shall not be wronged.

Thats right Hati,

And

" I do not ask you for any wage; nor am I a fraud. It is but a reminder for the worlds, and u will come to know its news after awhile."

Jafar

Yo A. Wallace (May Allah Grant Him Peace)

Those who don't believe you are Kuffar!!
Should I kill them?

Defender Of Faith

anthonywallace

Yo A. Wallace (May Allah Grant Him Peace)

Those who don't believe you are Kuffar!!
Should I kill them?

Defender Of Faith

I dont know what fuffar means...

Just let whoever wills believe and whoever reject...God is witness, and He knows who brings the guidance and who has strayed...

I do not ask for a wage , but for whoever chooses to make a path to His Lord...

peace

anthonywallace

Peace, A. Wallace.

Your arguments are completely futile. Your proof isn't al-Qur'an because YOU DIDN'T DELIVER AL-QUR'AN. The Message is already here, and it was delivered by Mohammed. Why are you applying teachings about the prophet to yourself? Do you claim to be a prophet also???

And even, hypothetically, if you did deliver the Message, which is not the case since Mohammed is the final prophet, how could you claim to deliver al-Qur'an if you can't read it in it's original language? If you can't recite the Message in Arabic, you don't really know what al-Qur'an says - you need someone to translate God's Message to you!

What are you delivering that is not already delivered? Has God (The High) sent you down an English Translation of al-Qur'an, divinely inspired??? Or do you speak about The God what you do not know?

"And who does greater wrong than he who invents a lie against God when he is summoned unto submission? And God does not guide the wrongdoing people." (al-Qur'an 617)

Peace.

peace

This is an obvious lie!

4 ur info i know how to study Quran and Arabic, and i know how to translate the Quran and interpret clear meanings by my Lords leave...

And I am on a clarity from my Lord...

There is no argument between us and you. God is our Lord and your Lord. And to Him we will be gathered...

The messengers are not requred to do anything but recite the revelations. They are not requred to deliver anything new. They can come to recite the Quran to the people, and teach the Scripture and wisdom, and purify them...

If they dont, then they have not delivered their Lords messages...If you can only understand...

And the truth has come from your Lord.

Bring ten English translations of the Quran that is better than the one I have in guidance, if you truthful...And call on whoever you can besides God...

peace

jankren

Loony ... ;D

Hati

The messengers are not requred to do anything but recite the revelations. They are not requred to deliver anything new. They can come to recite the Quran to the people, and teach the Scripture and wisdom, and purify them...

If they dont, then they have not delivered their Lords messages...If you can only understand...

Salam Anthony,

I dont mind that you claim you are a messenger or Rashad or anyone else. The more claimants the better. Truth will always come out

In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but satan's promises are nothing but deception.

Let there be no compulsion in religion Truth stands out clear from Error whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.

That He might justify Truth and prove Falsehood false, distasteful though it be to those in guilt.

God knows the truth and sooner iff you are an impostor you'll be consumed by your inner-self.

If they charge thee with falsehood, say "My work to me, and yours to you! ye are free from responsibility for what I do, and I for what ye do!"

I believe in Quran and Muhammad was the last prophet.

If you bring something same as the Quran, I believe in the Quran.

God bless you.

Hati

anthonywallace