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Should we stone A. Wallace?

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    anthonywallace
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    Peace all,

    To anthonywallace,

    I believe that your enthusiasm in delivering the message is genuine and a bit compulsive; it might be due to the fact that you have lately come to understand some of the truth of the lord, which explains your hast in telling anything and everything at the same time, and sometimes (if not most? ) out of context. You need to be more patient and thoughtful about what you are saying.

    Also, I don?t think that I am from YOUR people, nor most of the members here; so technically, even if you are really a messenger of the god, you should be delivering the message to YOUR people, your family, neighbors, colleagues? And I doubt that you are talking all day long ?rehearsing? parts of the scripture (to not say ?randomly throwing parts of verses? like you do on this forum), when you are at school or at work, or when having dinner with your family.

    These are my thoughts, please don't consider it to be offensive as it is not my intention. You might ignore it continue acting like you do, but I don't think it is useful or efficient in delivering the message.

    PEace,

    Thx for the comment... and suggestions/ reminder about being paitent... And may God be paitent with us belivers...

    And no, I caint say that all day long im rehearsing parts of the Scripture, but then on the other hand I meditate on it day and night, by Gods grace. And Rehearse weather declraed secretly or declared to someone else... I dont even do it all day on this forum... But when I do speak then I would like to teach the scripture or learn something or glorify God,or have a meaninful conversation, other than that I dont really have much to talk about, on this forum nor in real life...Im not good wit small talk...And the majority of people were im at are rejecters also, including family and colleages and so on...and I am not a caretaker over none... And yes I have been paitent and mabey God will unit those who I consider enemys wit us...And whenever i can i try to save my fam fro the Hell Fire... Its not easy in this world, beacause everyone want u to think the way they think and if you dont then you are considered differnt or crazy, ect...And that kills our creative energys and a person or a strong leader caint reach his full potential unless he is understood at home...If not understood or if he doesent seek the right envirornmet then it will be very difficult for his strenth to thrive...And he may revert to the lower energys . So I guess this forum is anonther way of me expressing my self and havin them deep conversations with like minds...outside of my connection with God daily...

    i know i proby got off topic or whatever. But this is just me personally speaking. I am no more than a human being...

    I agree with the your people part, but at the same time I believe that I was sent to you all... Whatever message I have is for the whole world... weather its to recite the Quran to the world or my capital town or to bring some kind of light to someone out there on this forum who are in darkness or maby to cause some kind of rememberance,...This is a message for the world...

    peace be upon you someone

    Peace to all.

    I agree with Arnold Yasin. These verses are speaking about those who are guided rightly, not messengers. A messenger receives his commands from The God, he can't base his understanding of the Scriptures on someone else's translation of them. What if Layth's translation is incorrect? If your understanding of Arabic is different from Layth's, then you might see AW as completely misguided...

    Peace.

    Check this out... Layths translation is the basic translation I use when I read the quran dawn and at night... Because I dont read Arabic...

    However, when I need to study something, I know how to study...

    There are verses that I have changed that is different from Layth's translation... His translation is just the basic that I read from for morning and evening service, untill I translate the whole Quran myself, God willing...

    And even with the changes I made wich even thoe, I feel my interpretaion of certain verses is more clear and direct, I still wouldnt take anything from Layths translation. There are words that mean the same thing and are linked but they are just used diferrently to help the writter say what he is tryin to say...

    ?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?

    ( you all can call this what you want, and this is me personally speaking " Layths translation of Quran ( and also other translations that I have read even secetorial translation without all the extra stuff ) has been a guide and healing for me, and also for all the believers I think...

    I am on a clarity from my Lord... jedi

    I am only a warner to you...

    I am but a reminder... hmm

    peace

    Peace,

    There is a very big difference with being globally guided by a translation (as the verse clearly means) and to claim to be a messenger which must be obeyed while he doesn't know for sure even that his "commands" are really what God demands.

    So, No, the verses do not talk about messengership, but about attaining belief through keyterms that are simple to translate into their own language. But this can never account for the details and complete message of the Qur'an.

    Anthony has shown already he is not even sure what to believe or follow, look at the Hajj debate about halqiras. But now he tries to claim Layth's translation is the best, as of course he knows his messengership-claim is otherwise faulty from the start.

    As long as he just parrots the Qur'an translation, and you accept this translation of Layth, then your above test does not work.

    I do not really care about what he claims or if people believe him or not, I just responded to him when he said I had to obey him and wanted to show to him this is arrogance made through ignorance. It is just a sad powertrip.

    But I leave this alone now.

    You are the one who says that i dont know if what i command is correct or not...

    I never said i didnt know... but i said i am on a clarity from my Lord...

    I no what i believe and i no what I follow...

    Look at the Hajj debate....just look at it...and tell me how many strayes do u see...including u and everyone else who disregards 2196 ( i think )... all because they are in doubt of a word that is clear...

    No, u simply dont believe...

    Do you read quran in Arabic or do you use a translation also??? And if you use a translation, do you doubt what it says because u dont know Arabic, even if the advice was good advice rather than evil??? So what if it was from Gods inspiration, and you had rejected it.?

    Do u serve other than God what does not benifit or harm you?

    Do you know how to salat?

    And had We sent it down to some foreigner they would not have believed him...

    And most not go dispute untill the knowledge come to them, out of jeaulousy between themselves...

    You think i was being arrogant??? I dont mean to appear arrogant to anyone...and i seek refuge with my Lord that I do be of the arrogant, and if He dont forgive me and have mercy on me then i would surly be of the wicked >D

    And yes, i said be aware of God and obey me...

    4143 What is being said to you is the same that was said to the messengers before you. Your Lord has forgiveness, and a painful retribution.
    4144 And had We made it a non-Arabic compilation, they would have said ?If only its verses were made clear!? Non-Arabic and Arabic, say ?For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away.?

    Follow thou the inspiration sent unto thee, and be PATIENT and constant, till Allah do decide for He is the best to decide.
    peace

    peace

    peace

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      anthonywallace
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      My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
      But if you turn away, then I have not asked you for any reward, for my reward is with God. And I have been commanded to be of those who have submitted.

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        Elke
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        let my people go....

        sorry couldn't resist ;D

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          My people, if my position has become too troublesome for you, and my reminding you of God?s signs, then in God I place my trust. So gather your evidence and your partners, then make certain your evidence does not become against you, then come to judge me, and do not hold back.
          But if you turn away, then I have not asked you for any reward, for my reward is with God. And I have been commanded to be of those who have submitted.

          Peace,
          Please note that when you claim that you are the Messenger of Allah, you are intimidating people. You are asking people to stop thinking and follow your interpretation, which can agrees or disagrees with theirs. And that is why most of people in this forum will try to resist such power over them, which can lead them Astray if they would blindly trust you.

          Peace

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            anthonywallace
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            I am turning to my Lord... pr

            peace

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              belH
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              I am turning to my Lord... pr

              peace

              Peace

              Well; all of us should turn to our God.

              Moreover, all of us are equal in front of God, and all of us will be judged if we reject or accept the truth from Him. Such truths are in the Book, and will be recited to us by the ones who will be witness upon us in the Day of Judgement.
              You, Wakas, Samia, Arnab, and everybody else can be the ones who remind others with the Truth, and then, you will gain the Rank among Witnesses in the Day of Judgement. Nevertheless, you will have the day when others will remind you with the truth from your Lord, when you make mistakes.

              May God increase your and everybody Knowledge and wisdom.
              Peace

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                belH
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                Peace Wallace"
                The following is a Quote from you

                Pay attention and try to understand what I mean. The food that you put into your mouth doesn?t make you unclean and unfit to worship God.

                End Quote.

                So, if I eat Pork or Blood or Dead animal I'm still fit to worship Allah?

                Peace

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                  Peace Wallace"
                  The following is a Quote from you

                  Pay attention and try to understand what I mean. The food that you put into your mouth doesn?t make you unclean and unfit to worship God.

                  End Quote.

                  So, if I eat Pork or Blood or Dead animal I'm still fit to worship Allah?

                  Peace

                  peace

                  The only food I find in what is inspired to me forbidden is what is being recited to you...

                  If you are forced to eat it without being disobedient, then God is forgiving , merciful...( this verse right here tells that if u eat it doesnt make you unfit to worship God, but it is the disobediance that makes you unfit ( what has entered your heart...to my understanding thus far...)

                  If you eat pork then it will go into your stomach and then out of your body... But it wont go into your heart... What is in your heart ( Expl willfully eating pork while you know that it is forbidden, and delibritly doin it while you know ) is what make u unfit to worship Allah...( again this me personally speakin so I dont have no hardcore eveidence to support this except the verses that im qoutin from...and my understanding of these verses...)

                  The food that u put into your mouth cannot make you unclean and unfit to worship God...

                  This is a qoute from the Gospel, and I believe in the gospel...And it makes sence to me...( unless its another fabrication hmm)

                  It is the bad words/ blasmy that come out of your mouth is what makes u unfit to worship Allah...what come out of your mouth come from the heart...And God calls us to accout for what has entered our hearts not our body, to my understandin...what is in your heart is what make u unfit...

                  There is no sin upon those who believe and do good works for what they eat/ate/or consume if they are aware and believe and do good...God loves the good doers...

                  To my understandin what is in your "body" doesnt make u unfit and unclean. But what is in your "heart" is what makes you unfit and unclean.

                  This is only to my understandin...then on the other hand eating pig is " vile." So if pig is vile then eatin it is vile and i guess that makes a person vile ( unfit ) too ???

                  What do u think about it ? Do u think it makes u unfit to worship Allah??? Or am I miss something???

                  peace

                  Peace

                  Well; all of us should turn to our God.

                  Moreover, all of us are equal in front of God, and all of us will be judged if we reject or accept the truth from Him. Such truths are in the Book, and will be recited to us by the ones who will be witness upon us in the Day of Judgement.
                  You, Wakas, Samia, Arnab, and everybody else can be the ones who remind others with the Truth, and then, you will gain the Rank among Witnesses in the Day of Judgement. Nevertheless, you will have the day when others will remind you with the truth from your Lord, when you make mistakes.

                  May God increase your and everybody Knowledge and wisdom.
                  Peace

                  peace

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                    What do u think about it ? Do u think it makes u unfit to worship Allah??? Or am I miss something???

                    Peace,
                    Here are the answers from Allah

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                    O you who believe! Eat of the lawful things that We have provided you with, and be grateful to All?h, if it is indeed He Whom you worship. (172) He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of pig, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than All?h. But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, All?h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (173) Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

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                    So eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, if you are believers in His Ay?t (11 And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity? And surely many do lead astray by their own desires through lack of knowledge. Certainly your Lord knows best the transgressors (119) Leave sin, open and secret. Verily, those who commit sin will get due recompense for that which they used to commit (120) Eat not of that on which All?h's Name has not been pronounced, for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of All?h). And certainly, the Shay?tin (devils) do inspire their friends to dispute with you, and if you obey them, then you would indeed be Mushrik?n (121) Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light whereby he can walk amongst men? like him who is in the darkness from which he can never come out? Thus it is made fairseeming to the disbelievers that which they used to do. (6-122)

                    Moreover

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                    O you who believe! Eat not Rib? (usury)] doubled and multiplied, but fear All?h that you may be successful. (130) And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers. (3-131)

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                    Verily, those who unjustly eat up the property of orphans, they eat up only a fire into their bellies, and they will be burnt in the blazing Fire! (4-10)

                    If a believer earns his income from usury or by stealing the orphans money, and uses that money to buy food, such food will make him unfit.

                    Peace

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                      Peace,
                      Please note that when you claim that you are the Messenger of Allah, you are intimidating people. You are asking people to stop thinking and follow your interpretation, which can agrees or disagrees with theirs. And that is why most of people in this forum will try to resist such power over them, which can lead them Astray if they would blindly trust you.

                      Peace

                      Salaam,

                      Why Resist???
                      I cannot understand everyone should resist person named Anthony Wallace just because HE draws the attention of people at this forum to the message from the Qur?an?

                      Blind followers in this foum???
                      First of all no one blindly follows anyone in this forum there is a debate on many subjects including the one by yourself about the Soul and, since many on this forum have their own set mindset it rarely results in blind following.

                      How come Anthony Wallace is more capable of leading people astray than

                      AYMAN, who believe that Ramadan last for only ten days and always falls in July or Arnold Yasin, who believes that Mary was secretly married to Josef, or Leythe who believes in code 19, or some women who refuse to accept that the Qur?an allows more than one wife or A_A who called an irresponsible man a Momin just for taking one wife after another ???

                      In what way does anthonywallace said anything that is against the Quran? He is calling himself nothing but a human messenger and we are all human messengers, some of gossip some of idle talk and some who go beyond that?

                      Who is more capable of leading many astray than one who tries to superimpose his own image on God?s, passing judgement and striving to have the last word?

                      Look at these quotes from anthonywallace and then tell me how they are flawed

                      ...that I am one of Gods messengers

                      When I command you not to serve except God, and I order rigeousness

                      God still sends human messengers to inspire whoever He chooses... Muhammad was the last prohet... but not the last messenger

                      Stay away from them Pharises and teachers! They are like blind people leading other blind people , they all will fall into a ditch.

                      peace

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                        belH
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                        Salaam,

                        AYMAN, who believe that Ramadan last for only ten days

                        Peace'
                        And that how Wallace believe

                        Im goin with 3 or 4 days as meaning "a few", however i believe it can be ten also, i dont know thoe because ten seems to me alittle more than a few. Ten to me is a few x 2.

                        Agreement ( Fasting)

                        Desired results-

                        1. Fast for 3 or 4 days in the month of Ramadan. 2184 - 185

                        Guidelines-

                        (1.) Fast for a few ( 3 or 4 ) number of days; however, if any of you is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better for you if you knew. 2184

                        (2.)It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God?s boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous. 2187

                        (3.) And remember God during a few (3 or 4 ) number of days. Whoever hurries to two days, there is no sin upon him; and whoever delays, there is no sin upon him if he is being righteous. And be aware of God, and know that it is to Him that you will be gathered. 2203

                        Accountabilities-

                        (1.) Eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then complete the fast until night; 2187

                        Consequenses

                        Rewards -

                        3335 Surely, the submitting men, and the submitting women, the believing men, and the believing women, the dutiful men, and the dutiful women, the truthful men, and the truthful women, the patient men, and the patient women, the humble men, and the humble women, the charitable men, and the charitable women, the fasting men, and the fasting women, the men who keep covered their private parts, and the women who similarly keep covered, and the men who commemorate God frequently, and the commemorating women; God has prepared for them a forgiveness and a great recompense.

                        O0

                        Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
                        No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
                        Please read my opinion in
                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
                        Peace

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                          anthonywallace
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                          Peace,
                          Here are the answers from Allah

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                          O you who believe! Eat of the lawful things that We have provided you with, and be grateful to All?h, if it is indeed He Whom you worship. (172) He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of pig, and that which is slaughtered as a scrifice for others than All?h. But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, All?h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (173) Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

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                          Peace

                          peace

                          Again,

                          If you are forced to eat it without being disobedient and transgressing, then God is forgiving , merciful...

                          This verse right here tells that if u eat it, it doesnt make you unfit to worship God, but it is the disobediance and transgresion in a person that makes you unfit ...

                          There is no sin upon those who believe for what they eat if they are aware and believe and do good...

                          Peace,
                          Here are the answers from Allah

                          Verily, those who conceal what All?h has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain therewith (of worldly things), they eat into their bellies nothing but fire. All?h will not speak to them on the Day of Resurrection, nor purify them, and theirs will be a painful torment. (2-174)

                          So eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, if you are believers in His Ay?t (11 And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which All?h's Name has been pronounced, while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity? And surely many do lead astray by their own desires through lack of knowledge. Certainly your Lord knows best the transgressors (119) Leave sin, open and secret. Verily, those who commit sin will get due recompense for that which they used to commit (120) Eat not of that on which All?h's Name has not been pronounced, for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of All?h). And certainly, the Shay?tin (devils) do inspire their friends to dispute with you, and if you obey them, then you would indeed be Mushrik?n (121) Is he who was dead and We gave him life and set for him a light whereby he can walk amongst men? like him who is in the darkness from which he can never come out? Thus it is made fairseeming to the disbelievers that which they used to do. (6-122)

                          Moreover

                          O you who believe! Eat not Rib? (usury)] doubled and multiplied, but fear All?h that you may be successful. (130) And fear the Fire, which is prepared for the disbelievers. (3-131)

                          Verily, those who unjustly eat up the property of orphans, they eat up only a fire into their bellies, and they will be burnt in the blazing Fire! (4-10)

                          If a believer earns his income from usury or by stealing the orphans money, and uses that money to buy food, such food will make him unfit.

                          Peace

                          The above is due to a disease in the heart and disobeidence. Or it is the result of such...

                          God calls us to accout for what has entered our hearts not our body,...what is in your heart is what make u unfit..

                          the food that u put into your "body" doesnt make u unfit and unclean. But what is in your "heart" is what makes you unfit and unclean.

                          If you eat up the orhans food unjustly then that is because you have a bad heart...Or if you demand usury while you know the law, but u do not give it up, then you have a bad heart,and if you dont mention Gods name over your food u are indeed strayed, and those who coceal what Allah has sent down of the Book, and purchase a small gain theirwith , they have disease in their heart, ,, an those who have bad hearts what they gain from it and eat is the Fire ( While they think they eatin good food )...they are eating as the cattle eat...

                          The food ( Fire) you put into your body doesent go into the heart, but into the stomach...And then out of your body...it doesent stay there...

                          God is forgiver, merciful...

                          Thats what I get out of it all these verses...

                          peace hmm

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                            Peace'
                            And that how Wallace believe

                            Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
                            No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
                            Please read my opinion in
                            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
                            Peace

                            peace

                            Yes you should fast for three days...if His messenger says so...

                            If we are using the word few... we all know that a " few" is

                            not too many/ middling/ several/ a small number/ a handful/ not so many as one might expect / a number that can be counted on ones fingers/ 3 or 4...

                            thus 10 days would be two handfuls instead of one...But on the contrary ten is also a number that can be counted on fingers ( but using both hands )

                            5 days would be one handful/ middling...

                            several = more than two or three but not many ( about 4 or 6 )...

                            With all of this I would suggest one to fast 3-10 days untill further notice... And whoever hurrys to two days then there is no sin upon them if they are being righteous...

                            3- 10 days would be a good suggestion to make because there is no specific number mentioned ( e.g. the numbers 3 nor ten nor 30 days ). 3 would be the minimum and ten being the max fast days for the month of Rahmadan...

                            peace

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                              However, the word few is most commonly defined as 3...and has been always known as such...

                              Therefore, 3 or 4 is closer to being a " few " than 10 is...

                              eat

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                                This is what I see

                                First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

                                If you fast for 3 days it is acceptable, and if you fast 10 days it is acceptable, and if you fast 30 days it is acceptable... handshake

                                And whatever good you put forth for yourselves you will find it with Allah...

                                And He will hold you for what you "intend." elektro

                                And whoever can fast,but with difficulty; eat eat then he may redeem by feeding a poor person handshake ...but if u fast then that is better for you if you only knew... ! muscle

                                And if can only fast 2 days then there is no sin upon you if you are being righteous. eat

                                " Let each work according to his own, your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path." jedi

                                O you who believe, do not be seperated, hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you. And remember Gods blessing upon you when you were enemys and He united your hearts. Then you became, with His blessing, as brothers; group and you were on the edge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it; police it is thus that God clarifies for you His signs that you may be guided. jedi

                                And let there be a nation from amonst you which calls towards goodness, and orders kindness, and deters from evil. And these are the successful ones. group

                                And do not be like those who seperated and differed after the clarity had come to them. And for them is a painful retribution. elektro voodoo voodoo elektro confused confused

                                God is fully aware of their number. And none know them except a few.

                                There is no specific number mention. nope This means that each individual will be held for what they intend, and each individual shall fast according to their way... handshake

                                As long as you fast 3 or more days in the month of ramadan, then it is acceptable... handshake

                                And Rahmadan is hear and this is end of discussion about it,the truth has come from your Lord, while falshood has perished. falshood is always bound to perish! jedi...unless im missin somethig hmm Hey im only a human messenger, i make mistakes too...

                                peace

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                                  Peace,

                                  This is what I see

                                  First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

                                  This is where you lost me.

                                  The Qu'ran repeatedly says "Obey God and the Messenger;" but that doesn't mean that because someone comes up to us and says they are a Messenger and recites scripture that we should obey them.

                                  3367 And they will say ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?

                                  Save us from this, Lord! We have learned this lesson from the Sunni.

                                  And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for." (1736)

                                  If you ask me to accept what you say on religion without explaining where in the Qu'ran you got that from then you are violating that command from God. Also, if you provide proof from the Qu'ran to support you but it is taken out of context or mistranslated or otherwise distorted from it's true meaning, then you are not delivering the Message and are not a Messenger and I ought not to obey you. We have learned this lesson from the Submitters.

                                  I don't have any aversion to you or what you believe, but I think those of us here already have the Message (in several mediums and translations) and so do not need the Messenger. Deciphering the message is what our goal is here, not finding a Messenger to decipher it for us (they would not be a Messenger but a Decipherer or Interpreter, and the Qu'ran does not say to follow those). But I only speak for myself. Thanks for your concern though!

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                                    Peace'
                                    And that how Wallace believe

                                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.0
                                    Peace

                                    Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                                    Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                                    Now, if Wallac is Rassol Allah, then his opinion will influense everybody.
                                    No one can disobey God's Messanger; thus, Should I Fast for three days?
                                    Please read my opinion in

                                    Absolutely! But, as I said, no one is going to accept him as a messenger blindly, so no question of following him and, as I see him he's not much different from quite a few on this forum except I find him a bit amusing. Such selfproclaimed "Inspired Messengers" are not rare; one wellknown is Bush junior, so he said, inspired by God; then you have seen where he is leaving the world. elektro

                                    peace

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                                      However, the word few is most commonly defined as 3...and has been always known as such...

                                      Therefore, 3 or 4 is closer to being a " few " than 10 is...

                                      eat

                                      Salaam anthonywhallace

                                      You are not simply passing on the message but telling others your interpretation; not much different from pharasies or a teacher huh. (
                                      I suggest you stop claiming to be one of the inspired messengers of God, hypno or you may end up like General Zia ul Haq(ex president of Pakistan) who believed he was chosen and inspired by God. For a bit of fiction mixed with facts please do read ?The case of exploding mangoes? by Hanif Mohammad and roll with laughter. rotfl

                                      peace

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                                        First of all, be aware of God and obey me. police

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                                        It is not possible for any human being to whom All?h has given the Book and wisdom and Prophethood to say to the people "obey me rather than All?h's." On the contrary "Be people of God, for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." (3-79)

                                        Peace everyone

                                        Wallace is trying to brainwash you, by speaking the words of God and then invoke his own words.

                                        His view of Fasting is based on a misunderstanding of 2-184 and 185; thus he is normal humanbeing who might make mistakes sometimes.
                                        Wallace' please read my understanding of fasting in the link I provided you.

                                        Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                                        Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                                        Peace,
                                        You welcome; my advice to you and every body else, Hold tight on your Book and do not obey anybody else BUT ALLAH.

                                        he's not much different from quite a few on this forum except I find him a bit amusing.
                                        peace

                                        But be aware, most of the people that you comparing him to never claimed being God's Messangers !

                                        Peace and may God Bless You

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                                          It is not possible for any human being to whom All?h has given the Book and wisdom and Prophethood to say to the people "obey me rather than All?h's." On the contrary "Be people of God, for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly." (3-79)

                                          Peace everyone

                                          Wallace is trying to brainwash you, by speaking the words of God and then invoke his own words.

                                          His view of Fasting is based on a misunderstanding of 2-184 and 185; thus he is normal humanbeing who might make mistakes sometimes.
                                          Wallace' please read my understanding of fasting in the link I provided you.

                                          Peace,

                                          This is an obvious lie! I never said to the people to obey me instead of God... But I did say be aware of God and obey me...

                                          Im not tryin to brainwash anyone, but to clarify for them and to set free the brainwashed...and to clarify to the 3,10,and 30 day faster believers what they dispute in... ( no muslim shall be harmed for the number of days they fast in rahmadan ). weather u fast 3,10,or 30 days it is acceptable wit your Lord...and He will not waste the reward of neither worker...

                                          I have read some of ur post but not all of it...and my veiw still stands... and we all know that a " few " means the lesser... meaning that 3 days is less than 10 and 30 days...

                                          Rahmadan has a total of 30 fasting days... 3 days are obligatory and 27 are optional...

                                          Once a intention for a certain number of days ( 3, 10,or 30 ) days has been formed, one should fast the full 3,10,or 30 days. The submitter has a choice of fasting for more than three days but are not obligated to...

                                          Once a muslim begins with intention to fast a certain number of days, it becomes obligatory upon him to complete it. If he breaks it he becomes a sinner and shall have to make up on different days...so if u sunnis intend to fast 30 days then u shall complete it, and if u intend to fast 3, or ten days then u shall complete the count....God will hold each of u for what u intend...

                                          and im not done with this yet, im still gatherin the details for Rahmadan... But this is my view thus far... and im usually right about these things... but hey, i could be wronge... but I dont think so...

                                          peace

                                          Salaam anthonywhallace

                                          You are not simply passing on the message but telling others your interpretation; not much different from pharasies or a teacher huh.
                                          I suggest you stop claiming to be one of the inspired messengers of God, hypno or you may end up like General Zia ul Haq(ex president of Pakistan) who believed he was chosen and inspired by God. For a bit of fiction mixed with facts please do read ?The case of exploding mangoes? by Hanif Mohammad and roll with laughter. rotfl

                                          peace

                                          God is suffecient for me...

                                          Peace,

                                          This is where you lost me.

                                          sorry, couldnt resist sayin " be aware of God and obey me " tempt

                                          didnt mean to offend or appear arrogant...But I am a trustworthy messenger to you...and i admit i could have kept that comment in this post, but its still the same wit me weather i did or didnt post it...

                                          get back later...

                                          Salaam brother Belalhammad,

                                          Thank you for informing us of A. Wallac's view on fasting, I missed this side of him and thanks again for giving link to your understandings.

                                          peace

                                          How could u turn away now, after you had already witnessed that the messenger is true?

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