a HOT Question, Please I need every body help in a SOUL Question?
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Peace Belal,
Let us start with Fujuraha.
The root word is "Fajer", which mean "burst". Please note how the root word are being used in 17-90 & 91, 18-33, 36-34, 54-12, 17-91, 76-6, 82-3, 2-74, 2-60.
Thus, Fujur the Nafs is the state where Nefs feels like it is about to burst out of the body.If you think it means "burst" then just translate it as "burst" not as "stressed". Those two words are not synonyms. On the other hand, the term "burst" is very close to "unrestrained" as I translated it.
Here how negative feeling should be explained
Humans become stressed when experiencing negative emotions?unwanted feelings. For examples, they have fear feelings when experiencing dangerous situations; sad feelings when experiencing the death of loved ones; angry feelings when discovering that someone misled them; and stressed feelings when failing to achieve a certain goal. It can be noted that each experienced situation, which leads to negative emotions, is different from one another, and therefore, humans name the associated negative emotions differently (e.g., anger, sadness, stress, anxiety); but all are unwanted and un-welcomed situations that humans try not to experience due to its negative feelings.
The following is a quotation from a study that was published in the Society For Neuroscience (2005)
When we experience a stressful situation, our stress system activates a slew of biological mechanisms that boost our strength and energy, among other functions, to help us cope. Accumulating research, however, indicates that perpetual or intense stress sometimes may harm the brain and its function. Such findings are leading to a better understanding of how environmental factors can influence the brain.
The article also indicates that the research reveals relationships between the level of stress that a human experience from a traumatic event and some psychological disorder, such as post-traumatic stress disorder. Moreover, when humans face a high level of stress, their stress system can be over-activated, which can affect the function and the production of the negative brain monoamines, leading to harm in many ways.The above research is deficient and completely lacking. It ignores many aspects that we can verify in ourselves. For example, it ignores that stress can often be a positive thing and not a negative thing. For instance, stress occurs in situations when we see that our view of the world doesn?t match with reality. This is probably the source of the saying ?ignorance is bliss? since one is less likely to experience stress if they remain ignorant. All successful people have had stress and had to deal with stressful situations. In fact, without stress, life would be pretty dull. Thus, rich spoiled kids who grow up not experiencing much stress (say like a Paris Hilton) are not likely to be happier than someone who has had a stressful and more challenging life and worked hard to get to where they are at.
And that is how God made the Fujur of Nafs.
The research that you quote above to understand ?how God made the Fujur of Nafs? exemplifies the type of deficiencies for which you were criticizing existing theories so I am surprised that you turn around and rely on it without any critical analysis. On the other hand, much better and more complete understanding can be found in the great reading. You really ought to use the great reading to assess such ideas instead of using such deficient research to force certain interpretations on the great reading.
The word Takowaha root word is "Yaky" which means shield. In all Quran, it was used to imply such a meaning. Thus, takwa the Nefs is state where Nafs is shield from being harmed (from the negative emotion); and when in the state of Takwa, the Soul is in the Comfort Zone (in the state of relaxation).
But one can?t control or shield the self from all the examples that you mentioned (the death of loved ones; discovering that someone misled them; and failing to achieve a certain goal). Also, one can try to shield himself, for example, from the stress (or as you say negative emotion) of failing to achieve a certain goal by not making goals and try to achieve them in the first place. Surely, this isn?t ?taqwa? and it doesn?t promote a healthy and productive self. Another example is drugs and alcohol which induce a relaxation and happy feelings. So the self is in a state of relaxation while on those substances. Surely this is not ?taqwa?.
In fact, I would venture to say that ?taqwa? is about the exact opposite of what you are talking about. It is about forgoing instant comfort and relaxation for the sake of a future higher goal.
When we try to fulfill any need, we have to pay the cost. The cost is the negative emotion that we need to pay in order to fulfill the need; and when we fulfill the need, we get our ultimate reward--the positive emotion.
Can you note that is what drives Nefs, the Positive and the Negative emotions.But letting emotions drive the self doesn?t lead to a healthy self. So I am sorry but the research that you are quoting is severely flawed and it may attempt to explain the lowest forms of human animalistic behaviors but it doesn?t explain anything about what makes humans who they are.
Let me give you some Scientific explanation of what goes in our brain
According to Hamer (2004), Edelman (1992) concluded the following to be the scientific explanations of human consciousness
His theory starts by describing the human brain and its parts. He divides the brain into two different nervous systems. The first is the thalamus system, which is located within the center of the brains. The thalamus acts as the final stop for all the information that is collected by human senses from the outside world. The thalamus outputs are then sent to the cortex. The cortex system is the outer part of the brain that carries the function of memory, planning, control of movement, and perception. The second system is the limbic-brain stem system, which is the connector between the body and the brain. The stem system carries the functions of emotional responses and memory; also, it lets the brain know what is going on in the body parts in order to adjust to any condition (such as raising the body temperature when humans have a flu virus in their system, or signaling the hunger feeling when the body needs food).
His theory indicates that the communication that goes on between the two systems is what defines human consciousness. In other words, when humans see an object, the thalamus system communicates the scene to the stem system, which produces an emotion regarding such a scene. The limbic stem system is about emotions, and the thalamus is about scenes. The outputs of the limbic system are the good and bad monoamines that make humans feel happy or sad.But this same exact analysis can be made about a robot that uses sensors to sense his environment and reacts accordingly based on negative and positive programmed objectives. Surely, the robot doesn?t have ?consciousness?. None of the above points is what makes humans special. Therefore, it cannot be the explanation of ?human consciousness?.
?The reaction in both sets of brains was intense. The brains reflexively sought to fulfill desires or avoid humiliation ?. These words were said by Quartz (Hotz, R. 2005), a director of a social cognitive neuroscience laboratory, when witnessing a group of volunteers? brains using scanning equipment. His study was conducted to understand the effect of different brands in humans? brains.
(Hotz R., (February 27, 2005). Searching For The Why Of Buy, Researchers scan for insight into how marketing may brand the brain's preference for products and politicians. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved February 04, 2006, from http//www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-brain27feb27,0,3899978.story?coll=la-home-headlines)But if shopping is about seeking to ?fulfill desires or avoid humiliation? then everyone would be a compulsive shopper and the most prestigious brands would win out. Why do we put the brakes on shopping even when we can afford it? Also, this doesn?t explain spending money on things that don?t allow you to ?fulfill desires or avoid humiliation? such as spending secretly on charity.
Yes, the Self is guided by the physical emotions (the brain hermons)
I would say that the self is influenced by the physical emotions (the brain hormones) but is not guided by it. In fact, if the self lets the emotions and hormones take over, it would be lost, not guided.
The energy that keep us alive is not Physically measurable; in other words, the body of dead person would have the same wight when was alive.
This is true of all physical energy. Your body doesn?t weigh more when emanating physically measurable brain waves.
No one can deny that the Ruh is what make our body alive (the Quran says that)
Where does it say that? Please quote the appropriate passage.
No, when sleep the body is alive (because of ruh) but the Soul is Dead.
I am not sure if it is because of the ?ruh? because this is true of all animals. It is nothing special for humans.
When God said
It was We who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (50-16)
Do you think that is a hint for the Ruh?Not necessarily. The god is everywhere so he is close to everything.
Ayman, when saying will never, you are stating the Ultimate Fact without a guidence from Quran. God never said that he would not reaveal such knowledege to whom he pleases.
When I say ?never?, I meant in this worldly life. Sure, in the ending our true nature would become clear to everyone.
Yes, there is one that is proven in the Quran (Chapter 91).
But you are forcing an interpretation of Chapter 91 based on an utterly ?un-quranic? theory that reduces humans to sensory animals.
As far as Pair, do not forget that God gave you a name that implies a Pair of human--Insan (Ins + an).
The ?an? is not always for dual. For example, ?sultan? is not two ?sult? and ?7iyawan? (animal) is not two animals. It is simply an intensified form to which the dual is added. So when you want to say "two humans" you would say "insanayn". I am surprised that you don't know this and that no one has corrected you so far.
Well, I will let others reflect in your and my understanding, which are completly different.
I think that the main issue is not about our understanding being different. It is fine to be different. The main issue is about which understanding is more in line with the reality that we can observe in ourselves and that is described in the great reading.
You are saying that the self is the true me...OK.
This is not something I am just saying or claiming. The self is by definition the real you. This is the most basic definition of the self. If not, then how would you define it?
Then you are saying if I cover it, then I'm covering the Truth...
The real you by definition is the true you since ?true? and ?real? are synonyms. Humans don?t create truth. Reality is the truth that exists with or without humankind. They can only be aligned with existing truth. Humans create falsehood in their imagination which covers truth.
How about if yourself has an evil habit; based on your opinion, I should show that part. Is this what did you mean?
You have to ask yourself why do you have an evil habit. What makes you do something evil? Do you do evil because of truth or because of falsehood? If you do evil because of falsehood then where does this falsehood come from?
Please, show me the Root word meaning of "Fager" and "Taka", which means what you said.
FGR means explode or come out in an unrestrained fashion. So as I said, when it is in the context of human behavior, it would be referring to unrestrained behavior.
?TQY? means shield from a future harm. So in the context of human behavior it involves forethought to protect from a future outcome not a physical shield. I am perfectly OK with translating it as ?shield from future harm? if you want.
Now it is your turn. Please show the root meaning of FGR which means stress and the root of TQY which means relaxation or whatever meaning you are making up.
Do you mean everybody should follow his inspired instincts and not cover it? So, do you mean I should run arround and have Sex and not cover and control such inspired Instinct?
Unless you are not a sane person, if you do this, you would be covering and doing the opposite of your inspired instincts.
Ayman, your understanding is falling a part; please rethink it again.
I only asked a simple question that you couldn?t answer based on your theory because it is incoherent. If you disagree then please answer it. Here it is again
Where does falsehood come from?
Yes, if the two things are different from each other; but the Male Soul is not different from the Female Soul, were they were one Soul before?
Ayman, ignor the Physical Barrier that exist in this life--the Body.You are too focused on the superficial gender. I never mentioned gender. Please ignore the sex of the self.
Ayman, if I give you Eight halfs of Apple, that were four apples before, and tell you Zwaj them; what is the result?
The result is certainly not one apple as you imagine. The result even if you can surgically attach the apple would be four apples.
May be they are not Joined yet, and will be joined when entring Heaven or Hellfire? Maybe, God will call each two joined Souls "Zwaj" or keep our name "Insan", which means two Ins (Ins + an= Two Ins).
The passage that I quoted is clear. If you want to discuss based on the great reading then you have to quote something to support the above statements, otherwise it is just pure conjecture. If you don?t know and keep saying ?maybe? then it is better to say ?I don?t know? and study more before making a conclusion.
How? and what is your proof? The other verse supports the Pairing (81-7), which means two and not billions of Nafs.
In addition to the passages that I already showed you and which you could not reconcile with your understanding of 817, please see 21104, 694, 1848 and many others.
Why did you drop the Witness and made the driver a witness as well?
I didn?t drop anything. Can?t someone be a witness and a driver at the same time?
When you say in Arabic ?Ana nagih wa sa3eed? (I am successful and happy), does this mean you are two people?
Peace,
Ayman
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You are interpreting everything as such, but that is your interpretation which is not warranted by the Quran.
Peace, Now I have time to answer;
which statment I made is not in Quran, and I will take back.Where is the mention of kids for males in the Quran in Paradise?
I will do the translation of Chapter 52, verse 20 and then verse 24
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They will recline on arranged Thrones; and We paired (Zwajnahom) them with Hoor Elain (20)
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Around them, their boys will walk, whom are like preserved pearls (24)Kids and wives from Hoor Elain are the reward for all the believers. Now is that a reward for Male or Female?
If you are a Female, are you satisfied with this reward? or you think God forgot to mention your reward? or did God said that the Quran has every information we need?Where is the exclusion of women?
That is what I asked
And if such a reward is for a male believer, what is the reward for a Female believer?
Why God never spoke about the reward of the Female believer?
These are question about the Quran and not my opinion;
Where do you leave all the meanings meaning of both sexes which are in the quran and which you seem to be choosing to ignore?
Show me a Female prize that is mentioned as God did with Males when mentioning Hoor Elain; And do not tell me that Hoor are not for the believers to enjoy or you will be disblieving Quranic Verses (2-25, 3-15, 4-57, 44-54, 52-20, 36-56,)
Why do you interpret that the ghulam are meant for males and not females?
OK; Kids can be for both.
Where do you leave the fact that the Quran is speaking in images? Why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that God is trying to convey to our limited understanding some of the "feeling" of paradise which is beyonf our grasp by using images of beauty, of fulfillment, of purity, of peace?
Now you are making statment that is not in Quran; God speaks straight forward so we do not get misled by others.
Why everything in you mind turns into sex?
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You are a Female, are you? rotfl that is a famous female statment;
Ok; Sex is what god created for us in this life, why should we hate Sex? If Sex is Bad why God creat it? Do you know that when human perform Sex, they get rewarded by a huge dose of hermons that no other activty can equal it.Belalhamd, there is no breeding in Paradise. Earth is not Paradise. Why are you so much bent on turning paradise into a parody of earth? Why don't you understand that to the image of the female or the young are attached meanings of beauty and purity and humility and that that is the image with which our Rabb conveys something He wishes us to envision?
If you are a Female, would you enjoy envisioning Beatful Females?
I am not telling you anything more about this. I find it so obvious that I struggle that somebody would still cling to this need to make Paradise a second earth where we can sort of compensate for all the "wishes" we cannot fulfill on earth because we are afraid to sin, but which by some miracle will not be sin in Paradise. If that is what one wants, why not go after it here. What makes you think that wanting big boobs here may be not right and that it will be right in Paradise?
Yes I'm affraied to have illegal Sex because I respect God's order. And I do Look forward for Paradise (you read my mind, Good Job rotfl)
Peace
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Peace Belal,
If you think it means "burst" then just translate it as "burst" not as "stressed". Those two words are not synonyms. On the other hand, the term "burst" is very close to "unrestrained" as I translated it.
Peace every one and Ayman
Fojour the Nefs is the state where the Nafs feels that it will explode (burst); Choose for me an English word that would describe such a meaning, and I will use it.The above research is deficient and completely lacking. It ignores many aspects that we can verify in ourselves. For example, it ignores that stress can often be a positive thing and not a negative thing.
Ayman, you are right about that, not only negative emotion is positive thing in our life, but also is needed in order to survive (there is a research that proves that many psychological disorder diseases is caused do to the lack of negative Harmon?Sortenen).
The research I'm qouating from answers all your Questions in a way that will agree to what you say; this rearch is more that 300 page, and I will go over it step by step as followNegative emotion is what drives you to fulfill the deficient need;
We eat in order to minimize the negative feeling of huger, we go to the bath room in order to escape from the negative emotion, we drink in order to escape from the negative emotions; and that is the bodily needs; and when succeeding in fulfilling such deficient needs, we get the reward of positive emotions (do you recall the good feeling you get when breaking your fast in Ramadan).
Thus, when speaking about what drive humans to fulfill their body needs, I can say is because of the negative emotions that are not welcomed by their Souls. Do you know why baby cries when hungry, thirsty, or has stomach ache? Is because of the negative emotion in his system due to his deficient needs.Now pay more close attention to the following
The body needs are governed by its ability to realize when the need is deficient. Maslow (1943) confirmed the homeostasis concept (Young, 1936), which we also believe is what governs the body?s needs. Also, it is known scientifically that the bad emotions will be produced when the body is in need of food or any other elements, and the good emotions will be produced, only if the fulfillment occurs.Ayman; All humans are the same when it comes to their physical needs; all of them will have the negative emotions when threatened by huger or thirst or disease or earthquake, and all of them will have positive emotions when they fulfill the deficient needs or prevent the occurring harm. (That is 10% of the allege Theory)
Do you agree or not to the above? (when you answer I will go over the Psychological Part of us)peace
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Peace, Now I have time to answer;
which statment I made is not in Quran, and I will take back.I will do the translation of Chapter 52, verse 20 and then verse 24
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They will recline on arranged Thrones; and We paired (Zwajnahom) them with Hoor Elain (20)
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Around them, their boys will walk, whom are like preserved pearls (24)Kids and wives from Hoor Elain are the reward for all the believers. Now is that a reward for Male or Female?
Salaam belal
You do not have to be a linguist to answer your own question. In fact, you do not even have to kno Arabic or its rules/grmmar to understand it. All you need are these verses
6610 "Allah sets an example for those who disbelieve the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot.....6611 And Allah has set forth an example for those who believe the wife of Pharoh ......6612 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran...."
God gives an example, not of one female, but two, and non of males, although all four women are linked to them in a way or another. I understand this as if God is telling us that He did not forget the men, but that one day men will think that it's all about about them. In fact,with a little logic, the most fundamental mysogenist should understand that whenever there's mention of "mu'mineen or/and kafireen, there are at least two women amnogst them.
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Peace "belalhammad",
1st it is known that the term "hoor" is gender neutral and can refer to both male and female. BUT what concerns me is that i got from some parts of your posts above the impression that women dont have any reward mentioned for them in Paradise. Is that so? Do you believe that? If yes what does this mean to you? Does it mean women are inferior or theyr just not as important as men? What does it tell you? GOD Bless! -
Peace "belalhammad",
BUT what concerns me is that i got from some parts of your posts above the impression that women dont have any reward mentioned for them in Paradise. Is that so? Do you believe that? If yes what does this mean to you? Does it mean women are inferior or theyr just not as important as men? What does it tell you? GOD Bless!Peace JK;
Of course not; Women and Man will have an equal punshment or reward.
if you read my first post you will understand what I'm trying to convy.Peace
My conclusion to the next topic is a guess and not truth (from Quran). Thus, it could be wrong.
The following verses show the Female was created from the Male Soul (Adam) for the Earthy-Lifes purposes of mating (human production) and dwelling in tranquility with them.
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O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single Soul; and from it (the Soul) He created his mate; and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; fear Allah, through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.` (4-1)
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And among His Signs is that He created for you mates from your Souls, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts); verily in that are Signs for those who reflect. (30-21)
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And Allah has made for you mates of your own Souls. And made for you out of them, sons and daughters and grandchildren, and provided for you sustenance of the best will they then believe in vain things, and be ungrateful for Allah's favors?(16-72)
Now in the Judgment Day, the following will happened
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And when the souls are joined (81-7)Can I conclude that Humans will not be Male and Female but one Complete Soul (not missing the Female Part or the Male Part) as was created in the beginning (the Creation of Adam Single Soul).
If this is true, can we say that When God explained that Heaven In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (55-56) is because Humans (Male or Female) will be.Males.Please be easy on me &, as I said this conclusion is not from God but from my understanding of Quran verses.
Peace
Peace every one,
I found a Straightfrward verse that says that we will be resurrected as we were created, SINGLE SOUL
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And your creation or your resurrection is in no wise but as an Single soul for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (31-2
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Here are more verses(
"And behold! ye come to Us Singls as We created you for the first time Ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!" (6-94)(
And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, "Now have ye come to Us as We created you first aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet (Us)!" (18-4(
The Day that we roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books even as We produced the first Creation, so shall We return them (as they were before) a promise We have undertaken truly shall We fulfil it. (21-104)(
!What do you Think,
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Peace "huruf",
You said
As males and females in Paradise... is there any hint at all in the Truthful Quraan that there will be bredding in Paradise? Because that(breeding) is the point of having males and females, otherwise...
JK- Ive heard this claim from numerous people all over the world and i have to DISAGREE. Sexual relationships and desires cannot only be for producing children. Theres alot more to it since we can remove parts of the reproductive system and till maintain sexual desires. I have a hypothesis that sex in humans can help the couple transfer information better from one to another then they could whilst being with their own sex and just talking. They could become like one brain or two parallel processors working on different aspects of the same task thus leading to quicker results. GOD Bless!
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Peace "belalhammad",
I get what you say but i believe thereve been good answers to your assertion as well. ALSO your view would still be degrading to the females on this earth who would not want to be males from their relative perspective. They like their being women alot so this is no way to make them feel better saying theyd all turn into males just like us and then enjoy hoor whom you assume to be females only. GOD Bless! -
Salaam belal
You do not have to be a linguist to answer your own question. In fact, you do not even have to kno Arabic or its rules/grmmar to understand it. All you need are these verses
6610 "Allah sets an example for those who disbelieve the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot.....6611 And Allah has set forth an example for those who believe the wife of Pharoh ......6612 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran...."
God gives an example, not of one female, but two, and non of males, although all four women are linked to them in a way or another. I understand this as if God is telling us that He did not forget the men, but that one day men will think that it's all about about them. In fact,with a little logic, the most fundamental mysogenist should understand that whenever there's mention of "mu'mineen or/and kafireen, there are at least two women amnogst them.
Peace Samia;
I hope you did not think as Jk did in his post.
if so, please read my reply to him.
if you ment some thing else, please let me know.
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Peace "belalhammad",
I get what you say but i believe thereve been good answers to your assertion as well. ALSO your view would still be degrading to the females on this earth who would not want to be males from their relative perspective. They like their being women alot so this is no way to make them feel better saying theyd all turn into males just like us and then enjoy hoor whom you assume to be females only. GOD Bless!Peace JK.
you know me, I did not mean that. The question of Female reward in Jana has been making people underestmating God's Justice.
But when God says that Male Soul and Female soul will become Single Soul as were created, then the picture is Clear.
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Peace "huruf",
You said
JK- Ive heard this claim from numerous people all over the world and i have to DISAGREE. Sexual relationships and desires cannot only be for producing children. Theres alot more to it since we can remove parts of the reproductive system and till maintain sexual desires. I have a hypothesis that sex in humans can help the couple transfer information better from one to another then they could whilst being with their own sex and just talking. They could become like one brain or two parallel processors working on different aspects of the same task thus leading to quicker results. GOD Bless!
Wrong, when Men's testes or Women's ovaries are removed we lose sexual desire. We CANNOT maintain any sexual desires. It comes solely from the testes/ovaries. Its called being sterile. Ever heard of Eunuchs? Why do you think God refers to them in the Qur'an (2431)? I believe sex is superficial exercise (holds no spiritual link), it is another way to express love, but it is also a pleasure seeking device. It is the link with that person that transcends physical desire that is spiritual and outlasting. Which is why I believe we may lose the necessity for our genetalia in the second life. But there may be in the second life other forms of closeness that are much more blissful that we have no comprehension of. Sex is first and foremost by the laws of nature (preservation of the species) for producing offspring, but that is not all..
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The research that you quote above to understand ?how God made the Fujur of Nafs? exemplifies the type of deficiencies for which you were criticizing existing theories so I am surprised that you turn around and rely on it without any critical analysis. On the other hand, much better and more complete understanding can be found in the great reading. You really ought to use the great reading to assess such ideas instead of using such deficient research to force certain interpretations on the great reading.
Peace,
Can you wait untill you know the entire Theory, before Judging.But one can?t control or shield the self from all the examples that you mentioned (the death of loved ones; discovering that someone misled them; and failing to achieve a certain goal). Also, one can try to shield himself, for example, from the stress (or as you say negative emotion) of failing to achieve a certain goal by not making goals and try to achieve them in the first place. Surely, this isn?t ?taqwa? and it doesn?t promote a healthy and productive self. Another example is drugs and alcohol which induce a relaxation and happy feelings. So the self is in a state of relaxation while on those substances. Surely this is not ?taqwa?.
Please note that God ask us to be Patient when things like these happens, because He knew that our Soul will be in the State of Suffereing.
As far as drugs, why do you think people get addicted to it; is it because of the feeling that they get when used? Do you think most of the people who use the drugs are because of either minumize their stress (Shelding the Soul from Pain) or to gain relaxtion .
When people do that, they are Sining; As you know God porhibted many things that humans would love to do, such as Zina or drinking, and when we obey, we are purifying our Souls (Zaka the Nafs, and not live like animals who seek pleasure all time).In fact, I would venture to say that ?taqwa? is about the exact opposite of what you are talking about. It is about forgoing instant comfort and relaxation for the sake of a future higher goal.
When people do that they become animals; they want to be relaxed all the time by fulfilling their needs using legal or illegal ways in order to shield their Souls from the pain of not fullfilling their needs (Physical or Psychological); they do not want to pay the cost (the pain of working or stduing hard).
But letting emotions drive the self doesn?t lead to a healthy self. So I am sorry but the research that you are quoting is severely flawed and it may attempt to explain the lowest forms of human animalistic behaviors but it doesn?t explain anything about what makes humans who they are.
You are right, Emotion is only a guidence, but the Soul will choose to follow or Ignore.
Maslow theory failed because of what you say (Maslow, A. (1943), A Theory Of Human Motivation. Green, C., Classics In The History Of Psychology. York University, Toronto, Ontario. Retrieved July 15, 2005, from http//psychclassics.yorku.ca/Maslow/motivation.htmview is as follow).Please read the following to understand how the Theory answers to Maslow
Based on Maslow?s theory, a father who is very hungry and his family as well, would fulfill his need of hunger before he fulfills his children?s hunger. We do not agree with this part of the theory, due to the past observations about fathers and mothers ability to sacrifice their own body need of food, even their lives, for the well-being of their children. The love and belonging need of a mother or father toward their children is much stronger than their own safety and physiological needs. In other words, they would ignore their hunger, which is a harm to them, in order to prevent a greater valued harm that is watching their children suffer from thirst. Moreover, it is known that individuals that choose to protest by fasting until their demands are agreed upon, such as releasing political prisoners, or freeing of their country from an occupier. Other real examples in our lives have showed the sacrificing of one?s physical safety in order to save others. Examples of such individuals are firefighters, soldiers, and many others who chose to help others at the cost of their safety. Some well known events include the 9/11 tragedy, when some people ran for their lives and others chose to stay and help others; hurricane Katrina in 2005, when some people fled, and others stayed to help save others. Such events taught us that human behaviors vary.
Thus, we can note from the previous examples that such needs are considered non-bodily needs chosen over physiological needs of thirst, hunger, and safety. Such people, in Maslow?s opinion, are not normal, but we do not agree. One of the reasons, we think, that made Maslow accept such a conclusion is his rejection of Freud?s belief in the human mind that controls and regulates the bodily and psychological needs, and the priorities of their fulfillments. We believe that humans have the ability to ignore their bodily harms in order to stop greater psychological harm or fulfill greater psychological need.I would say that the self is influenced by the physical emotions (the brain hormones) but is not guided by it. In fact, if the self lets the emotions and hormones take over, it would be lost, not guided.
You are right, as I explained above.
Where does it say that? Please quote the appropriate passage.
32-9, 15-29, 15-29 shows how God created first Human by his Spirit. (I believe that this life has been transfered to his wife and kids, and from his kids to their's, and so on untill today.
I am not sure if it is because of the ?ruh? because this is true of all animals. It is nothing special for humans.
The Ruh is for life in General. Humans and Animals are different when humans purify their Souls, otherwise, they are like animals or less (7-179, 25-44, 47-12)
Not necessarily. The god is everywhere so he is close to everything.
Sure; I see you can agree in this one.
When I say ?never?, I meant in this worldly life. Sure, in the ending our true nature would become clear to everyone.
Where is your proof to this statement from Quran.
The ?an? is not always for dual. For example, ?sultan? is not two ?sult? and ?7iyawan? (animal) is not two animals. It is simply an intensified form to which the dual is added. So when you want to say "two humans" you would say "insanayn". I am surprised that you don't know this and that no one has corrected you so far.
Sultan if devided to Sult + an, Sult does not become a name, thus, it is not as Ins + an. The rull is when the "an" is sperated, the name would have to have a meaning. (the same for hiyawan).
I think that the main issue is not about our understanding being different. It is fine to be different. The main issue is about which understanding is more in line with the reality that we can observe in ourselves and that is described in the great reading.
Agree; but please do not lose hope that we can agree at the end.
This is not something I am just saying or claiming. The self is by definition the real you. This is the most basic definition of the self. If not, then how would you define it?
The real you by definition is the true you since ?true? and ?real? are synonyms. Humans don?t create truth. Reality is the truth that exists with or without humankind. They can only be aligned with existing truth. Humans create falsehood in their imagination which covers truth.Agree
I am perfectly OK with translating it as ?shield from future harm? if you want.
Sure, I agree. But the harm of the Soul is the negative emotion.
I only asked a simple question that you couldn?t answer based on your theory because it is incoherent. If you disagree then please answer it. Here it is again
Where does falsehood come from?
Falsehood is when our choice is oppsite of Good's guidence.
Thus, if we program our Brain based on God's Guidence, we are purfying our Souls; and we will have relaxtion when obying and Stress when disobying.
(this is the other part of the theory that I want to convy)The result is certainly not one apple as you imagine. The result even if you can surgically attach the apple would be four apples.
Yes, they will be Four Apple; thus, you paired each two halfs (two Souls) into one apple (one Soul).
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Peace "huruf",
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JK- Ive heard this claim from numerous people all over the world and i have to DISAGREE. Sexual relationships and desires cannot only be for producing children. Theres alot more to it since we can remove parts of the reproductive system and till maintain sexual desires. I have a hypothesis that sex in humans can help the couple transfer information better from one to another then they could whilst being with their own sex and just talking. They could become like one brain or two parallel processors working on different aspects of the same task thus leading to quicker results. GOD Bless!
I think that it is the function in the reproduction of species what determines whether an individual is male or female. If there is no breeding function, then whatever else is there might be called drive, pull, attraction, enjoyable, irresistible, rewarding, enticing, communicating... anything you like, but not female or male. I don't want to go off on another track, but think that even without individuals being of opposite sex they may feel pulled, attracted, etc. etc. Whether that kind of drive or urges are felt in Paradise is another question. I think there may be something that in some way reminds of the sexual urge, but not that thing, but something deeper which may recall that other thing but in another order of things. But anything we think would come from our own personal ability to feel deeply, and may God will that we find out. What is sure is that we will not be disappointed and that it will be pure and appeasing.
Salaam
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I think that it is the function in the reproduction of species what determines whether an individual is male or female. If there is no breeding function, then whatever else is there might be called drive, pull, attraction, enjoyable, irresistible, rewarding, enticing, communicating... anything you like, but not female or male. I don't want to go off on another track, but think that even without individuals being of opposite sex they may feel pulled, attracted, etc. etc. Whether that kind of drive or urges are felt in Paradise is another question. I think there may be something that in some way reminds of the sexual urge, but not that thing, but something deeper which may recall that other thing but in another order of things. But anything we think would come from our own personal ability to feel deeply, and may God will that we find out. What is sure is that we will not be disappointed and that it will be pure and appeasing.
Salaam
My believe in why God created Sex to have the atmost reward is
God wanted humans to produce offspring; and in order to make them do that, God made a huge reward for the Nafs (the reward of positive emotions) when performing Sex.
Now if Sex did not have such a drive, as Fasting or praying, How many people would have chose to have kids.Here is a Quote from the Human behavioral research that I'm debating with Aymen, regarding Sex
The need for sex arises when humans grow to a certain age (puberty). Such a need is fulfilled in the majority of people by having relations with the opposite sex. In other words, a male needs a female to fulfill such a need. However, such a need can be fulfilled by other different ways which are prohibited by some cultures and religions. A physical need such as sex is not important to our body survival; in other words, some people choose to abandon such a need for psychological reasons; Example, the church priests give up the sex need in order to serve the church.
Please note that God gave us guidences of how to control such drive (e.g., you cann't have Sex with your mother or father or the same gender)
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Peace "soof",
Wrong, when Men's testes or Women's ovaries are removed we lose sexual desire. We CANNOT maintain any sexual desires. It comes solely from the testes/ovaries. Its called being sterile. Ever heard of Eunuchs?
JK- I CLEARLY SAID IF WE REMOVE PART of our reproductive system and not the entire testes or ovaries. One can for example remove the sperm line in men or just one testicle which would still enable one to retain sexual desire. Infact men who dont wanna have children anymore do get such a surgery and they remain fully man. In the woman one can remove her child bearing mechanism after which she can no longer have children but is still fully capable of being a woman and feeling like one. Infact some women who have cancer in that area need to have such surgeries and it does not disturb there sexual lives. The system which produces the sex hormones required for sexual desire remain.
Why do you think God refers to them in the Qur'an (2431)? I believe sex is superficial exercise (holds no spiritual link), it is another way to express love, but it is also a pleasure seeking device.
JK- What a load of BS. Sex is a wonderful part of life and if you wanna argue that pleasure is something non spiritual what do you think so called spiritual contact doesnt give pleasure? If it didnt nobody would be seeking it. Also yes sexuality can be, but also not necessarily, a form of love if combined with other feelings CONTROLLED BY OTHER VARIOUS HORMONES IN THE BODY. All types of love are controlled by various types of hormones which stimulate different parts of the brain. Thats why people who get brain damage or are injected with certain chemicals might become more aggressive, stop caring or even lose the feeling we term as love entirely. Hence to say sexual desire is something bad or inferior and only reduced to child birth is ridiculous.
It is the link with that person that transcends physical desire that is spiritual and outlasting. Which is why I believe we may lose the necessity for our genetalia in the second life. But there may be in the second life other forms of closeness that are much more blissful that we have no comprehension of. Sex is first and foremost by the laws of nature (preservation of the species) for producing offspring, but that is not all..
JK- The feeling of sex is awesome so why should we lose it? Your not making any sense except that youre probably into some religious dogma which teaches that sexuality is something ultimately undesirable which i clearly said it is not.
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Peace "belalhammad", "huroof" and all,
If GOD just wanted to make humans have children He couldve just as well introduced parthenogenesis(http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis) in all. No need for male and female. As i said theres more to it than just bearing children. GOD Bless! -
Peace "belalhammad", "huroof" and all,
If GOD just wanted to make humans have children He couldve just as well introduced parthenogenesis(http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis) in all. No need for male and female. As i said theres more to it than just bearing children. GOD Bless!Peace,
There are too much to debate in this, but if you want to continue, you should start a new thread and make that thread focus in the main topic.
For the purpose of the main thread, I agree that humans perform Sex due to their seeking of the positive emotions that comfort their Soul.
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My opinion of you has gone down Jonny_K, I'm actually astounded at your prejudice. (your final comment). If I present my opinion or a dispute on something, I'm called part of a cult/religious dogma and I'm talking BS? What kind of a muslim forum is this? Oh.... right It is a forum first...therefore people can be completely insulting and insensitve because they are behind a keyboard. I hope for your sake you are not like this in real life.
JK- I CLEARLY SAID IF WE REMOVE PART of our reproductive system and not the entire testes or ovaries. One can for example remove the sperm line in men or just one testicle which would still enable one to retain sexual desire. Infact men who dont wanna have children anymore do get such a surgery and they remain fully man. In the woman one can remove her child bearing mechanism after which she can no longer have children but is still fully capable of being a woman and feeling like one. Infact some women who have cancer in that area need to have such surgeries and it does not disturb there sexual lives. The system which produces the sex hormones required for sexual desire remain.
Ok calm down.
I did not say that when we lose our balls or our ovaries in entirety we lose our manhood and womanhood. I said we lose our sexual desire. Which is a fact.
JK- What a load of BS. Sex is a wonderful part of life and if you wanna argue that pleasure is something non spiritual what do you think so called spiritual contact doesnt give pleasure? If it didnt nobody would be seeking it. Also yes sexuality can be, but also not necessarily, a form of love if combined with other feelings CONTROLLED BY OTHER VARIOUS HORMONES IN THE BODY. All types of love are controlled by various types of hormones which stimulate different parts of the brain. Thats why people who get brain damage or are injected with certain chemicals might become more aggressive, stop caring or even lose the feeling we term as love entirely. Hence to say sexual desire is something bad or inferior and only reduced to child birth is ridiculous.
My point was in society, all over the world, sex is seeked for non-spiritual means, that it becomes entirely superficial. Sex is not the basis of any relationship. It is the two people and the bond they have. Sex comes after, because of the bonds developed during the relationship, the emotions tied to that person, the love for that person, it becomes much more than physical. BUT it is only because of the person, that is the "spiritual" link. To wrap it up Sex is a physical act that is indeed spiritual, but ONLY with the person you love, whom should be your spouse by the guidance of God.
However in my generation, what I have previously engaged in, what my friends people all around me do, is seek SEX before the PERSON. One night stands, F-buddies et cetera. Such that it becomes a shallow activity, it merely becomes masturbating with a vagina. There's no person attached to that vagina or penis. It is then pure pleasure seeking (which is what I was referring to in my previous post), there is no sharing or caring, just "get in, get off, get out". But that is not how God intended it to be, he intended this physical act to be shared with someone whom you have a emotional and spiritual link with (your spouse) as a celebration of love, because it is sharing pleasure with your spouse, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
I did not say sex is bad, inferior and only reduced to child birth. I said First and foremost sex is procreation. Because we are sentient beings with something more inside us, Sex therefore means more to us. BUT it is still first and foremost for preservation of the species. It is not ridiculous it is nature.
JK- The feeling of sex is awesome so why should we lose it? Your not making any sense except that youre probably into some religious dogma which teaches that sexuality is something ultimately undesirable which i clearly said it is not.
I was speculating on the Garden and means that we would have to link with each other that may be beyond Sex. It is not an atrocious thought. Calm Down. You could not be further from the truth. I am quite in tune with my sexual desire, I don not shut it out. But I do not have to explain my self to you, nor fit a description you have set up for me because I typed a paragraph on an insignifcant, almost slanderous forum.
Hope you understand more of where I am coming from. Next time have more respect (calling my opinion BS, being prejudice), alleged Wise One.
Peace