a HOT Question, Please I need every body help in a SOUL Question?
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But when checking all the occurrences of the various forms of the word ?zwj? in the great reading, one can see that it cannot mean ?joined?, either linguistically or logically. The term ?zwj? is used to attach two things together but the two parts are still distinct as opposed to joining them into one entity. So a husband and wife are paired not joined into a single person.
Pairing would mean joining two things, either have the same physical martial such as water, or have two different physical martial such as a half of an apple and a half of an orange. In the first case, there is no physical barrier, thus the two amount of water will become one. Thus, pairing two Souls is the same as joining them, because there is no physical barrier (as male body and female body)
For example, 567 talks about ?three pairs? not ?three joints? or ?three jointed?.
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Ali Yousuf
And ye shall be sorted out into three classes. (7) Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right Hand what will be the Companions of the Right Hand? ( And the Companions of the Left hand what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? (9) And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). (10)Ayman, God says that there will be three type of Souls (Souls after being joined).
In 5021-27, each individual self (i.e. there are many selves) is clearly paired with a ?driver and witness?. This ?driver and witness? is called the ?qarin? meaning something like the ?constant companion? or ?counterpart?. So perhaps this is the ?pairing? talked about in 817.
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And there will come forth every soul with each will be a driver, and a witness. (21)Each Soul, I believe before being joined, will be accompanied by an Angle and a Witness. There is Hugh difference between ?Zwjet? (81-7) and ?Mahah?, which is used in 50-21.
If the resurrection goes through a similar process as the original creation then perhaps out of the first single self will come out other selves. If this is the case, then in this process the selves are not ?joined? but would be multiplied. Each self would be paired with its ?qarin?. There would then be three types of pairs as indicated in 567.
There is no way that one Soul will be Split into
Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right what will be the Companions of the Right? ( And the Companions of the Left what will be the Companions of the Left? (9) And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). (10)But the verse (31-3, as you were a Single Soul when created, you will be a Single Soul when resurrected. It is a
VERY-WELL-ESTABLISHED-MEANING-VERSEAyman, I think we only can agree if you are welling to evaluate such new meaning while ignoring the privious teaching.
May God Bless you and increace your wisdom peace
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Salaam Belalhammad
Please reflect on something, which is only my understanding
The ancient Greeks, like all tribes, received guidance from God and they too believed in a supreme god Zeus.
To me it appears that they called ?Malaika? gods.Read the ancient Greek mythology, mixed with the universal message, and if we comb out the mythology (green) we can see the similarities.
/Adam) could walk upright as men now do, backwards or forwards as he pleased, and he could also roll over and over at a great pace, turning on his four hands and four feet, eight in all, like tumblers going over and over with their legs in the airthis was when he wanted to run fast
Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great,
( 231 And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."
and they made an attack upon the gods..
(234 And behold, We said to the angels "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis he refused and was haughty He was of those who reject Faith. )
(1850 Behold! We said to the angels, "Bow down to Adam" They bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns, and he broke the Command of his Lord. Will ye then take him and his progeny as protectors rather than Me? And they are enemies to you! Evil would be the exchange for the wrong-doers!)
Doubt reigned in the celestial councils.
(230 Behold, thy Lord said to the angels "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not." )
Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants,(dianasours?).. then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained. At last, after a good deal of reflection, Zeus (king of the gods) discovered a way. He said 'Methinks I have a plan which will humble their pride and improve their manners; men shall continue to exist, but I will cut them in two and then they will be diminished in strength and increased in numbers; this will have the advantage of making them more profitable to us. They shall walk upright on two legs, and if they continue insolent and will not be quiet, I will split them again and they shall hop about on a single leg.Allah knows best, HE is mighty wise, and has power over all things
7838 The Day that the Spirit and the angels will stand forth in ranks, none shall speak except any who is permitted by ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and He will say what is right.See Origional textPrimeval man
Link http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulmatepeace
Peace Frida,
If we think about the assumption of joining the Souls (Male and Female), our imagination can go Wild and out of control; thus, I want to advice myself and everybody to restrain our Imagination and not conclude about the Unseen what were not taught to us in the Book.
For example, I can imagine that the reason humans are always in the hunt for comforting their selves (Souls) is due to their defected Soul (a Soul that is missing a part). Is my imagination wrong or true? it is not a Fact because God did not say that in the Book (as far as I know).Thus, reading opinions of people about the unseen, and conclude it is true without proof from the book is &
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peace Ayman, Belal, all,
I checked Project Root List and it has it under two roots 1659 as Dal-Siin-Siin, and 9110 as Dal-Siin-Waw but this latter one has no reference in Lane, so it is possible it is Dal-Siin-Siin. Can you let me know? Thanks.
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
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I would think that by using the words "zaka" and "dassaha" it is implying that we have inherent potential for both paths good and bad. So, one can develop/better/grow/purify/uncover/actualise it or one can cover/bury/corrupt/hide/disintigrate it.
As a side note, it would be interesting to compile a Quranic list on both directions, and use it in things like rehabilitation.
Peace Wakas,
The arabic words can go wild in their meanings; in other words, one arabic word can be used to imply many meanings.
Dassaha root word is Das (one Siin), which means hide something (cover); but also can be used to imply other meanings, such as Lowreing ones selves, or corrupting your Souls (that was pure at the start).Can I ask you a Question Why God call you "Insan", which means two Ins; please note that the "an" if joined to any Arabic word would imply two.
Peace
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peace Ayman, Belal, all,
I checked Project Root List and it has it under two roots 1659 as Dal-Siin-Siin, and 9110 as Dal-Siin-Waw but this latter one has no reference in Lane, so it is possible it is Dal-Siin-Siin. Can you let me know? Thanks.
Salaam Wakas
You are right. The root is Daal Seen Seen, and it means (to hide/burry, usually an unpleasant thing). This verb is also used in verse 1659.
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rajul does not mean man....it means one that is literally "walking about" the way the word is used suggests someone who is active.
nisa means one that is delayed/uplifted and does not mean woman.Peace Arnab;
I did not want to debate this because we will go off topic, but I will share this verse with you, where it show Nesa is Female( (
They ask thee concerning menstruation. Say They are a hurt; so keep away from women in their menstruation, and do not approach them until they are purified (from Blood). But when they are purified, ye may approach them in a manner that is ordained for you by Allah. for Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. (222) Your women are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will. but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah, and know that ye are to meet Him, and give good tidings to those who believe. (2-223)
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Peace Belal,
The reason the Soul and Spirit is interchangeable (In Moslem world as well) is due to the lack of understanding the nature of Humans. After more than seven years of research, God give me the wisdom to understand it, and I would love to share what I know with everybody; so, please if you can suggest a place were I can post a brief of my research. For the time being I will try to shade some of my understanding in this thread.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this thread.
Yes, because the Self (the Soul) is guided by the emotions that are being produced by our body (as God showed in verse 91-7 & 8 ?He perfected the Soul and made its Comfort and distress Zone?), which either a negative emotions Group or Positive group.
Based on how those words are used in other places in the great reading, I don't think that "fujuraha" and "taqwaha" means "distress" and "comfort". Also, distress or negative emotions are not a bad thing. Sometimes you watch a sad movie or read a sad story and you get distressed but then you come out with a positive lesson out of it and so you get "distressed" in a good way.
When some one gets drunk, he or she (self--Soul) will lose what has been stored in his brain regarding behavioral guidences.
Exactly, the self is closely tied to the physical aspect.
Yes, if we still hold unclear definition of Soul; but using Self or Soul is the same as using the word Nafs.
Killing happens as follow
The Ruh (the Spirit) that gives the Body the energy to be alive will depart, which will make the Self (Soul) to die in this Life; the body is what the Soul needs in this earth in order to be visible.
The following is a Quotation from my research (Copy Right 2004)
The human is a combination of a) his bodily part with its needs and harms that are the same in all humans on earth, and b) psychological part with its needs and harms that are not the same from one culture to another, from one person to another within one culture, and from time to time within the same human during his lifecycle. The emotional well-being of Human (Self or Soul)?The comfort Zone of their Souls?of all humans will depend on their success in fulfilling the two parts? needs, and preventing the two parts? harms.I don't think that we should even be talking about the "ruh" or spirit because anything we say is going to be pure speculation. Energy is a measurable physical thing. I don't think that our "body" is simply about visibility. I think that our body has much more purpose than this superficial aspect.
When we are sleeping, our Souls (our Nafs) are dead in this life (39-42, 6-60).
Yes, sleeping is a physical activity. So again, this shows that the self is closely tied to the human body.
Yes, but they are bits and pieces and there is no complete theory that can define any given human being (Moslem, Christian, Chinese, Arab).
There will never be such theory. Even the great reading doesn't give a complete theory that can define any given human being. It only gives us what we need to be guided towards the truth.
Dassaha is opposite of Zaka; thus if dassaha means Cover then Zaka would mean uncover. So, would you say that if someone who has an evil Self, he is covering his Self, or would be better if we say he corrupted his self (his Soul).
But it is not the opposite of "zaka" and "zaka" doesn't mean "uncover". "Dassaha" (cover it) has the opposite effect of "zakaha" but it is not the antonym. To understand this, you have to go back and understand what the ?self? means. The self is the real/true you. So by definition, the self is the truth. It follows that when one is covering the self, one is covering the truth.
The god inspired to the self ?fujuraha? (its unrestrained behavior) and ?taqwaha? (its forethoughtfulness). The god doesn?t burden any self beyond its capacity. When one covers the self by suppressing the natural instincts inspired to it by the god, then one would achieve the opposite effect of ?zaka?/betterment and would corrupt the self. So the next question is how do we cover the self? Since the self is the true you then by definition the only thing that covers truth is falsehood. So the next logical question is where does falsehood fundamentally come from?
Pairing would mean joining two things, either have the same physical martial such as water, or have two different physical martial such as a half of an apple and a half of an orange. In the first case, there is no physical barrier, thus the two amount of water will become one. Thus, pairing two Souls is the same as joining them, because there is no physical barrier (as male body and female body)
The concept of pairing is different to the concept of making into one. When you pair two things, the end result is that they become a ?pair?. So by pairing two shoes, they become a pair of shoes. If you agree that ?zwj? means ?pair? then you should use the concept as it is and not invent new meanings based on convoluted justifications.
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Ali Yousuf
And ye shall be sorted out into three classes. (7) Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right Hand what will be the Companions of the Right Hand? ( And the Companions of the Left hand what will be the Companions of the Left Hand? (9) And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). (10)
Ayman, God says that there will be three type of Souls (Souls after being joined).
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And there will come forth every soul with each will be a driver, and a witness. (21)How can there be three pairs after being joined? This is a contradiction. The god tells us that in the ending the creation will be brought back in the same way that it was originally created. We were originally created from one self that reproduced all other selves. So in the ending, we will also be brought back from one self that will also reproduce all other selves.
Each Soul, I believe before being joined, will be accompanied by an Angle and a Witness. There is Hugh difference between ?Zwjet? (81-7) and ?Mahah?, which is used in 50-21.
There is no way that one Soul will be Split into
Then (there will be) the Companions of the Right what will be the Companions of the Right? ( And the Companions of the Left what will be the Companions of the Left? (9) And those Foremost (in Faith) will be Foremost (in the Hereafter). (10)
But the verse (31-3, as you were a Single Soul when created, you will be a Single Soul when resurrected. It is a
VERY-WELL-ESTABLISHED-MEANING-VERSEI hope that you can see the contradiction in your statement. Again, the god tells us that in the ending the creation will be brought back in the same way that it was originally created. So in the ending, we will be brought back from one self that will reproduce all other selves. Each self is paired with a ?qarin? (companion) who will drive it and be witness against it. There is no mention of an ?angel?. So the question is who is this ?qarin?? The answer to this question is closely related to the answer to our questions above about the self and where falsehood fundamentally comes from.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam arnab. I researched your replies. While I respect your study, I wil share with you and members of this forum the results of my research.
The word rajl is approximately the same as the word regal in english. The connection between the Aramaic regel, arabic rajl, and english regal is the representation of the foot. It has long been the representation, that the foot is a symbol of authority. You can examine hieroglyphs, cartouches, friezes all over the ancient world. The symbol of the foot over a people or person, is a representation of the authority of the person with the foot over those whom they have authority.
This long standing representation exists in the Middle East to this day. Walking over the representation of another entity is to demonstrate authority over that entity. Those of Middle Eastern descent are also aware of how the sole of a shoe is used to represent that dominance.
Now let me draw your attention to the first recitation/quran of Allah/Elohim, in the book that has been named the Torah. You are advised to review the instances of the use of the term regel. In ALL cases the regel is that of a man. WITHOUT exception whenever the word regel is used it is referring to the regel of a man. There is NO usage of regel with a woman WHATSOEVER.
Washing the feet of a man, whether washing the feet of Moses, or Haroon, or Esa, is well documented in the Torah and Injeel. There is no woman whose foot is mentioned. This is clear indication that regel, rajl, regal, represents man, and the authority of man, as represented by the english term husband.
When it comes to the term nisa. You correctly identified the Aramaic nsha and the Arabic nisa. You cited the "to lift, bear, take, carry" defintion. A wife does lift a child, a wife does bear a child, a wife does take the husband, the wife does carry the child. Studies of antiquity inform us the term "the one who takes" has always been used to represent a wife. Even in pagan Roman and Greek cultures which were coexistant with the early Muslim world.
Therefore even by the results of your research, I submit rajl means man and husband, and nisa means woman and wife.
Allah is the the one who taught man the names of all things.
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Peace Belal,
Based on how those words are used in other places in the great reading, I don't think that "fujuraha" and "taqwaha" means "distress" and "comfort".
Peace Ayman;
Let us start with Fujuraha.
The root word is "Fajer", which mean "burst". Please note how the root word are being used in 17-90 & 91, 18-33, 36-34, 54-12, 17-91, 76-6, 82-3, 2-74, 2-60.
Thus, Fujur the Nafs is the state where Nefs feels like it is about to burst out of the body. Here how negative feeling should be explainedHumans become stressed when experiencing negative emotions?unwanted feelings. For examples, they have fear feelings when experiencing dangerous situations; sad feelings when experiencing the death of loved ones; angry feelings when discovering that someone misled them; and stressed feelings when failing to achieve a certain goal. It can be noted that each experienced situation, which leads to negative emotions, is different from one another, and therefore, humans name the associated negative emotions differently (e.g., anger, sadness, stress, anxiety); but all are unwanted and un-welcomed situations that humans try not to experience due to its negative feelings.
The following is a quotation from a study that was published in the Society For Neuroscience (2005)
When we experience a stressful situation, our stress system activates a slew of biological mechanisms that boost our strength and energy, among other functions, to help us cope. Accumulating research, however, indicates that perpetual or intense stress sometimes may harm the brain and its function. Such findings are leading to a better understanding of how environmental factors can influence the brain.
The article also indicates that the research reveals relationships between the level of stress that a human experience from a traumatic event and some psychological disorder, such as post-traumatic stress disorder. Moreover, when humans face a high level of stress, their stress system can be over-activated, which can affect the function and the production of the negative brain monoamines, leading to harm in many ways.
And that is how God made the Fujur of Nafs.The word Takowaha root word is "Yaky" which means shield. In all Quran, it was used to imply such a meaning. Thus, takwa the Nefs is state where Nafs is shield from being harmed (from the negative emotion); and when in the state of Takwa, the Soul is in the Comfort Zone (in the state of relaxation).
Also, distress or negative emotions are not a bad thing. Sometimes you watch a sad movie or read a sad story and you get distressed but then you come out with a positive lesson out of it and so you get "distressed" in a good way.
When we try to fulfill any need, we have to pay the cost. The cost is the negative emotion that we need to pay in order to fulfill the need; and when we fulfill the need, we get our ultimate reward--the positive emotion.
Can you note that is what drives Nefs, the Positive and the Negative emotions.Let me give you some Scientific explanation of what goes in our brain
According to Hamer (2004), Edelman (1992) concluded the following to be the scientific explanations of human consciousness
His theory starts by describing the human brain and its parts. He divides the brain into two different nervous systems. The first is the thalamus system, which is located within the center of the brains. The thalamus acts as the final stop for all the information that is collected by human senses from the outside world. The thalamus outputs are then sent to the cortex. The cortex system is the outer part of the brain that carries the function of memory, planning, control of movement, and perception. The second system is the limbic-brain stem system, which is the connector between the body and the brain. The stem system carries the functions of emotional responses and memory; also, it lets the brain know what is going on in the body parts in order to adjust to any condition (such as raising the body temperature when humans have a flu virus in their system, or signaling the hunger feeling when the body needs food).
His theory indicates that the communication that goes on between the two systems is what defines human consciousness. In other words, when humans see an object, the thalamus system communicates the scene to the stem system, which produces an emotion regarding such a scene. The limbic stem system is about emotions, and the thalamus is about scenes. The outputs of the limbic system are the good and bad monoamines that make humans feel happy or sad.?The reaction in both sets of brains was intense. The brains reflexively sought to fulfill desires or avoid humiliation ?. These words were said by Quartz (Hotz, R. 2005), a director of a social cognitive neuroscience laboratory, when witnessing a group of volunteers? brains using scanning equipment. His study was conducted to understand the effect of different brands in humans? brains.
(Hotz R., (February 27, 2005). Searching For The Why Of Buy, Researchers scan for insight into how marketing may brand the brain's preference for products and politicians. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved February 04, 2006, from http//www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-brain27feb27,0,3899978.story?coll=la-home-headlines)Exactly, the self is closely tied to the physical aspect.
Yes, the Self is guided by the physical emotions (the brain hermons)
I don't think that we should even be talking about the "ruh" or spirit because anything we say is going to be pure speculation. Energy is a measurable physical thing.
The energy that keep us alive is not Physically measurable; in other words, the body of dead person would have the same wight when was alive. No one can deny that the Ruh is what make our body alive (the Quran says that)
Yes, sleeping is a physical activity. So again, this shows that the self is closely tied to the human body.
No, when sleep the body is alive (because of ruh) but the Soul is Dead.
When God said
It was We who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (50-16)
Do you think that is a hint for the Ruh?
There will never be such theory. Even the great reading doesn't give a complete theory that can define any given human being. It only gives us what we need to be guided towards the truth.
Ayman, when saying will never, you are stating the Ultimate Fact without a guidence from Quran. God never said that he would not reaveal such knowledege to whom he pleases.
Yes, there is one that is proven in the Quran (Chapter 91).But it is not the opposite of "zaka" and "zaka" doesn't mean "uncover". "Dassaha" (cover it) has the opposite effect of "zakaha" but it is not the antonym. To understand this, you have to go back and understand what the ?self? means. The self is the real/true you. So by definition, the self is the truth. It follows that when one is covering the self, one is covering the truth.
The god inspired to the self ?fujuraha? (its unrestrained behavior) and ?taqwaha? (its forethoughtfulness). The god doesn?t burden any self beyond its capacity. When one covers the self by suppressing the natural instincts inspired to it by the god, then one would achieve the opposite effect of ?zaka?/betterment and would corrupt the self. So the next question is how do we cover the self? Since the self is the true you then by definition the only thing that covers truth is falsehood. So the next logical question is where does falsehood fundamentally come from?
The concept of pairing is different to the concept of making into one. When you pair two things, the end result is that they become a ?pair?. So by pairing two shoes, they become a pair of shoes. If you agree that ?zwj? means ?pair? then you should use the concept as it is and not invent new meanings based on convoluted justifications.
How can there be three pairs after being joined? This is a contradiction. The god tells us that in the ending the creation will be brought back in the same way that it was originally created. We were originally created from one self that reproduced all other selves. So in the ending, we will also be brought back from one self that will also reproduce all other selves.
I hope that you can see the contradiction in your statement. Again, the god tells us that in the ending the creation will be brought back in the same way that it was originally created. So in the ending, we will be brought back from one self that will reproduce all other selves. Each self is paired with a ?qarin? (companion) who will drive it and be witness against it. There is no mention of an ?angel?. So the question is who is this ?qarin?? The answer to this question is closely related to the answer to our questions above about the self and where falsehood fundamentally comes from.
Peace,
Ayman
As far as Pair, do not forget that God gave you a name that implies a Pair of human--Insan (Ins + an).
Well, I will let others reflect in your and my understanding, which are completly different.
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Peace Ayman
To understand this, you have to go back and understand what the ?self? means. The self is the real/true you. So by definition, the self is the truth. It follows that when one is covering the self, one is covering the truth.
You are saying that the self is the true me...OK. Then you are saying if I cover it, then I'm covering the Truth... How about if yourself has an evil habit; based on your opinion, I should show that part. Is this what did you mean?
The god inspired to the self ?fujuraha? (its unrestrained behavior) and ?taqwaha? (its forethoughtfulness).
Please, show me the Root word meaning of "Fager" and "Taka", which means what you said.
The god doesn?t burden any self beyond its capacity. When one covers the self by suppressing the natural instincts inspired to it by the god, then one would achieve the opposite effect of ?zaka?/betterment and would corrupt the self.
Do you mean everybody should follow his inspired instincts and not cover it? So, do you mean I should run arround and have Sex and not cover and control such inspired Instinct?
So the next question is how do we cover the self? Since the self is the true you then by definition the only thing that covers truth is falsehood. So the next logical question is where does falsehood fundamentally come from?
Ayman, your understanding is falling a part; please rethink it again.
The concept of pairing is different to the concept of making into one. When you pair two things, the end result is that they become a ?pair?.
Yes, if the two things are different from each other; but the Male Soul is not different from the Female Soul, were they were one Soul before?
Ayman, ignor the Physical Barrier that exist in this life--the Body.So by pairing two shoes, they become a pair of shoes. If you agree that ?zwj? means ?pair? then you should use the concept as it is and not invent new meanings based on convoluted justifications.
Ayman, if I give you Eight halfs of Apple, that were four apples before, and tell you Zwaj them; what is the result?
How can there be three pairs after being joined? This is a contradiction.
May be they are not Joined yet, and will be joined when entring Heaven or Hellfire? Maybe, God will call each two joined Souls "Zwaj" or keep our name "Insan", which means two Ins (Ins + an= Two Ins).
The god tells us that in the ending the creation will be brought back in the same way that it was originally created. We were originally created from one self that reproduced all other selves. So in the ending, we will also be brought back from one self that will also reproduce all other selves.
How? and what is your proof? The other verse supports the Pairing (81-7), which means two and not billions of Nafs.
Each self is paired with a ?qarin? (companion) who will drive it and be witness against it.
Why did you drop the Witness and made the driver a witness as well?
Peace
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Peace all,
I want all of you to ask yourselves the following
Why God will reward the Believers with Wives and Kids, whom he made and not produced as in our life (male and female), in Heaven?
And if such a reward is for a male believer, what is the reward for a Female believer?
Why God never spoke about the reward of the Female believer?
And for some of you who think that the female believer would become one of the many wives of the male believer (as hadith says), why God did not say that in Quran? Why Females have to be always a reward for males?
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Peace all,
I want all of you to ask yourselves the following
Why God will reward the Believers with Wives and Kids, whom he made and not produced as in our life (male and female), in Heaven?
And if such a reward is for a male believer, what is the reward for a Female believer?
Why God never spoke about the reward of the Female believer?
And for some of you who think that the female believer would become one of the many wives of the male believer (as hadith says), why God did not say that in Quran? Why Females have to be always a reward for males?
peaceYou are interpreting everything as such, but that is your interpretation which is not warranted by the Quran. Where is the mention of kids for males in the Quran in Paradise? Where is the exclusion of women? Where do you leave all the meanings meaning of both sexes which are in the quran and which you seem to be choosing to ignore? Why do you interpret that the ghulam are meant for males and not females? Where do you leave the fact that the Quran is speaking in images? Why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that God is trying to convey to our limited understanding some of the "feeling" of paradise which is beyonf our grasp by using images of beauty, of fulfillment, of purity, of peace? Why everything in you mind turns into sex?
Belalhamd, there is no breeding in Paradise. Earth is not Paradise. Why are you so much bent on turning paradise into a parody of earth? Why don't you understand that to the image of the female or the young are attached meanings of beauty and purity and humility and that that is the image with which our Rabb conveys something He wishes us to envision? If somebody told you that you have pearls in your mouth and not teeth, would you start looking for the oyster they came from?
I am not telling you anything more about this. I find it so obvious that I struggle that somebody would still cling to this need to make Paradise a second earth where we can sort of compensate for all the "wishes" we cannot fulfill on earth because we are afraid to sin, but which by some miracle will not be sin in Paradise. If that is what one wants, why not go after it here. What makes you think that wanting big boobs here may be not right and that it will be right in Paradise?
Excuse me if I sound coarse, as I say, I struggle to think that somebody sees in the beautiful and gentle images of Quran some sucedaneous for those things we "value" on earth. What do you value on earth so much that you also want to find in Paradise?
Salaam, brother Belalhamd, may God lead you to Paradise, the true one
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Peace all,
I want all of you to ask yourselves the following
Why God will reward the Believers with Wives and Kids, whom he made and not produced as in our life (male and female), in Heaven?
And if such a reward is for a male believer, what is the reward for a Female believer?
Why God never spoke about the reward of the Female believer?
And for some of you who think that the female believer would become one of the many wives of the male believer (as hadith says), why God did not say that in Quran? Why Females have to be always a reward for males?
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[/quoHere is sunni belief
http//www.slate.com/id/2160963/
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But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord, there will be two Gardens-
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
Containing all kinds (of trees and delights);-
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach).
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched
Surah 3195
So their Lord accepted their prayer That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female?Surah 4194
And whoever does good deeds whether male or female and he (or she) is a believer ? these shall enter the garden, and they shall not be dealt with a jot unjustly.Surah 1697
Whoever does good whether male or female and he is a believer, We will most certainly make him live a happy life, and We will most certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did.Surah 3335
Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember ? Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward.Surah 3656
They and their wives shall be in shades, reclining on raised couchesSurah 3934
They will have with their Lord whatever they desire; that is the reward of those who do good.Surah 4370
Enter the garden, you and your wives; you shall be made happy.Hmm! equal award. Sounds fair to me. Perhaps the idea behind this all is companionship in Jannah in return for restrain from evil deeds in this world.
Note that Surah Rahman first mentions all other rewards such as gardens, flowing springs, fruits, carpets etc. first and then, at the very end, makes a mention of the hoors.
If any do deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter Jannah, and not the least injustice will be done to them." (Surah an-Nisa124)
"Shall He who has created (all things) not know? He is the Subtle, the Aware." (Surah Mulk 14)
Therein you shall have (all) that your inner-selves desire" (Surah Fussilat31-32)"Gardens of perpetual bliss they shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring." (Surah ar-Ra`d 23)
"Enter the Garden, you and your wives, you will be made glad. There will be brought round for them trays of gold and goblets, and therein is all that the souls desire and eyes find sweet and you will stay there forever. This is the garden, which you are made to inherit because of what you used to do. Therein for you is fruit in plenty whence to eat." (Az-Zukhruf 43 70-73)
Remember, that life in Jannah will be nothing like life here in this world. It is a different world that has nothing in common with this world except names only; the realities of things are completely different.
Pleasures and feelings that we experience here in this life will be experienced in a different and much better and purer way. We will eat and drink but there will be no filth or dirt. Our bodies will not excrete wastes nor will we grow old. And not only our physical bodies, but our psychology and nature will be different also.?And We shall remove from their breasts any (mutual) hatred or sense of injury...." (Surah al-A?raaf43)
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Where is the exclusion of women?
Here is sunni belief (thank you afridi220)
http//www.slate.com/id/2160963/
That is what Suni and Shia saying because there were no other verses that can cacel what they say, eccept if Male Soul and Female Soul become united in one Body (as Adam and His wife before).
Peace to all,
I dont know belal, but why do you keep saying "he" when you talk about God, is God a male
?Kurt
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Why! Nobody can Imagin what God is eccept from Quran; and God when speaking about himself says "Hoa" (He) and NOT "Hea" (She).
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Note that Surah Rahman first mentions all other rewards such as gardens, flowing springs, fruits, carpets etc. first and then, at the very end, makes a mention of the hoors.
And that is what driving me to believe that we (Male and Female Souls) will be united in one Body.
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Peace to all,
I dont know belal, but why do you keep saying "he" when you talk about God, is God a male
?Kurt
Kurt, may be there are not gramatical genders in English (roughly) it sounds weird. It sounds weird to me in English. However, in those languages in which there are gramatical genders, the fact that something is masculine or feminine grammatically does not convey the feeling that something is male or female. Such is the case in Arabic.
I think, though that in English God is also referred to as masculine person...
Salaam
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... I struggle that somebody would still cling to this need to make Paradise a second earth where we can sort of compensate for all the "wishes" we cannot fulfill on earth because we are afraid to sin, but which by some miracle will not be sin in Paradise. If that is what one wants, why not go after it here. What makes you think that wanting big boobs here may be not right and that it will be right in Paradise?
Hear hear. bravo
But you answer creates another questionWhy was there never a fatwa against those who disgraced islam by promising young people 72 virgins in heaven if they would be so kind/deluded as to blow themselves up 'in the name of Allah'??
From your enlightened point of view, doesn't brain washing and persuading innocent youth to kill themselves this way amount to murder?I am afraid you represent only part of the islam, choosing to call the lagging rest of it 'not islam'.
A bit offensive, others do their best as I am sure you do, and who says you have got it all right?
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Nobody can Imagin what God is eccept from Quran; and God when speaking about himself says "Hoa" (He) and NOT "Hea" (She).
Illusion.you may 'imagine ' what god is but have to accept that it is just that, imagination/fantasy.
Nothing, not even a holy book, let alone 'only the quran', can give you anything more than that, except by the grace of the highest himself an inner experience of him.
Such inner receiving is less likely for those who are still engaged in seeking god in the outer sensory world, especially the bibliolatrists.Wherever you find texts speaking only of 'hoa' leaving out 'hea' , rest assured that male dominance is the cause of that, not divine perfection
God unmanifested polarized him/her/it in masculine/mind/creative impulse and feminine/spirit/sustaining-receiving impulse, leading to a 3rd aspect, the combination of the two. That's what is called the son of (mind/spirit) god, known as manifest creation, the physical omniverse.
This son did the same a level 'lower' , who's son 'did it again' a level lower yet.
It is this 3rd level son that created our universe.
Funny, nobody can exist other than as an expression of this trinity, yet the many gender-thinking sheeple have been instructed to deny its reality!!!
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